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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Shorter Main Shaft
 
 
pcmpete
Senior Heliman
Location: Southern California via Ireland

Hi all, I am looking into converting my Evo 90 to flybarless, and I was wondering with the flybar and cage gone could the main shaft be shortened bringing the rotor disk closer to the body of the heli, thus lifting the CG.
Has anyone tried this yet?

Pete B

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01-30-2008 02:03 AM
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Disciple4123
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Location: Waynesboro, VA USA

Odd you should ask. I had a very long Vario 12mm shaft that I wanted to put on a shorter application this week. I used a 3.17mm drill bit (1/8" set high into a drill press with an x-y table on it. It cut centered perfectly on the practice shaft and on the real one. Then used a hacksaw and grinder to remove the extra stock. With the tools mentioned above it was easy, I would certainly not cross drill freehand with a handdrill.

So mechanically, you have my advise above, as far as the physics of it all, use your own judgement and dont have a boomstrike.

Eric
01-30-2008 05:21 AM
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Super-Hornet
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Location: Singapore

I not sure about shortening your heli main shaft... but if yours is a modified 2 bladed flybarless from normal flybarred design, that mean your rotor head is still a teeter design.

If you use shorter shaft, u have to be careful because the blades can easily hit your tail boom due to the rotor disc teeter.

That is why u see those real heli with teeter design (Jet Ranger, Huey, Bell 222?) has higher rotor head (or longer shaft).

SH
01-30-2008 12:44 PM
 
 
Bart B
Veteran
Location: Chicago

Pete look in the Synergy forum.
There's a head out that is indeed shorter with a shortened mainshaft.Havn't flown mine yet,but it works

Don't fence me in
01-30-2008 03:45 PM
 
 
pcmpete
Senior Heliman
Location: Southern California via Ireland

Bart B

That is one nice looking head. I contacted the designer/manufacturer and it can be modified (part added) to suit a 10mm main shaft,

Pete B

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HiroboWorld forum
01-31-2008 03:50 AM
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BPFlyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Wichita, KS

While reading up on the Vstabi Wiki website, it seems the real key is to take all the teeter out of the head. The Vstabi requires a rigid head to perform at it's best. Teeter is like having slop in your linkage, not good for flybarless setups.

Fly it like you stole it!
01-31-2008 11:23 PM
 
 
Super-Hornet
Veteran
Location: Singapore

"Teeter is like having slop in your linkage, not good for flybarless setups"
Not really agree on this. With teeter/flapping, u can have -ve or +ve delta offset. Rigid and u don't have that delta offset. Futhermore, rigid head the rotor disc cannot be tilt around.

Rigid head maybe good for 3D. I tried rigid head on before and IMHO, I prefer teeter (for 2 bladed) or at least flapping hinges (multibladed).

On rigid head, if u apply cyclic, u notice the blades try to tilt but due to rigid, it cannot tilt and u will see it goes wobble rotation instead. This is more visible if your heli is on the ground and u want to do taxing (with wheels).

SH
02-01-2008 12:02 AM
 
 
BPFlyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Wichita, KS

Guess you will have to take up that argument with the folks that developed the Vstabi System.

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Step 1: Rigid Rotor Head
In order to work properly VBar needs a perfect set up rigid rotor head. For Mikado pilots it is straightforward. Simply install the Mikado rigid rotor head (see also Mikado Logo Series); you may skip this chapter. Other helicopter models might need more work like it is described in Mechanical Setup and Conversion of other helis.

The goal is to get a very stiff and slop-free linkage from the swash to the head using complete servo travel to get rational cyclic and collective pitch throws.

Basicly all throws, travels, linkages and lever arms had to be optimized for a flybarless (rigid) head. Additional are there some things to consider for conversion of a flybar head.

A rigid setup makes any mechanical system more responsive and more importantly, more accurate. The sensors must be able to detect even the slightest movement so the computer can make a correction before you (as a pilot) would ever notice it. A soft connection results in numb feedback for the sensors. Since the VStabi is 100% programmable and "fly by wire", a rigid setup does not necessarily translate to being overly sensetive since flight behavior is programmable. A very rigid setup can still fly very easily and smoothly without any hint of being touchy or unstable. With VStabi, both 3D and scale helis of any size will benefit from a stiff rotorhead and blades.

Repeated in another set up section: The target of the conversion is to get a really stiff and free from play linkage to the head under use of the complete servo travel and getting rational zyclic and collective pitch throws.

Which main head is useable for VStabi?

The heli has to response quick and direct to steering inputs. Therefore it may be useful to chose the rotorhead, dampeners and main blades depending on this fact. A hard and playless setup form the whole system will work much better with VStabi than a soft setup with play in the linkages.

This will have most effect on big scale helis that have normally a very soft setup for use with flybarless heads. You will get much better performance under use of hard and light main blades and hard dampeners. This will be much better for getting less ocillation.

The maximum hardness is only limited by the ground resonance while powering up/down the system before/after flight.

Fly it like you stole it!
02-01-2008 02:43 AM
 
 
BPFlyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Wichita, KS

Getting back on topic, yes my flybarless setup will include a shortened main shaft.

Why? Because it improves the helis dynamic CG. How? Lowers the rotor disc, lessens the pendulum effect on the dynamic mass.

Will blade strike become an issue? Depends on how much teeter is left in the head and how carried away you get with shortening the main shaft. Other variables are blade choice and Disc RPM.

Fly it like you stole it!
02-01-2008 02:56 AM
 
 
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