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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Blade CP+ Pro YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!
 
 
leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Wow I am so mad right now. I recently purchased a blade cp pro and upgraded it with all the bells and whistles. BL motor, esc, gyro, dual tail motor set up super skids, CF main and rotor blades. After i started flying it, i was NOT IMPRESSED at all with all the money I dumped into this thing. Approximately $600. I wish i wish i wish i had just listened to most of you about going straight to a TREX for they are more stable. Well out this morning trying to dial it in just a small hover only 2 feet off the ground I could not keep it to hold the tail even with the gyro at full head hold. This thing is a POS So I am trying to adjust it to make it as stable as possible ( and yes I do know its a small helicopter it's not going to be perfect, BUT this thing was ridiculous) Well anyway it started to spin and once again glitching...refer to my last post and it landed on the ground a little bit hard and at a slight angle but i still had the training gear on so it didnt dump on its side. But the blades struck the tail boom yes putting a fracture in it. It completely bent the entire main shaft and screwed up the, well basically the entire head. I am so mad I know I just bashed on it but I am sure there are still some out that that like the cp pro. I just want to sell it and get back some of the large amount of hard earned pennies i dumped into this thing.Even if i could get $250 bucks for this thing i think that is very reasonable with all the upgrades it has. If I could get back some of the money, I would really like to try a trex as a final attempt. I am not going to fix it. i took the head and mainshaft-gear off everything else is still in together. i taped the tail boom and it's holding. I love the hobby but after this I am so mad and almost ready to give it up. I really want to give a trex a shot as a final attempt because people swear that they are more stable and easier to fly. Please help me out here I am frustrated beyond belief at this point.
02-20-2008 07:06 PM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

I certainly understand the frustration - I have hit that wall a couple of times myself.

Definitely, a larger heli will be more stable. A rule that makes sense to me is: "Buy the largest heli that you can afford to crash." (thanks GinoCP)

However, glitching and similar problems are not a function of the heli, but the radio gear. If you are serious about getting into something different, my advice is break it into 2 steps:

  1. buy a better 2.4gHz radio - this will cure your glitches and allow you to improve the programming of the heli performance
  2. if still not satisfied, buy a larger heli


Many people have learned on the BCPx platform. Probably just as many have abandoned it - some to quit, some to go to a better heli.

Remember, "if you can fly this, you can fly anything..."

I hope you don't leave the hobby. If you can find a way to get only 1/2 the enjoyment out of RC Helis that I get, you will be well rewarded.

Happy Flying!
02-20-2008 09:32 PM
 
 
irush
Senior Heliman
Location: Greensboro, NC

Lefty, I have a question for you first. Are you just starting to fly helis, or do you have some time in it already? If you are, then, yes, a trex is a more stable and smoother to fly, I feel it is a very nice heli to fly. However, I learned on a CP like what you are doing now. I have over time upgraded my Blade to something past stock, and it is now one of my favorites to fly. I do not suggest learning on a rex if that is what you intend to do. Repair and reset is time consuming. A blade can take a beating and for a few bucks, can easily be repaired. In my experience, I learned that the wood E-flite blades can easily be repaired by ripping off the monocoat, using a little balsa wood epoxy and some sanding. They need to be balanced after that, but this is easy enough. The main shafts though soft, can be straightened good enough to reuse a few times. All the plastic head parts are cheap and very abundant. Next, I think you were trying to hover too close to the ground. I noticed that I had the best luck getting out of what is called ground effect, and getting up about four to five feet, where hovering was much better. Until you can confidently hover around the backyard/garage/carport, don't bother upgrading anything. The stock setup is just fine when it comes to doing that. I would suggest the lypo batteries( I use the thunder power 1380)which will give you more flight time to hop around and smack things while you learn. Put the wood blades back on, they break so your rotorhead won't. Avoid those plastic"trainer blades", those never ever break and destroy more head pieces than I can name. Keep the super skids now that you have them, those stock ones are a pain. Last but not least, I really do love it when someone says that If you can fly a blade you can fly anything. I hope this helps. If not, sorry to hear frustration, and name a price on that ESC and brushless main motor.

flying is simple, electronics is hard
02-20-2008 09:58 PM
 
 
poindej
Heliman
Location: austin, tx

Yeah, the CPP is a POS.
02-21-2008 12:32 AM
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rsking45
Heliman
Location: ny

Leftyatm,
You werent the only one to take the CPP route.I to spent alot of time and$$$$$ only to spend more $$$ fixing it.I to should have gone to a bigger bird and skipped the pro.I wanted to go with a trex but cant really afford one so I bought a Honey Bee kingII and love it.My next bird will be a trex
So do your self a favor and put the CPP away and If you can get the trex youll love it
Rich
02-21-2008 12:37 AM
 
 
Heli_Man_Bob
Heliman
Location: Miamisburg, Ohio, US

I feel your pain hang in there I learned to hover on a Honey Bee CP2 in a small two car garage every day after work I would try and inevitably crash it like stated earlier I would hammer the main shaft and spindle straight a few times. It seems I was at the LHS every other day buying blades etc. it took a beating far more survivable in a crash than my next heli MX400 more power more weight more destruction I will never forget the first time I slammed it into the garage floor almost $90 in plastic parts. Learned fwd flight on this one after many crashes most my fault some glitch related. I agree with the 2.4 recommendation I haven't had a glitch since. Once I proved I could fly basic fwd flight (6 months after starting) a friend let me try a 50 size nitro wow rock solid feel for once I was thinking ahead of the heli. Does your LHS have a simulator on display practice there as much as they let you. I didn't buy a sim until after I crashed the MX400 a few times and began to see the value in the sim for learning far less frustrating hitting the reset button. 2 years later still flying the sim. Sold the HB CP2 still have the MX400 and a 30 and 50 size nitro. Rebuilding and setup all part of the game.

Hang in there If I made it any one can.
02-21-2008 01:47 AM
 
 
StevenT
Senior Heliman
Location: Dallas, GA USA

I'm glad E-Flite came out with the B400, because I almost went with the Blade CP Pro! :O(

Shhh, don't tell the wife.
02-21-2008 02:12 AM
 
 
vsnyder8
Veteran
Location: Ft Wayne, IN

You might consider getting a HBK2, you can buy a basic setup for under $100, use your brushless main motor and esc and gyro from your blade cp. I have never flown one of them but I hear they are more stable then the blade cp and not much larger.

I have 3 heli's and often I still feel I like the blade cp best, because it is such a challenge to fly, but it is also small and convenient to fly in tight areas. My Trex is much more stable but with the extra power and weight it can tear itself up pretty fast in a crash.

The other thing you might consider is a blade cx2, if you are new to the hobby, they are easy to fly but you learn the basics of guiding it around with the tx. and when you crash they are so light they do very little damage, and blades are about $1 each. Cheap to fix.

Good luck
Van
02-21-2008 03:20 AM
 
 
leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Guy's I really do appreciate the advice. I am hooked. I absolutely love this little hobby.. I don't know if that is a blessing or a curse. I guess a blessing to my happiness and a curse to my wallet. But again with the information you guys stated I appreciate it. I really thought about going with the 2.4 ghz system. As my dad already has the Blade 400. I could buy a rx and use his radio. But again a rx is another 60 bucks on top of the... 40 bucks give or take I just damaged on the cp pro. Is it really woth another 60 bucks or so to invest in the pro or should i just save it for a trex. I understand what Irush said about being too low to the ground. But it wasnt a matter of the turbulence. It wouldn't keep from spinning. I adjusted the channel 5 knob, trim tab and the gyro as well as shut off the 3 in 1. It smacked the ground when it was spinning and glitching. As for being new to the hobby, yea you can say I am a little green behind the ears but consider myself a fast learner. I started out with a very basic e-sky honey be and while i wrecked that more times than i can count, i got pretty good replacing the parts not to mention felt rather comfortable in forward flight significantly reducing crashes. I recently hit a tree with it so it is now in a million pieces. But I wrecked that one on my own accord. I just dont get how I was being so easy with the pro and it just chewed itself a new one. But by enjoying the honey bee so much that was when I decided I wanted to dive into this hobby thinking that bigger and more advanced birds would be more stable, and fun but that wasnt the case with the pro. but to be honest the cheap little honey bee that you can buy online for $85 bucks flew 10 times smoother. I am working a deal out with my lhs about doing a trade in on the pro and putting the money towards a trex. the sad thing is i really liked working on the cp pro and it looks like a tough little bird. i want to keep it i just dont want to keep getting frustrated and waste more time and money on something that can only be half as good as a trex or other comparable bird.
02-21-2008 05:22 AM
 
 
zore
New Heliman
Location: Jackson, New Jersey - USA

I'm not sure if I'm in the same boat you are or not but here's my story. I made the mistake of buying a 17 dollar mini 2 channel ir heli from buy.com and that was the hook. 2 weeks later I bought a lama v4 which I love but I did not enjoy the wait for parts so I opted to buy a Blade CP pro which I got a good deal on.

After some frustration, and alot of broken blades, I bought a HH gyro. This is the key to flying these things and having fun and not getting so frustrated. I fly my heli's in an area that's maybe 6 x 6 feet or half the size of a small one car garage so I'm expecting to break things flying in that sort of space.

Another mod i did which besides the gyro was to actually move the weights of the flybar in. I felt that the heli was sort of jumpy, but not responsive enough. Moving the weights in gives me immediate feed back to make corrections. Might not work for everyone, but it works for me. I have not had any radio glitches as of yet.

My only problem with the heli was that every time I flew it, it cost me 17 bucks due to broken wooden blades. After reading this post I can see that those can be repaired to some extent and I think that's my way forward. I bought 5 sets of the esky cp2 blades which are roughly half the price so I'll work with those.
02-21-2008 06:14 PM
 
 
Mtn Heli Man
Heliman
Location: Jasper Ga

Yes there are many of us that wish we had either found RR first or listened to what the experienced pilots said! I agree with all the other posts and would suggest a 2.4G transmitter and a good simulator then save your dollars for a bigger bird. I love my Rexys.
02-21-2008 07:35 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

lefty, I know what your going thru. Thats where I was a little over a year ago. Upgrading the hell of a blade CP pro which is a very unstable and twitching heli to begin with. You would probably be better of with just a regular Blade CP without the upgrades or the bell-hiller head. Keep it stock and really just learn to fly in all orientations first before moving on. The TREX is more stable but a little more complex to set up and repair.
You can learn quite a lot from the rather simple blade and it is very easy to fix and once you master it in it's simplicity you will have a real appreciation for the bigger birds. I got a HB King 2 a was immediately impressed with the stability of a bigger bird compared to the blade.
Now I'm flying the Blade CP again and having a ball with it but the real difference between now and then is I understand set-up better and I am a much better pilot now than I was. I don't blame the heli anymore but look at the set-up and whether or not my skills are up to the job at hand. Watch any video from Kyle stacy and you will see its about set-up and the pilots skill more than any thing else.
02-21-2008 08:53 PM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

Lefty

I feel your pain.

I bailed out many months ago for all the same reasons you have just experiencedin favor of the King 2.

Come on down to the Esky forum and stay awile.

Rick
02-21-2008 08:59 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Lefty, Another thing you could do is sell the pro and seeing that your DAD already has a Blade 400, get one yourself and then you guys could stock up on parts and help each other with repairs. The 400 is definately more stable than the little CP. Just my 2 penny's
02-21-2008 09:20 PM
 
 
leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Thanks all. Yes Dougs Rc thats what I decided to do tonight. The owner of a LHS although 45 minutes away is going to work a deal on either TREX or a Blade 400. I want a TREX But I will be happy with a Blade 400 right now. Epsecially since I just tallied up all on the CP Pro...750 thats right! 750 Dollars!! I rather just a RTF right now and enjoy that for a few months before getting another one. The more the better just not if it includes a CP Pro.
02-21-2008 11:54 PM
 
 
dieselracer
Senior Heliman
Location: vista CA

Keep the CP. YOU will come back to it once you get better. Then you will realize that it was you the whole time. What Gryo do you have? If its the G90. thats why it doesnt hold. YOU need a 401. you should consider buying a RX. and A 401 if you dont already have it. Then. Set up a brushless tail motor. It will out fly that B400 any day of the week. It will also out fly a stock Trex450. Stay away from HBK2 They dont handle hard 3d. They break parts in flight with only 3000 RPM. We run our CPpro at 3500 RPM hard 3d no problem. IT flys just like my trex 450, with 401/9257 weighted tail. cc45 and scorpion motor at 3400 RPM. ONly difference is that the tail holds better on the CP with the Brushless tail.

Trex 500 SA Aluminum frame CC80, 3x 9650, 401, 9257, +15-15 pitch.
02-22-2008 02:13 AM
 
 
zore
New Heliman
Location: Jackson, New Jersey - USA

I put an align 500 gyro on mine. Cost 77 bucks and doese a fantastic job so far.
02-22-2008 02:41 AM
 
 
leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Thanks guys for all of your offers. I know I am not going to get as much as I put into this thing. But I put it on craigs list and got a few offers for $250 and also can work a deal out with my LHS. I finally got my little honey bee back together and love that little cheap thing. Like I said it flies so much nicer than the Blinged CP Pro. I can fly it around and also keep it rather still with little trim and adjustments unlike the CP Pro. I have decided to go for it...F#ck it. You only live once. I am on midnights right now but tomorrow I am calling my LHS and having him order me the new TREX 450 SE V2. He said he can get it in 2 days. So as soon as I end my midnight shift, I am going to head up to the store and have him help me build it. I am also going to wait til next pay check then go ahead and get the Spektrum DX 7 and an align Gyro. Wish me luck.
02-23-2008 12:04 AM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Good luck!

Definitely, a larger heli will be more stable..

Stick with it. You'll be happy you did!

Happy Flying!
02-23-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
leftyatm
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Yes I've decided the TREX 450 se v2. As for what dieselracer said. I understand how even being good sometimes it will be a change of pace to come back to something a little smaller and less demanding like a cp. But I have a e-sky honey bee. while it is not advanced or "capable" of the cp pro (although i think the honey bee is betterbut still very similar to the cp pro, smaller size, tail motor) i still have the honey bee to come back to. I just got a new motor for it still a brushed but replaced it with a walkera high performance and used one of my spare 3 cell lipos from the cp pro it was like a new helicopter. and a great thing to feel comfortable going to "or trying to go to" the next step with. I still get a little squirelly at times changing rotations (left side, right side, nose in) But there definitely is HUGE improvement. As for getting rid of the cp pro, I am going to the LHS next week and going to start purchasing my trex. again by starting with the helicopter then waiting and getting the dx 7. I am sure I will love it, but down road I think I'll get a blade 400 too. I can ask all of you and im sure you say the more helicopters the merrier right? One day down the road a Trex 600 and then after that maybe a 600 Nitro, for spits and giggles everything after the Trex 450 se v2 is a wishlist of course but we can all dream cant we.!!??? I just feel better already knowing that I am getting rid of the bucket cp pro. I was just never impressed with it.

Happy flying to all
02-23-2008 10:51 PM
 
 
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