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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Blade CP+ Pro YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!

fla heli boy
Senior Heliman
Location: cape coral, florida

too funny

I've had this POS for several months now and finally decided to spend some time with it. Upgraded blades and Gyro. What a worthless piece. After failing to be able to hold a solid hover for more than a few seconds, tipping it over and breaking some stuff, well lets just say I finished it off by giving it a mighty heave into the block wall to finish off my misery. I'm rusty but I had several years of 3d flying with my fleet of XCells 10 years ago, so it's not like I'm a rank beginner. Well onwards and upwards to something bigger!!

"If it flies, floats or f***ks, you're better off renting it"

04-21-2008 04:48 PM

tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

"If you can fly this (BCPP), you can fly anything."

If you have the patience and discipline, it is a great learning heli...

04-21-2008 11:45 PM

leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Exactly. Those CP Pros are such a worthless piece of junk. They make you so angry and that's not what this hobby is about. It's actually completely opposite. Thats why I just don't understand reading the E-flite forum with all these guys wanting to upgrade their CP Pro and buy the version 2 that just came out. I wish they would do What I wish I would have done and either not bought the piece of junk or at the very least not modified it and spent hard earned money on something SOOO MUCH MORE WORTHWHILE like a T-rex or the like. I don't regret my T-rexes at all. In fact I have 3 now and plan on getting many more. Sure they are a hell of a lot more money but so what you only got one chance at this life so enjoy it. Not to mention I easily pissed away $750 on that CP Pro. That could have been wisely spent on my 600's Servos and GY611. But oh well you live and you learn right?

04-22-2008 12:19 AM

BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

I still say that it has more value and is less aggravating once you can fly than it is as a trainer. I learned on it and realized at that time how patient I am. It is not for everyone though, especially upgraded like yours tutelar. I like mine even though I flew it into a phone wire this morning and trashed a set of CF blades, a skid, center hub, and spindle. Oh well, I know how to fix it- I've had PLENTY of practice.

04-22-2008 12:21 AM

DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

leftyatm, Its not a good begginer heli, I'll give ya that, but in the hands of someone who took the time and had some patience, its a great little heli. Very easy to maintain and cheap to fly. If it actually FELL APART in mid-air, I would say it's a POS. But in the right hands it flies great IMHO. Hate to tell ya its the pilot more than the heli.

04-22-2008 01:02 AM

zaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

leftyatm, so if I go out and get a Trex 450 SE V2 RTF like 3 of them for like $1800 without TX/RX I would be able to fly like Doug in no time?

I like my BladeCP/HoneyCP2's they fly really good once they're setup properly. They're easy to fix. The thing fell out of the sky in my flying field, broke/ head, blade grips, spindle shaft, and main shaft. I rebuild the whole thing, pitched / tracked fly it in less then 30min.

Now that I look back and totaled my spending on this hobby from Jan to now, I have not spend no where near a Trex 450 SE V2 RTF package with TX and RX at all. Trex learning curve cost still be higher so it won't matter.

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400

04-22-2008 01:38 AM

DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Your absolutely right Zaw

No matter what heli you get , there is going to be a learning curve and there WILL BE CRASHES. It's part of the hobby. If no one in the whole wide could could fly these little guys I would say -- Yep -P.O.Sheet.

But I can't cause it isn't, so go fly your trex and be happy

Leave the Blade CP's for the guys who like em.

04-22-2008 02:03 AM

vsnyder8
Veteran
Location: Ft Wayne, IN

When my blade cp is working correctly it is a barrel of fun. when it isn't it is a p.o.s.. I have gone through all the upgrades, it always seems there is just one more upgrade I need to do to get it just right.

I recently flew it, it was flying great, love it, flying in my front yard just putting around haveing fun, until the tail decided to stop for some reason. Haven't put it back together yet to test it, I think the press on tail blade caught on a screw head or something. I will be curious to see the new tail setup on the v2.

Since the last crash I set the blade cp aside and have been flying my Trex 450. I have to admit you can't beat the Rex for smooth flying and not haveing to worry about tail problems, but the little blade cp has its own alure. I learned alot of my flying with a blade cp and have had lots of fun with it, plus I can fly it in my front yard (when it is working well) or even in my garage, it is so light and small it has its place, and in its place it is very hard to beat.

I feel like a cheater but lately I have been checking out the Gaui 200. Small as the blade cp, light as the cp, but built like a Trex. Oh well, something to think about. lol

04-22-2008 03:10 AM

BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

You have to get a 'feel' for what makes them (BCCP) fly right. I think some guys give up before they ever get theirs to really fly like tutelar's or micro's. The main ingredient is patience- something that some guys just don't have. Then you learn all the tricks (that are easily available here) including stiffer head dampening like Dougs 7/64" windshield washer hose cut into little o-rings that work better than stock and a DD tail in the gws tail fin that directs air flow over the motor to keep it cool (brushed tail motors last a long time for me). Then you still have a heli that is too expensive and more unpredictable than many others but when you can fly one, you've learned how to manage the collective pretty well. And your skill here helps you when flying everything else. So the guys who stick this one out, benefit from it. IMO.

04-22-2008 06:31 AM

zaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

My friend got a EP100 from guai, smaller version of the 200. Pretty nice little guy. Pretty challenging to hover it at first because its so small and spin really really fast. That's where you BladeCP skills comes in. I hover it in no time.

I can't find a small pitch gauge to set it up better though. We had it outside in 10Mph winds and it stay put pretty good, a few time it got a way from me but not as bad as the CX2.

Honey Bee King 2 with brushless+hh mods are something to look in to. almost the same size as blade cp.

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400

04-22-2008 12:42 PM

leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

I'm not saying that buying a T-rex your more likely to be a better pilot. I still am in the hovering and forward flight stage. No aggressive 3-d. But with that said, I feel so much more comfortable flying it. It's smooth responsive and I don't have to worry about the crappy little tail motor burning out or glitching out. Sure with belt drives there always comes a time when the belt can fray and snap but that's why you do your pre-flight inspections to make sure everything is up to par. Sure it's more expensive but I haven't had one gripe at all since I've sold the CP Pro and moved on to something bigger and better. I'm just trying to offer a few words of advice to the new guys to not waste hard earned money on something that can only be so good. Only regret I've made in this hobby thus far is buying the Pro.

04-22-2008 02:30 PM

tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Not to defend the BCPP (I know how many times I wanted to throw it into the fence or stomp on it...), but in its stock form, it can fly very well. Certainly capable of everything into sport 3D.

The main deficiencies are resolved in the BCPP Version 2. These are:
- better main motor and able to replace the brushes
- better radio
- better gyro (HH)
- direct drive tail

And at $250, it is still a great deal!

Sure a B400 or Trex is going to fly better (I have 450 size helis as well), but they are going to be almost twice the price or more.

But for a NOOB, the ease of setup on an electric tail, the simplicity of the BCP head, and the cheap, easily available spare parts makes it a great little machine.

I fly my bigger helis, I crash my BCPPs -- always pushing the envelope with them, because I know I can fix them quickly for a total cost typically under $20.

My recommendation:
- if you are going to join a club, get a 450 size machine and don't crash too often
- if you are going to learn on your own in your living room/backyard, get a BCPP and keep it stock, follow Radd's and learn how to hover in 10 battery packs. Then figure out how hard the heli-bug has bitten and decide on your next heli purchase.

Upgrades don't make the flyer, patiently developed skills do.

That, and 60 cents will get you a coffee...

Happy Flying!

04-22-2008 03:34 PM

irush
Senior Heliman
Location: Greensboro, NC

Honestly, Now that I have my blade all brushless, the only thing that I can see that is better in the V2 is the tail motor mount and the canopy. I think really it is a process of CP experience. You have to go from the stock version, smack it around like a paddle ball while you are learning, and then modify. I have a trex too, and that is smooth as smooth can be. However, I always go back to my little flying squirrel and have have a blast. I am just about good at inverted flight and owe it all to the little CP. Can't beat the price, and how quick it is to fix.

flying is simple, electronics is hard

04-23-2008 01:04 AM

Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

I'm on my 2nd Pro now. The first one was a flat out dog.
The 2nd one was a keeper and have not switched to seps including a Telebee HH gyro and just love it.

Many of my frinds cant believe its an Eflight Blade since it flys so well.

Still flyin the stk tail mtr too after about 30 hrs. Wont last forever though.

Rick

04-23-2008 01:15 AM

vsnyder8
Veteran
Location: Ft Wayne, IN

Some guys say the blcp isn't good for learning, but you can't beat a near total crash, and back up and flying an hour later. Tear down and setup time from a crash is much faster and easier then my Trex.

My point being, yes it is squirrelly but noobs are going to crash, no matter what they fly, why not get one that is easy to repair without to much of a learning curve.

Yes, I love my Trex, it is much smoother to fly, but I love the small size and close in flying of the blade cp.

04-23-2008 01:38 AM

leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

I understand what you are all saying completely. Yes we are all going to crash. It's inevitable. But what my main point was that this hobby is meant to bring you happiness and pleasure not anger and sheer frustration. The CP Pro brought the anger and frustration. My Rexes bring me total happiness. Sure they are more expensive and there are a lot more parts to them. But I'm happy with my rexes and that's that. So long as you are all happy with your Cp Pros then great. I was only offering words of advice to those thinking of purchasing a CP pro.

04-23-2008 02:24 AM

LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

I had a BCPP and I can't say I learned much on it...as a matter of fact I had to unlearn a lot of bad habits because of it...

When I finally got a T-Rex, after spending enough to buy two T-rexes on the blade, I realized what a heli was supposed to fly like.

At that point I was pretty bitter about my experience with the Blade. I found myself constantly overcorrecting on the T-rex and expecting the tail to go out or to do weird unexpected things.

After the entire heli was an upgrade, it finally flew half as well as my Rexys.

In hindsight I wouldn't have wasted a penny on the Blade if I knew what I know now...

When I see DougRc's video it brings back bad memories...I dont call that flying...I call that struggling...it looks like it is always on the brink of going out of control...

some might call that fun, I call it annoying...

04-23-2008 02:33 AM

leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

I agree 100 Million percent LoulnSD You have said it so much better than I was able to. That is very true. I had to unlearn a lot of stuff and the constant fear of a glitch or having it freak out in flight was annoying. It in no way flew like what I think a helicopter flies like. With that said, the Rexes do what you want and with precision. It looks badass, sounds badass and flies badass. To sum it up...it's badass. It's funny I wrote this thread pissed off at the Pro months ago. That thing has since been sold off and this post is still going quite strong!

04-23-2008 02:36 AM

LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Yup, same here, I sold mine a long time ago..I'm still warning people about it...

Mine had every possible upgrade on it...I got complements on how it flew. I had a friend tell me that it was the best flying blade he had ever seen (and he works at a hobby shop). It was actually flying pretty well when I sold it. I would feel guilty selling it the way it usually flew...

I think the Blade made me a nervous pilot. (The thing made me feel like I was retarded sometimes) It took me a while to trust my skills after graduating to a real heli. After I began trusting my skills, my skill set increased dramatically.

Once in a while I go to the Blade on my sim just to see what its like. Same ole thing, flies like crap...

BTW, as far as the Blade is cheaper to fix argument...T-Rex parts are cheaper...You'll pay about the same price but the T-rex parts come in two's and three's where the Blade parts come in singles usually...

and you'll crash a LOT more on the blade because of the predictability and stability of the Rex...

04-23-2008 02:47 AM

DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Quote
I don't call that flying....I call that struggling

The TREX is clearly more stable than the Blades but It doesn't feel like struggling to me

It's a ton of FUN

Everyones got a different opinion on the same thing, thats whats make forums interesting. I can assure you that this is flying and NOT on the brink of "going out of control"

04-23-2008 11:46 AM

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