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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Blade CP+ Pro YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

They're not for everyone Doug. Most of us agree about their shortcomings. Not many of us have the patience to tweak'em like yours or mine (I have two). Then you have to learn to have a gentle touch on the collective or you'll piro 1/4 or more left then maybe right and be heading somewhere you didn't plan to go- FAST. They're kinda like a BL King with a loose head on crack. You know what I mean?
04-23-2008 01:06 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Agreed BOB They are not for everyone ! It just bugs me when I hear a Blanket statement like this -so and so- heli is a P.O.S when I have experienced firsthand that said statement is not true - at least for me. Whatever floats your boat is Good- Blade CP, TREX, ESKY whatever
04-23-2008 09:45 PM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

Not for everyone

I think it really depends on what kind of person you are. There is no "right" or "wrong" in this, just different. If you have patience, like a challenge and enjoy "figuring things out" then the Blade is a GREAT place to start. If you are just an "end user" and don't really care about learning the aerodynamics or mechanics of flight, this might not be the best place to begin. (and there is nothing wrong with that!)

Personally, I don't think the Blade develops "bad habits". If anything, it helps to understand the limits of what a heli can do. Sure, you will tend to overcorrect if you step straight from the Blade to a larger heli, but you will certainly understand the concept of how to fly and will have to develop a lot more finesse to keep any micro in the air. Their sensitive nature demands a lot of skill, which is not to say larger craft doesn't, but if you can figure out how to fly a micro, then larger models are MUCH easier.

I flip back and forth between a Trex 450 and the Blade. I have spent a fair amount of money learning to fly on the Blade. If I had learned on the T-rex, I'm totally convinced I would have spent at least as much, if not more, to get to where I am now. Although I've not crashed the T-rex that much (thanks in part to the Blade!) I'm here to tell you, THEY ARE NOT CHEAPER TO CRASH! As it's been pointed out in an earlier post, if you are learning on your own, it's a safe and practical way to fly.

I won't say anyone should or should not get one of these models. I think there are many that were so frustrated with them that they think NOBODY should EVER buy one. I've come to the conclusion that if someone reads, even a few, of the post like these they will have some idea of what they are getting into. I'm an advocate. But I am an adult who likes challenges like these. I really love my Blade and wouldn't give it up for anything. I hope to progress to 600 size models and feel like, when the time comes, working with the Blade will have been an effort that was worth it.

Just my $1.50 worth (0.02 adjusted for inflation!).

VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
04-23-2008 10:03 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Very well said VM
04-23-2008 10:29 PM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

VM: With the flying skills you are developing, a 600 size machine will be a breeze to fly! A 600 will seem to just hang in the air...

Happy Flying!
04-24-2008 12:59 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

vidmarv,

I guess it all depends on what you want to do with it...

My goal was to become proficient in all basic maneuvers and then learn 3D...

When I'm flying my 450 or my 600 I can focus on learning new things and the heli will do what I ask it to...The Blade had me on edge all the time...even when I went back to it after leaving it sitting for months...it just made me say "gawd this thing is a pain to fly"

Now, if all you want to do is hover it inverted for a while, or do some FFF or some basic tricks then yes, its fine, if you are spending a LOT of time on the sim learning its idiosyncracies...

but if you're serious about progressing then skipping the Blade altogether is going to get you where you want to be much faster...

as far as the price argument...the quality of the Align parts FAR exceeds the E-Flite parts, which have the lifespan of a mosquito...

E-flite mainshafts bend if you look at them sideways

ALign mainshafts can withstand a crash or two...the shafts are much thicker

Align sells them 3 in a pack for 8 bucks

Eflite sells ONE for 7 bucks, it comes with a maingear but what if the main gear is still good? Doesn't matter, you throw the whole thing out and buy another 7 dollar part...

(The Blade is NOT cheaper to fix per crash and you will be fixing it a lot more!)

There's just no comparing the quality of Align with E-flite..not even in the same ballpark...

so even if the prices were the same, E-Flite parts are still overpriced for what you get...

The thing I started noticing is that the Blade seemed to be engineered to fail. Everything about was underengineered. The tail rotor was too big and had too much pitch for that little tail motor so it burned out all the time. Thus the dual motor mod...

When the tail motor went out that meant you were buying a new mainshaft, spindle and blades just to start...you may even be buying a new battery, canopy, and blade grips or tail boom...

The crappy stock gyro was never dependable and let the tail loose all the time..fail, crash, cha-ching, E-Flite wins...

It was designed to fail...
04-24-2008 08:27 AM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Lou, Personally I don't think it was designed to fail, I think it was designed to be as light as possible. The parts probably are not as good as Aligns however the main shaft and gear which is 5.99 at my LHS bends pretty easy in a crash but at the same time it can be bent back as well, many times. I found the tail holds really well with a cheap Telebee HH gyro, even better with a direct drive motor and with a Brushless tail set-up, holds like any belt driven tail I have ever used. What-ever floats your boat I've had several different heli's and for me personally the last couple of months with the Blade have been the most FUN and LEAST expensive heli time I have ever had. Here's Kyle Stacy rockin the Blade CP pro at age 11--- he doesn't seem to be on edge to me, quite relaxed actually !
04-24-2008 11:30 AM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Quote 
My goal was to become proficient in all basic maneuvers and then learn 3D...

LouInSD: My goals were the same as yours when I started (back) into the hobby 1 year ago (Feb 07). I learned to fly in my living room, because it was winter time. Where did you learn to fly?

BTW: I am progressing very well with my personal goal. I can hover confidently in all orientations, FFF is no problem, I throw loops, rolls, flips all over the sky, and can hold an inverted hover for about 30 seconds. I am achieving my goals by myself (with the help of many people on RR ).

Along the way, I have learned a LOT about helicopters and flight.

I love this hobby. The Blade CPP was the machine that has allowed me to achieve my hobby goals, so it will always have a tender spot in my heart.

Obviously, that is not the case for you. Hopefully some other heli has the same position with you.

If you have so little interest in the BCP platform, why do you spend so much time in this forum?
04-24-2008 12:44 PM
 
 
fla heli boy
Senior Heliman
Location: cape coral, florida

hell

that's what my flights look like, just not on purpose!!
Pretty good plying for a BCP though. I'm setting mine aside for a while and let it sleep and maybe pick it up down the road just for some fun. Cuz it's driving me nuts right now.

"If it flies, floats or f***ks, you're better off renting it"
04-24-2008 01:55 PM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

Hi Louin SD

Clearly, we have different goals. I really have no interest in 3D flight. My goals are much more utilitarian. I hope to field an AP rig. I think that it's great that you are having success with your chosen path. FOR YOU, the blade was a waste of time. FOR ME, the ability to fly more often and, in small spaces, is a premium I'm willing to pay for.

I think your comparison of parts is a bit skewed. You are comparing shafts only to shafts with gears. Different animal completely. You CAN get upgrade parts for the Blade that gives you a stainless shaft... but at a price, they weigh more. The interesting thing about the Blade, which coincidentally, gives it it's indoor practicality, is that it's LIGHT! For some, this translates to "built to fail". I'm not sure how you would build something this small and this light that was not fragile. Yes, it would be more durable if it was heavier, but it would also have shorter flight times and be much more of a hazard to fly in tight spaces.

I do agree with you on one thing. If you want a micro heli that flys well, you ARE going to spend as much as a T-Rex. I think the Blade was created to fulfill the role of a low end micro heli. Problem is, many folks, like yourself, expect them to be a T-rex, which they are not. I really enjoy flying my Blade. One day I plan to get a Gaui as well, and hope they have other micro's that come out. I like that class of model. They offer so many more opportunities to fly.

The best analogy I can think of might be cars. Let's say you buy a Geo. The next day you're heading to work on the freeway and it strains to keep up. You take it back to the dealer and proclaim, "This thing is a POS, it won't even keep up with freeway driving!". The dealer will tell you, "Why didn't you tell me that's what you wanted. For 3 times as much you could have had an entry level Mustang. Now THAT would have kept up". There was nothing really wrong with the GEO, you were just asking more of it than it was capable of. If you want a SUPER STABLE heli, that will "keep up" with you as you learn to hover/FFF/3D then you will have to pay more. If you want a budget heli that will get you there, but require more attention from you, the Blade is fine.

Like I said at the beginning, I think it's great that you are having success with what you now have. I understand your opinion regarding the Blade model, I just don't agree with it. Fortunately, anyone else who reads our discussion will have the means to make up their mind for themselves. We should both be happy that we've helped out someone but sharing our opinions, different though they be. Thank you.



VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
04-24-2008 02:21 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

Like I've been saying Gentlemen, "They're not for everyone". Very good arguments have been made on both sides of the question "Is the Blade CP pro a product worth having and upgrading as a trainer and sport flyer?" I have agreed with just about every honest comment on both sides of the argument at some point in my relationship with this heli. As it turned out, I have been one the guys who decided to stick it out. No they don't do anything as well as a TREX, but there are benefits to making one fly like tutelar's or Doug's. The main benefit is that you become a better pilot when you can fly one without fear of crashing at every turn. The reason is that they are more difficult to fly so when you get your hands on a stable belt driven bird after you can fly this one, you've already learned to be easy on the cyclic and collective which is what good piloting is all about. They're still not for everyone though. Great discussion!
04-24-2008 03:17 PM
 
 
Bluesilver30
Veteran
Location: USAF Academy, CO - USA

hmm, all i have to say is, you can't fly a trex around in your kitchen safely. nothing beats doing covert missions, flying under the table and around your house, and landing on the coffee table when you want to just screw around on a windy day. they are great if you have the patience and skill to fly, but they are no large scale 3D machines. heck, a Trex sucks compared to a Raptor. its the same argument really. big size brings more stability. all are flyable however if you practice enough.

-Nick
04-24-2008 03:41 PM
 
 
leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

I don't get any joy out of flying in the house. I'd much rather be outside enjoying the beautiful weather. And the beautiful thing about a T-rex is it is strong and stable enough to take a slight breeze. I could be flying My CP Pro and just the sight of a cloud in the sky would make that thing smack the ground!
04-24-2008 04:11 PM
 
 
Bluesilver30
Veteran
Location: USAF Academy, CO - USA

erm... i love flying outside, as well as camping, hiking, and skydiving outside (which usually come before rc flying, but to each his own). buuut, the weather isn't always great, so you can either sit inside and longingly stare out the window waiting for that thunderstorm to go away, or just chill in your basement or whatever and fly a bit. what i'm saying is, micro's provide an alternative. i wouldn't fly my trex indoors where i would fly my blade (and back in the day hummingbird). the trex fills more of the slot of a larger gas chopper, it just doesn't do as good of a job.

-Nick
04-24-2008 05:11 PM
 
 
nitro_joe
Senior Heliman
Location: Totowa, NJ

My CPP sees most of its action under my carport.



Align T-Rex 600N, T-Rex 450SEv2, Blade CP Pro
04-24-2008 05:16 PM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

tutelar,

I havent been spending a lot of time in this forum, I spend most of my time at the vstabi forum now since I got the Vbar for my 600 but I saw someone talking about the Blade and I had to put in my 2 cents...

Everyone else,

I think my argument is proven by the fact that E-Flite went to a T-Rex style setup on the blade 400. And in fact the first thing the end user is doing is throwing out the stock servos and upgrading the gyro because the ones they include with it are crap.

E-Flite strikes again...

As far as Kyle Stacy's ship, yes, with a HH gyro, a DD tail and a longer flybar you can improve its flight characteristics so that it flies like that but then we're talking more money to the point where you might as well get a T-Rex...

as far as the T-Rex vs Blade for indoor flight..I would NEVER fly a Blade indoors...its too unpredictable...

Now a T-Rex 450? I can put it in any corner of the room and have it sit there as long as I want it to..then pop it over into the other corner and let it sit there as long as I want it to...pinpoint accuracy...

even my Gaui 200 flew light years better than the Blade

leave E-Flite behind and get with a real heli company..

I hear the HBK2 even flies better than the Blade...
04-24-2008 07:25 PM
 
 
Bluesilver30
Veteran
Location: USAF Academy, CO - USA

Quote 
I think my argument is proven by the fact that E-Flite went to a T-Rex style setup on the blade 400. And in fact the first thing the end user is doing is throwing out the stock servos and upgrading the gyro because the ones they include with it are crap.

well, you want to make that argument, Align simply ripped off of the modern day nitro's, specifically Raptors, when designing the 450. Don't know how different they are now, mine was just a first edition.

EFlight didn't do anything original with the Blade CP either, they simply ripped of the design of the old hummingbirds and picollos. Designs that, for their size, work great.

comparing a blade cp with a blade 400/ Trex 450 is comparing apples and oranges. they didn't "realize their mistake" in making the blade 400, they just entered another market.

and you say these things are too unpredictable to fly indoors? my years of flying indoors without incident say otherwise...

-Nick
04-24-2008 07:45 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Here's Nick Maxwell ripping it up with a pro-- stock head-- brushless motor- HH gyro and brushed GWS Direct Drive tail motor. No matter what anyone says-- to me the real proof is always in the VIDEO.
04-24-2008 10:04 PM
 
 
zaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

I fly the BladeCP indoors, very small place, used to hit stuff with it cost me a lot of money, not becuse of heli suck, because I SUCKED!! Once I got it down right one day, I can hover around the house battery after battery without any incidents. By the time it got nice outside, I was doing pretty good but I push my self and crash a lot, now its got broken frame and tail boom. I waiting for some parts to rebuild it.

If you can't even hover a bladecp indoor n/m.

heh, I hear Trex can fly really good even if you got bent spindle, bent main shaft and unbalance blades. It doesn't even need a frigging gyro!

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400
04-24-2008 11:26 PM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Like I said Dougsrc,

If you throw enough money at anything you can make it fly...

Nick would never be able to do any of those things with the stock tail setup or without the BL motor and HH gyro.

(Most newbies dont have the expertise to do those mods, not to mention the cost)

I already said my Blade (in my gallery still) flew very well..I also had enough in it to buy two T-Rexes...

I just think the BladeCP is hurting the hobby. Plenty of people have quit this hobby because they got frustrated with the Blade. These posts (like the OP) are a regular ocurrence on RR and other forums. I have seen posts where guys have taped themselves smashing the blade to pieces in frustration...

I never saw the faults of the Blade until I got a T-Rex 450.

I'm just trying to point them out for the newbie who may be entertaining the idea of getting one...

zaw, anyone CAN fly a blade indoors. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

Bluesilver, nice attempt at distraction but you still didnt disprove my argument that E-Flite uses crap equipment in their products...

They do...
04-26-2008 12:54 AM
 
 
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