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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Flybarless Vario Acrobatic, need a little advise with vibes
 
 
Disciple4123
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Location: Waynesboro, VA USA

I have converted the Acrobatic, it is a cameraship, weighing 20 lbs, using the 9.01:1 gear ratio, #427 blades (wide chord 820mm). I am very pleased with the control with HC Rigid stabilizing it, now I have an issue. Initially the head dampening was very tight like I had it flybarred, it vibrated with the tight dampening as a flybarless. I loosened it up by removing my homemade center ball equivalent on the head axle, it got much better. Now the dampening is tighter than Vario stock, but I cannot loosen it further without buying a head axle (I had previously milled 30/1000 " off of it.) Is it common to need looser dampening for this sort of application? I am trying to stay away from the problems with oring dampened heads and excessive play, namely a loose null zone in the dampening and oring damage. I can loosen it slightly further by buying a head axle if needed. It does better at 1290 RPM and worse below 1250.

So far I have statically and dynamically balanced the blades (they were perfect).

I have worked the tracking to and fro in 1/2 turn adjustments, it is just about perfect.

I have also run the blades at different tightnesses, to manage lead-lag, no difference noticed at all reasonable settings.

The other possibility is the following: I am using rocket city ball links on the bottom of the pitch rods, and Vario ones on the upper. Vario links are always a little loose, and these have about 1/4mm of play in them. Perhaps a little play is the culprit? Any guesses out there, is the rod play involved or too tight of dampening.

I must say the flybarless seems more responsive AND stable than a flybar has ever done for me.

Eric
01-29-2008 08:38 PM
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Disciple4123
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Location: Waynesboro, VA USA

Pictures

The pictures

The head comes out at exactly zero delta (cant see it in the picture)
a 2" flybar piece and some stock parts make up the antirotation system: it's all I need but a little clumbsy looking.


Eric
01-29-2008 08:51 PM
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Dr. Fibinotchi
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Location: Sioux Falls SD

hmm

I assume you did play with the shims in the head to get it softer? I had mine really soft when I had my vario for AP work. Looks like a nice ship.

-Cody

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02-22-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
rroback
Elite Veteran
Location: Irvine (UCI), Ca

why don't you remove that linkage, and the top flybar thing? the washout arms will hold the swash in place

Rhett... I can't fly, luckily the HC Profi Can!
02-22-2008 06:43 PM
 
 
Disciple4123
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Location: Waynesboro, VA USA

Shims: yes I tried various combinations. The final one involves three orings in the inner to serve as a head axle ball, makes things a lot better. Now is has 1.1mm of shimming on each size, and hard orings on the outside positions. May be going back with Vblades 810's soon, as taking a lot of weight off the heli has resulted in balooning and unwanted attitude changes in turbulent air with the 427's. The 427's did great at 29LBS though.

Antirotation: If I undo some of the stock linkages further the washout will drop during idle, and lose the pin position. With the somewhat clumbsy hardware it is certain to always stay high enough to retain the phase pin.

Eric
02-25-2008 03:21 AM
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mcfast
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Location: Canada

I put this in the middle of my head inner to serve as a head axle ball
works great

http://www.wbds.com/htm/GE8C-SKF.htm
02-25-2008 11:38 AM
 
 
hootowl
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Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Any way you can extend the spindle with a spacer?
I have a slightly bent stock spindle I can send you. Maybe you can straighten it.

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02-25-2008 12:16 PM
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Disciple4123
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Location: Waynesboro, VA USA

Mcfast, a spherical bearing is the most robust solution I can imagine for that, if it fist your machine I'd consider it ideal. Vario makes a recess that allows three orings in the center, nobody talks about it, but it makes a world of difference, and I suspect that their engineers put the recess there because they assumed that some folks would do that. They could have put it in the manual??

As far as needing a stock length spindle, yes my previous one was shortened, but I have a new stock one in now, with 1.1mm of shimming on each side. Perhaps my previous posts were confusing. Thanks for the offer though.

Eric
02-25-2008 04:29 PM
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mcfast
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Location: Canada

I have a stock Vario head and the spherical bearing fits in perfect with on mods.
02-25-2008 05:45 PM
 
 
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