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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Align 600N gasser conversion
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Juan
thanks , i just have to tape the camera to my head , thanks again , dana
04-14-2008 10:29 PM
 
 
JMD
Heliman
Location: Temple City CA

Dana:

Great job glad you got to fly some. Sounds like you design and engine are doing fine. Are you still running the 20 tooth and what headspeed are you running. I got mine out this weekend and flew a few tanks and I have to say this will be a great heli when all the minor bugs are worket out. I was running 1200 head speed to keep the revs down on the engine and it was a good test for the smaller fan I am using because it was about 95 deg. here in LA on Sun. and the heli temps were prety good at 220 F. Do you know what your temps are.
Upgrading my my new frames and will test this weekend also should have the new gears to try.

On goes the fun.

Great job keep it fun.

Jack
04-14-2008 10:40 PM
 
 
jackheli
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver - Canada

JMD,

forgot to ask: what muffler are you using and how does it perform? seems much lighter than the Torpedo.



Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new - Albert Einstein
04-14-2008 11:12 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Jack
thanks , 95 in LA is a great test , if it is going to overheat you are in the right place to find out , i have a small infrared temp sensor , but didn't think to have it out after i landed , i was carefull to watch the tank , and just letting my adrenaline drop back onto the chart , i am still running the 20 tooth , when i setup my curves a few weeks ago , i believe i had 12,500 rpm and a headspeed of just under 1500 , today i had my pitch curves reduced and my throttle increased a touch to let the engine spin a little faster with a higher headspeed , but i didn't take time to tach it , i am guessing i am running the G-20 at around 13,000 now , which should be a headspeed just over 1500 , i am running on some advice that the G-20 with its short stroke is happy to spin , i know Zenoah rates it for 8,500 to 9,500 spinning a prop , and i am thinking since it is gear reduced 8.5 to 1 , i can allow it to spin a bit faster in this application , this is one of the reasons i want to burn some fuel through the system and see if i am guessing correctly , or making a mistake , dana
04-14-2008 11:40 PM
 
 
Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Well it sounds as though you’re both having a ball with this project and yes I’m jealous as hell but at least we get to hear all about it on this supper thread and that is priceless in my book.

Dana, I might be way off the mark but is a gasser engine the same as a nitro when it comes to power band? What I’m getting at is how would you know when the engine is revving to high and out of its power band or would the engine just keep going and destroy itself, I’m intrigued to know how you know when the head speed is at its peak.
04-15-2008 12:14 AM
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copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Peter
i was happy to answer quickly , i said " i don't know " , ( Samuel Clemens )

i am just taking some info i recieved and hoping it is correct , i feel the source was very good though , i know the engine is balanced for a certain speed and i am probably over it at this point , and you get into the problem , whether you are overspinning the engine or not , a big part of my reasoning ( and i could be wrong ) is that the G-20 has the same piston as the G-231 , but the G-20 has a shorter stroke , so i am thinking that since a 231 is alright to 12,500 RPM , that the 20 with it's shorter stroke should be OK to this speed in a heli application also , and that running the engine up in it's power band is less strain than loading it in the lower section of its band , again i am guessing and crossing my fingers , so although it may be a fools parade , it is a starting point , over working the engine , by either lugging it or overspeeding it , i believe will overheat it , and this is what to keep an eye on , we had temps of about 40 degrees here today

my whole setup to find a starting point for the throttle curve , back before i left on vacation , was to peg an aero tach in the ground pointing straight up , and set the pitch curve to 3 degrees of pitch straight across , and with the TX in the throttle screen , i ran the machine up while watching the readout on the tach , i was not sure the engine and stock gearing would allow me to reach 1500 headspeed , but it was no problem and once there i noted the throttle input percentage so i could use it as a starting point for a throttle curve , then for hover it was just a matter of programming the pitch curve so it would give about 5 or 6 degrees of pitch at that point ,

i am not saying this is the way to do any of this , i am just saying this is what i did , to get a handle on what was going on with the machine

anyway this let me hover about a meter off the ground in my backyard for a few minutes , and at that point it was land while you are still ahead and take it inside for a carefull post flight

after that , while i was waiting for weather here in Rochester , i took the time and my pitch gauge and spent some time setting up a normal and idle up 1 and 2 , using the throttle input i knew gave me 1500 headspeed and bumping the throttle curves up a bit and the pitch curves down a bit from what i had used to hover the first day

today was the first time i got to fly these curves and they are closer but i still want to work on them , like i posted above a cooler head would have been taching and temping , but i was overtaken , by the drive to just get it in the air

my thinking was it flew for a few minutes in the backyard and nothing came loose that was supose to be tight , and nothing got tight that was supose to be loose , the gears looked new and the muffler was still tight , so today i wanted to put the tank of fuel through it to see that this would all stay true , and i am seeing that it is shaking down fine , hopefully i will get a chance again tomorrow , and i will have my tach and temp sensor handy , thanks again , dana
04-15-2008 12:59 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

I love reading about the progress Dana, it is cool to read how you go about your business.

I think we are entering a whole new world with the 20cc motor in a heli. You may be just the person to find out what will work.

I know the car guys and boat guys run the motors much harder than we do (rpm wise) so maybe we are just way to conservative.

we can never have too many, can we ?
04-15-2008 01:08 AM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi ozace

thanks , i have heard the boat guys are up just under 20,000 RPM , they are water cooled , but still that is screaming , i would love to know what horse power they are getting at those speeds , thanks again , dana
04-15-2008 01:22 AM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi
got another tank and a half in today , of course i left my tach on the desk , but i was able to get some temp readings , the exhaust flange on the block is about all i could get at , the fins are pretty well buried by the shroud , so shooting the flange gave me between 170 and 180 degrees , the clutch was reading 72 degrees so i am guessing it isn't slipping , i am hot to get back out and tach it , hopefully later this week , dana

04-15-2008 04:31 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi
made it out to the field again this morning , i have my curves pretty well setup , managed to bring the tach today , and it is now flying well with a 1500 RPM headspeed

the last two days i had made the assumption that it was still all setup from before vacation , and at one point yesterday i realized i was hovering at near full stick , of course it wasen't till the drive home that it hit me " HEY! that would be full pitch too " ) LOL , so last night i sat down with the pitch guage and the notes i made at the field , and in going over the pitch curves i saw , that they were somewhat skewed from how i remember setting them , i remember setting it up -13 ~ +13 , but when i went over them last night they were -16 ~ +10 , and i could see it was from setting or resetting the subtrims to level the swash a few weeks ago , so long story short , it turns out i was hovering at about +8 degrees pitch , it didn;t take me long to put it together that i must not have been any where near 1500 RPM either , with 8 degrees of pitch

so today i get out there and i am loaded for bear as they say , i've got temp guage , tachometer , notepad , and i write down all my settings for my curves and reset the pitch to 4 degrees straight across , and the throttle so it goes from 0 to 75 in a nice straight line , and putting the TX in the throttle screen , with a tach setup to read the headspeed , i am able to slowly spin it up and at 1500 RPM , i look at the throttle input percentage , now i have something to work with and shut it all down and back to the bench to reset the curves with this new point of reference , i head back out at the flight line , and the difference was night and day , i could tell the engine was clocking a bit faster and i could really hear the blades were spinning faster and of course with the higher headspeed it was flying a lot better

this was the third time i have been to the field since last season , and my thumbs are still rusty when it comes to pushing the sticks on a machine larger than a 450 , add to that with my adrenaline levels off the chart , and my heart was running circles in my chest it felt like it was trying to climb up my throat into my mouth , and you can appreciate all i was managing was a 2 meter hover , but i was on the third tank in as many days and grinned the whole way home

tomorrow my wife has the car , so i will go over the machine with a fine tooth comb , and with any luck i hope to be back at the field friday , dana

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04-16-2008 05:01 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

As some might say....

Man-oh-man-oh-man!

You need to get this machine into capable hands so you can see what it can do. Get in the car and drive it up this way and I'll be glad to give it a run for you. I promise you'll be with one of the safest pilots in the NE and no pilot error harm will ever come to your machine!

Then we can speed up this process as otherwise if you've only been to the field 3 times this year....well, I've been to my field 3 times within the last week!

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
04-16-2008 05:41 PM
 
 
rbortElite Veteran - Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A. -
You need some "builder" / "flyer" confidence like this!







-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
04-16-2008 08:02 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Raja
i'll count myself as lucky , if i'm ever half the pilot you are , dana
04-16-2008 08:42 PM
 
 
Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

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i'll count myself as lucky , if i'm ever half the pilot you are , dana

Dana
I think you are but you just haven’t found it within yourself yet
04-16-2008 10:58 PM
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ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Progress sounds good. It must be a wonderful felling taking something you have made to the field and seeing it fly (and come home in one piece).

we can never have too many, can we ?
04-16-2008 11:53 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

thanks guys

it is funny , monday and tuesday it wasen't so bad , but today for whatever reason , i was ready to jump right out of my socks , thanks again , dana
04-17-2008 12:24 AM
 
 
victor55ca
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver BC

A turbine camera ship, man thats alot of money in the air. Pucker factory could be an issue.

Vince
04-17-2008 06:29 PM
 
 
Pre-Mix
Senior Heliman
Location: Thailand

0.7 mod gear source

Hi Guys,
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yes i really need a 27 tooth pinion , and the stock is 20 , with 12,500 at the engine , the 20 is only going to give me around 1500 RPM on the head , which is just about a good sport setting , but too low for 3D , the 27 tooth would give it around 2000 RPM headspeed and i think it would of course bring it to life , if i could source a 27tooth MOD 0.7 pinion I would be a happy camper , but not having been able to find it so far , it was either give up and wring my hands , or plow ahead with the 20 and see what turns up , thanks again , dana

I too am working on a unique project and had some trouble finding the gears I needed.......until I found this place http://www.ondrives.com/main.asp If they don't have it, they will make it at a very reasonable price with extraordinary customer service. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

regards, Johan

*186,000 miles per second...ITS NOT JUST A GOOD IDEA---ITS THE LAW*
04-19-2008 02:58 PM
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copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi Johan
thank you for the link , i appreciate the info , there are a few companies i have come across , but the more options for sourcing the pinion the better , thanks again , dana
04-19-2008 04:34 PM
 
 
Fixit
Key Veteran
Location: UK

04-19-2008 05:07 PM
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