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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Align 600N gasser conversion
 
 
Invrted1
Veteran
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Clearly there are quite a few of us wanting to see this work out well. I just wish I lived closer, so I could be there to watch the first flight! Please video if possible.
02-01-2008 06:51 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

LOL , come on you guys , remember tuesday morning this thing was still just masonite , and jack , i believe you fly all winter , but let me be the first to admit , i'm a total woosy , it's cold out there , dana
02-01-2008 06:54 PM
 
 
alcastan
Senior Heliman
Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

I always wanted a gasser, seems like finally I can have one, and what's best that on a 600?


Cheers!!!

Alejandro,

I know, I know, but I really need it!!
02-01-2008 06:59 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

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Hey Dana, what kind of muffler are you going to run? the stock or a modified pipe like the one from century?

hi Alejandro

i have a Century V1 and a V2 and will run which ever is lighter , i am thinking the V1 might be better on this engine as it is a bit smaller than the V2 , dana
02-01-2008 06:59 PM
 
 
alcastan
Senior Heliman
Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

Century only sells now the V3, but will it work for the 20?

Alejandro,

I know, I know, but I really need it!!
02-01-2008 07:05 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Alejandro
i know they all have the same mounting , or spacing of the exhaust bolts, so the V series 1 , 2 or 3 from Century will fit the engine , but i don't have enough experience with the engine to know if they are a good choice weight and or power wise , i just have them and want to try them , once i get to fly i will have a better idea of how they work ,HTH , dana
02-01-2008 07:18 PM
 
 
alcastan
Senior Heliman
Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

Ok, so we'll wait, thank you very much!!

Alejandro,

I know, I know, but I really need it!!
02-01-2008 07:19 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Alejandro

yes , definitely wait to see how i make out with it , it looks good now , but there is no knowing for sure , it could all be just a fool's parade , wait till it has a chance to fly , thanks again , dana
02-01-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi
just posting a few photos of the servos , Align has the frames setup 54mm apart , so it is nice that the servos mount from the outside and that makes maintenance easy , i am running hitec HS-6635HB for the cyclic servos and the aileron and pitch servo mount directly opposite each other , with about 8mm clearence between them

looking from the outside of the frames , at one of these two servos , you see that the servo arm is about 18mm off the frame , and i didn't want the linkage to have to lean in to meet the swash , what it all meant was that to have the linkage parallel with the frame i needed to space the ball off the bottom of the arm 8mm on both these servos , so i used some 6mm alloy rod stock and center drilled it to 2mm and cut it off at 8mm long and used it to act as a spacer or standoff for the ball

the elevator servo mounts inside the frame and with the ball mounted on the top of the arm it was 4mm shy of being on the frames centerline , so it called far a 4mm spacer

the three links turned out to be 66mm long center to center , and were supplied in the kit

the stock bellcrank setup uses , 8 linkage rods , 16 ball-links and 16 balls , the bellcrank axle and bearings and three bellcranks , and assorted screws

if you figure i did use 3 linkage rods and 6 ball-links and 6 balls rods , it comes out to a little over 30 parts no longer involved in moving the swash , which is OK with me

if there had been about 8 or 9 millimeters , more room between the frame plates , i could have skipped the standoffs on the aileron and pitch servos and mounted the balls directly to the bottom of the servo arm , and that would have been nice , of course it would have been robbing Peter to pay Paul as the elevator servo would have needed a longer standoff , when i first saw that i would need standoffs to get the linkages parallel , i was a bit disappointed , but after looking at it and working with it , i have gotten used to it , and it seems like an OK trade off , being a narrower frame and easy maintenance

the Century CNC servo arms are probably a bit of overkill , but they are hell for stout , and you sure don't see any flexing , here are some photos , the last one is a shot at the elevator servo , with full down pitch , to show the 3mm of clearance between the servo arm and the clutch bearing case , i can honestly attribute this to good old dumb luck , cheers , dana

02-02-2008 12:49 AM
 
 
jfint
Senior Heliman
Location: Simi Valley, CA

How are you gonna do the tail boom? just use the belt version of the trex with a custom belt, or maybe a raptor 90 belt. I'm really intrigued by how simple this is looking to build, as helicopters go anyway.
02-02-2008 04:44 AM
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Invrted1
Veteran
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

That is absolutely beautiful!! I like the fact that the servo geometry is perfect. That is the coolest heli you (I) could want...Really nice work.
02-02-2008 05:04 AM
 
 
jfint
Senior Heliman
Location: Simi Valley, CA

Will the blade grips hold larger blades?

I recently had a set of plastic 450 blade grips explode in mid air just hovering at high head speed so this thought is fresh in my mind.
02-02-2008 05:11 AM
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Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Hi Dana
The servo geometry looks good, I’m thinking if you had used plastic servo arms there might be some flexing where the spacers mount.
02-02-2008 10:51 AM
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copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi jfint
running a longer boom and blades was an option talked about to compensate for the lower gearing i have , but a longer belt was proving as hard to find as the mod 0.7 pinion , if i had a pro kit it would be easy to extend the tail boom , but i have the sport kit , there is a thread in the Align forum where they are running a stretch kit on the 600n though

the long and the short of it is i will be running the stock belt and either 600mm or 620mm main blades , i like the idea of seeing if a smaller 50 sized gasser would be viable , so i'm am jumping in , with about as stock a kit as i can ( other than the power train )

hi Invrted1
thanks , the geometry looks good , you have to see the swash move , it looks great

hi Peter
yes , the long standoffs , would be a problem with standard plastic arms i think , probably not for plastic wheels though , as wheels have less tendency to flex , another thing to think about , the servos output shaft is on two bearings , i believe they are on either side of its drive gear , and with the standoff under the arm , puts the ball on the same plane as the gear , zero twist servo arms work this way , by moving the ball closer to the plane of the arms spline , i feel it is better to move the ball in the direction of the gears plane than to have it move the other way , i suppose it is splitting hairs though , and that i could be all wet with my logic , i know there have been whole threads on it posted before



there are things that work out great on some kits , and things that are not so great , it is like this with every design , and this idea of using longer stand offs to bring the linkages in to parallel is one of those issues i worried about with this kit , and tried to address in my post above , the tradeoff of

having the linkage rods lean in to reach the swash , might not be that bad , but i like to see the geometry of the swash linkage rods being all three parallel to each other

and having the servos mounted from inside the frame would bring two of the servo arms in close enough to not need the standoffs , at the expense of a wider frame with harder maintenance and a longer standoff on the elevator

so using the standoffs seemed to be the lesser of the three evils , and i think that using the CNC servo arms , compensated for the issues of the arms flexing

what's funny is , once i saw the arms and standoffs in place , and watched the servos and swash travel though full throw , i pretty much relaxed that the standoffs were an issue

with the alloy frames done , and the servos in place , it hit me that i had not verified the clearance between the elevator servo arm and the clutch case , and it was looking like it was going to be bad news , as i could see the arm was swinging by the plane the top of the case used in the drawings , so i was installing the case and thinking "oh my god , i have totally blown this " , and of course , dumb luck , the arm swings past by about 2 or 3mm , i got lucky

thanks guys , i really appeciate all the support and interest , dana
02-02-2008 12:59 PM
 
 
Invrted1
Veteran
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Speaking of wider frames, I am wondering how that affects the canopy, does the stock one still fit with proper clearance? Not that it really matters, those of us wanting one probably won't care what canopy it needs
02-02-2008 06:49 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Invrted1
i haven't had a chance to try the canopy yet , i am thinking the standoffs for the canopy will have to be moved from the stock locations , so i haven't drilled them yet , they are about the last thing on the list as all the other electronics need to be installed first , but with the frame only being 15mm taller overall , i am still hopefull the stock canopy will fit , i will post photos , one way or the other when i get that far , it might just need a radical trim job , dana
02-02-2008 06:59 PM
 
 
Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Take a look at the 700,



http://www.thetrexforums.com/?topic...g35698#msg35698
02-03-2008 12:03 AM
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copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hey is it Fixer or fixit ?
LOL , Peter if i get 700 fever it's going to be your fault , you could have waited till i was finished with the 600 , thanks , it looks pretty cool , i have to be carefull not to look to close , thanks again , dana
02-03-2008 12:19 AM
 
 
Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Well it's fixit to my friends

I thought at the speed you work you might be in need of a new project pretty soon

fixerit
02-03-2008 12:27 AM
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Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Anyway Dana I don’t care what the 700 looks like, there’s only one Heli I fancy and that’s the 600 Super G
Peter
02-03-2008 12:30 AM
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