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Henseleit 3DNT - Rocket - 3DMP > 3DMPXL-E or an ION 2

mike658sr
Senior Heliman
Location: Glen Ellyn, Illinois

I'm considering either a 3DMPXL-E or an ION 2 and would appreciate any comments. I own a MA Fury Tempest FAI 90 and appreciate the kit quality and service of MA and would expect no less from Jan. That being equal the only issue I could see would be spare parts. Receiving them from Germany could take a little over a week. Which is no problem. Outside of the current exchange rate what am I missing?

Also, can anyone please post a video clip of the pitch "without" rotation. I just want to see the movement of the swash plate and flybar since the rotor head is the most interesting part of the heli.

Thanks

Been there done that!

02-14-2008 12:35 AM

laughingstill
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

I can tell you that I own a 3DMP-E and it is awesome! The only thing I don't like it the Volz specific servos. The 3DMPXL-E uses FULL SIZE servos! I do not know about the Ion-x but I have heard it is a fine machine. You can also get parts for the Henseleits at www.revolution-models.co.uk also. They are 3-4 days away and they are in the UK....Ron

3DMP-E, Logo 6003D, Logo103D Carbon and Trex 450se Flyin Firefighter

02-14-2008 12:46 AM

frt38
Heliman
Location: Grenoble - France

Hello Mike,

I have a 3D-MP-XL-E since mid of last year, great quality and service from Jan. I don't have experience with MA.

Regarding your video request, I don't have a video but some pictures of the head in my gallery. Regarding the movement of the swach plate, it is inverted in comparaison of the movement of my logo, when plate go up, pitch value go down...
I hope this help you a little bit.

I you want other specific informations about my setup, just ask, you are welcome.

Friendly,
Olivier

3D-MP-XL-E vstabi-Logo10-Logo600 vstabi-Trex450SE

02-14-2008 12:47 PM

Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

3dmp or ION?

Well...I have a 3dmp and an Electric Stratus...I don't own an ION...but I don't think I ever will either...my Estratus flies VERY nice but it's a bit different than the 3dmpe

The 3dme is a smaller and lighter and more agile machine...

If you want something different then get a 3dmp...they seem like great machines...but the Volz servos do kind of blow

I myself am working on a flybarless conversion and a full sized servo conversion for my 3dmpe.

once I get the full sized servos and flybarless I'll have more pics...but here's a couple to look at for now..

BTW...the reason why the swashplate movement seems backwards is the fact that the 3dmpe changes the pitch on the trailing edge of the blades instead of the leading edge...most helis change the pitch on the leading edge of the main blade grips...

02-14-2008 03:29 PM

Thuvanduc
Senior Heliman
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah

The Ion is an electric version of the Fury. I had the MPXL-E for over a year now. I flew both machines and here is my assessment:

3D, about the same, they both fast rolling, tumbling, tic toc, piro flip

Hovering & stability, the Ion is more sensitive/touchy the pilot have to really control the sticks. The XL-E is very stable in hovering, the machine when setup correctly can hand free hovering. The same goes for forward flight, the XL-E tracks straight in big loop and 3 second roll effortlessly. One will have to really work the sticks for the Ion to do the same

Design, the XL-E has half the number of part count of the Ion, very optimal design, all metal and CF kit

Part Costs, all crash parts cost above the same. One need to look at crash cost from this: more parts mean more stuff to break, more time to rebuild, more tidious to reset and tune, more maintenance and tests to do

They are both excellent machines to fly.

02-14-2008 09:45 PM

mike658sr
Senior Heliman
Location: Glen Ellyn, Illinois

SERVO CONFIRMATION

Can someone confirm if the 3DMPXL-E uses FULL SIZE servos as stated by Laughingstill. I'm only aware of full size servos being used on the gas models.

Been there done that!

02-15-2008 03:36 AM

laughingstill
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

It does trust me on this one, I did the research! Here is the link with the info:
http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/index_e.html

3DMP-E, Logo 6003D, Logo103D Carbon and Trex 450se Flyin Firefighter

02-15-2008 03:45 AM

frt38
Heliman
Location: Grenoble - France

Hello Mike,

here the confirmation, I have a 3D-MP-XL-E and it use full size servo. (It is the 3D-MP-E, 50 size model who use small one).

Additionaly, MP is for Modular Power, that mean that the struture from Nitro and Electric are the same and that with a few parts you can move from electric to nitro (that never happened ;-)) or nitro to electric, that's why E and Nitro use the same servo size because servo tray are the same. XL is for the 90 size model and the other is a 50 size model.

I hope this help.

Regards
Olivier

3D-MP-XL-E vstabi-Logo10-Logo600 vstabi-Trex450SE

02-15-2008 09:06 PM

littleman
Key Veteran
Location: state college pa home of Penn State

Have you considered the Joker 2, You can get it in the US but you get German quality, and normal servos drop in. There are a plethora or motor options as well, depending on flying style and battery options.
A.J.

Proud member of Teams Minicopter Acrobat and CYE
AIM minicopter3d with questions

02-15-2008 09:08 PM

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