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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > food for thought,HBK owners especially newbies
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

See what you started Fender I actually love this thread Fender, it gets people "Thinking" I hope it doesn't dissapear, I could be some day as legendary as Shanees "King or Belt CP" 5000 view thread that doesn't die, its GREAT. Fender, please don't close it. These DANG kids today with thier Fancy gyros Slider was flying helis BEFORE gyros and he survived it all ! He's a professor ya know!!
01-30-2008 02:35 PM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

I hope to keep it open....but people take stuff to seriously....if it dont apply,let it fly....and once again I'm late for work because I'm fooling around here....see ya tonight...gotta go

and for the record...I learned to hover on a BLADE CP with RATE gyro with no help but RR and NO sim

PerformancePlusRC field rep
COMPASS helis field rep
Mini Titan/SE
HBK2
Futaba FASST
01-30-2008 02:40 PM
 
 
Burlyman38
Veteran
Location: Troy,IL

And just when you thought all we did was joke around and buy bling, he hehe. Here comes a somewhat serious and open discussion. I think both Fender and Greggor brought up some great points, but in effect it comes down to the commitment of the pilot. And I agree with Fender that you do have to EARN your first hover. And for most of us its through trail and error and watching whatever videos we can find on the matter. RR help a lot, but it still comes down to one guy on the sticks with his heli in a garage,basement,street,or in Tryans case the dining room void of table and chairs. But, Greggor has some good points also. RR peoples do make many suggestions as to what to change or add. WHile not insisting that these changes be made, but rather what is working for them. Being a newbie also, I value the lessons of my heli elders and have gotten upgrades. Some of those were MUST haves, the BL motor and ESC. Some of those upgrades were because i thought they looked awesome and had some cash to blow. But even then it all came down to time on the sticks and a persistence to keep trying. For that, the aid of RR is unmeasurable in how everyone will give you encouragement to keep going, high praises for the smallest of accomplishments, and comiserate in your failures. Time will be the true judge of the new heli pilots commitment and dedication.

I have rambled, therefore, I am.

TripleB
Flying by the street light.
01-30-2008 03:59 PM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

A Zillion flights later and still flying the original Plastic Head.

Rick
01-30-2008 05:04 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Ricks, A ZILLION flights Now that is getting your monies worth out of a head Gregor , It does kinda seem like you have had more than you share of problems with the KING. You are obviously highly intelligent and very dedicated but now this thread got me thinking about Why some guys have a ton of issues with the King and some guys don't. I don't have a simple answer, I wish it were that simple. I myself flip-flop all the time on what is heli-truth or not. When I first got the Blade CP-- I loved it, and then I hated it, and now I am having alot of fun flying it, its flying GREAT !! If you asked me a month ago, I would have said What a P.O.S, now I'm not sure Whats different now as opposed to a year ago ? I don't know for sure---Better set-up---Better pilot--- probably all of the above, one mans junk is another mans treasure.
I knew this thread would be controversial Hell !! Even Tryan got a TREX, has the world gone haywire???
01-30-2008 06:36 PM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Slider said I could drive his boat if I got a TREX. What was I supposed to do?

Let me try that BCPP again Doug. Mine was a fun toy but the plastic was wearing the linkages were loose the rate gyro is hard to learn orientation with and the tailmotor was dead and I had a gy240 that wouldn't work with the stock 3&1 So the BB king was a logical choice. I was planning on keeping BCPP and upgrading to all the good stuff but never did a little pricey. now I flip flopped like John Kerry and the king is gonna be my backup heli So dont trust what I say I may change my mind in a few months?

Also I sure would like to have my ECO8 back why did I sell that?

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-30-2008 06:58 PM
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DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Member the good ole days when it was "all hail the King" Give me a month with the Blade CP and it might be a P.O.S again, who knows ?? I hope Gregor doesn't get offended in any way, that gregor post's the most incredible pictures EVA !!
01-30-2008 07:25 PM
 
 
rccarguy
Senior Heliman
Location: Boston MA

Good stuff here, and it is very true that the best equipment in the world won't make you any better at <pick an activity>, it's your personal ability that makes the difference.

BUT....

I have noticed that sometimes it makes it easier to learn something if you have decent equipment to begin with. Time spent trying to get things to work consistantly is also a learning experience but isn't for everyone, some people don't have much mechanical abilty, just a fact of life. Many would rather use the time available sharpening skills on the basic activity, in this case flying, and hopefully the machines abilities exceed their own. With most newbies almost any heli is going to exceed their abilities, it's really just a matter of how quickly they catch up and the machine becomes a limiting factor. Think Blade CX, or any of the fixed pitch machines available.

Having started with larger machines and worked my way DOWN the ladder to the 300 size heli's, I found the KING to be perfectly adequate out of the box. Starting with a barebones chassis I built mine up with things I had on the shelf as spares for other helis I already had. Problems with the tail hub and blade grips, no problem this spare Trex part fits. Need servos? Got a set of HS 65 MG in the toolbox, Gyro? Spare GY401. When the 401 was needed elsewhere the King got a new Logictech 2100.

The baseline machine worked very well, but I was already at the point where I could tell the difference between what I had and what it could be with a few tweaks. I love to tinker with machinery, always have. I've got a mini lathe and mill in the garage and I've got parts that I've made with those tools on a few motorcycles and several of my RC cars among other things. There's something very satisfying about taking a chunk of raw metal and making a working part out of it, but I have no patience for needing to reset blade tracking every other flight simply because the stock plastic head is a piece of crap that wears out faster than I can make trips to the LHS for replacement parts.

But I'm probably the exception rather than the norm when it comes to modifiying things, sometimes I do it simply for the challenge or to see if an incremental improvement will make any kind of a noticeable difference, by no means do I add bling just because I believe it's going to make me able to do something better.

Yes, I've got just about every concievable upgrade in existance on my King, and I've been able to appreciate every incremental gain, but it's been more of an academic exercise for me than anything else. On the other side of the coin, I've done no upgrades to the Raptor 30, it already had carbon fiber blades when I bought it, everything else on the machine performs as it should and doesn't require continual tinkering just to get consistant flight performance. Bottom line is, the machine simply doesn't need it and I see nothing to be gained by swapping the existing plastic parts for metal, the King2 on the other hand is a different story.

So what's the point of this rambling post? To each their own I guess, some people jump on the bling bandwagon because they think they need to, or it's the cool thing to do. Me, I upgrade things when I believe there is something to be gained by doing it. Do I always wind up seeing an improvement? No, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

I learned to fly on a Trex, I learned to crash on a Blade CP...
01-30-2008 07:42 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

rccarguy,
01-30-2008 08:28 PM
 
 
Strut70
Senior Heliman
Location: Elizabethtown Indiana

I think this is a bunch of bull....just my opinion...

I think we do this for the same reason i have a 600hp engine in my 67 chevelle. and the speed limit is 70mph....Because we can !!!!!!!!!!!!

Whats the first thing you do after you by a new harley? You go spend $10.000 on bling
Why do you owne that $5000.00 guitar when you could play your old cheap one? because you can.

It,s the American way , It,s the way were built


Just My opinion

If they make,em i,ll break,um
01-30-2008 09:10 PM
 
 
rccarguy
Senior Heliman
Location: Boston MA

"Because I can" is the reason I have 7 motorcycles in the garage

I tinker with things like the King 2 because it's interesting and challenging. If I just want to go fly with no hassle, I have the Raptor 30, and dare I say it, a Trex

I learned to fly on a Trex, I learned to crash on a Blade CP...
01-30-2008 09:19 PM
 
 
Sgt Heli
Veteran
Location: Remlap, Al USA

Oh heck, Fender had a thought about bling vs hovering and made a post, period. He directed it at no one. This is not serious business here. Its fun, and I'm having fun with my little heli. I have fun coming here and chatting with others that enjoy helis. People can come and go here quickly it seems, but while we are here lets have some laughs and talk heli talk. Lets leave the serious stuff at the table where we sit down to write the checks that pay for all this
S%$#^.
01-30-2008 09:21 PM
 
 
Burlyman38
Veteran
Location: Troy,IL

WRITE CHECKS!!! you mean i have to pay back the credit card people, ohhhh sh$#, now im in trouble. I thought it was free money. Well, i guess it was time to sell off the paintball stuff anyway, tired of being the oldest guy out there evey time. he he he.

TripleB
Flying by the street light.
01-30-2008 09:27 PM
 
 
TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Thanks for the thoughts fender. I too have somewhat fallen into the buy to help it fly trap and it was not intentional. I will think more about it next time I have a problem and remind myself that these things can fly, IF they are setup correctly and IF I put in the time.

- Chris

Variety+spice+life+supporting_paper_towel_industry=
King2+Rex450+Protos+Concept30
01-30-2008 09:45 PM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Well I guess strut70 may have a small point I didnt over do my king sure I have the metal head and brushless but thats it still using stock woodies.

And my harley I did a stage 1 kit which is just pipes and air filter rest is stock.

Maybe attitude does have something to do with it Im just above middle of the road on all my purchases.


Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-30-2008 10:06 PM
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Strut70
Senior Heliman
Location: Elizabethtown Indiana

Well really I was just try to stir something up but the truth is for me is i just like to tinker also.....If the hbk2 would have been perfect out of the box, I suppose i still would have tryed to make it better.
Im like everyone else i guess i have $6oo.oo in a $150.00 heli
Granted most of that was a new radio which I can use on any future heli, brushless mtr and esc...exta parts galore... But i agree we tend to over do it....But to me, thats ok because WE CAN and it,s fun

If they make,em i,ll break,um
01-30-2008 10:52 PM
 
 
toolman18
Key Veteran
Location: Portland, Texas

Upgrades

When i first got into this hobby 4 years ago, i upgraded the hell out of my hawk sport and it did not make me a better pilot. When i crashed i just spent more money to replace those expensive parts i put on it. I got frustrated and quit the hobby. Now i have a cheap belt cp and a ton of cheap platic parts when i crash. I am more determined than ever to become a great pilot on a basic heli. What i am finding out is that i can fly this thing pretty good on stock. When i tinker, it is only to get a better set up. Set up is key but practice is way better. Im only stating my opinion but my sim and training gear made me a sloppy pilot. Take the training gear off as soon as possible. Learn to fly without it. In the end your hard work will make you better and get you closer to accomplishing your goals.

Just like Fender said. Go fly the thing. Fly 3 or 4 times a day. You will get better.(unless youre stupid)

Brad

We need video proof around here.
01-30-2008 11:55 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Look whos saying "exactly" to sensible words of wisdom" Picapacapoopoo" also know as-----------look down

01-31-2008 12:11 AM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

01-31-2008 12:15 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri



Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-31-2008 12:23 AM
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