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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > Octane Dominator 20
 
 
Fenestron
Heliman
Location: Denton, Md.

Is anyone flying a Octane 20 Dominator.
01-13-2008 08:46 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

I'd love to, let me know when you find some one that can.

we can never have too many, can we ?
01-14-2008 06:52 AM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

There are folks flying them. They fly especially well when assembled correctly......

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
01-14-2008 01:30 PM
 
 
Stick Twanger
Heliman
Location: Honeoye Falls, NY

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There are folks flying them. They fly especially well when assembled correctly......

Cool! Show me.
01-14-2008 02:40 PM
 
 
Chris Paul
Heliman
Location: Coopersburg, PA

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I'd love to, let me know when you find some one that can.

I would suggest talking to people who are flying them, they can give you the info you need. Unfortunately some people just feel the need to spew useless garbage on this forum.
01-14-2008 03:11 PM
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geker
Senior Heliman
Location: lykens,PA

i have one i didn't get a chance to actually get ir in the air yet i did run the motor a few times now on the ground with the blades set to zero pitch, seams to me that it has a lot of power i never got above 1/2 throttal and those blades where moving.. the main gears where extreamly noisy at first but they have gotta alot quiter now. hopfully i will get a chamce to test fly it this comingt weekend if the weather is nice.
01-14-2008 10:45 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

Geker, the gears are a little noisy at first, but they will settle in nicely. I've got over 50 hours on my OD26 and the gears look just fine. It's a good ship, hope your first flights go well.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
01-14-2008 11:30 PM
 
 
ozghost1952
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Flying the Octane Dominator 20

I am flying this specific machine and loving it . It took me a while to get it running reliably to a point where I can now fly every weekend till I too tired to fly or I run out of gas! I don’t believe in fairy stories about gears settling in – so I got a new pinion made – and it ran smooth as from the first use. It has plenty of power, is rock steady and will soon be transferred into a BK117 scale model.

A recent upgrade was to use the BMCA EI unit (from a separate 4.8v AA pack) as this is lighter and draws much less current than the Zenoah EI unit allowing extended flying time. See : http://bcmaengines.com/Ignitions.htm.

I am waiting for QWW to test fly my Sport Head before returning it to replace the Raptor 90 head I am currently using

Jeff
01-15-2008 12:10 AM
 
 
JuanRodriguez
Elite Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

Oz,

Any chance you can get some video posted ??
01-15-2008 12:17 AM
 
 
ozghost1952
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

I will try to get some video footage this weekend - will need to do some research on how to load it on the forum - please be patient!

Jeff
01-15-2008 12:23 AM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

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I don’t believe in fairy stories about gears settling in

Well I guess fairy stories comes in fours.......I've been involved in 4 builds with all the same results. I don't believe in having to make a new pinion with all of the ones that I have had were fine... to each their own.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
01-15-2008 12:36 AM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

Oz,

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad you have you machine flying to your liking. It's just that I have built 3 QWW machines myself without issue with the gears. I have also helped with the builds for 3 of my friends that didn't have issues with the gears either. Just set the mesh as prescribed in the instructions by using a doubled notebook sheet of paper and then hover them a little. I would get a little white powder to start with on the first tank, and then all settled in. All machines running the same gears after many, many hours of use. So, fairy stories they are not.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
01-15-2008 12:48 AM
 
 
ozghost1952
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

I withdraw my offer to post a video - get ShuttlePilot the expert to post videos of his and his friends machines using folded pieces of paper to get incorrecly profiled gears to mesh

Over and out
01-15-2008 01:27 AM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

OZ, I guess since you had an "issue", that it stands for all Quicks.....give me a break. So I guess that you are the "expert". So I guess you are taking your "ball" and going home.. I haven't heard such as that since grade school. I'm truely sorry that my comments have damaged your ego, but I have stated the facts according to my experience.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
01-15-2008 01:32 AM
 
 
RaptorEngineer
Heliman
Location: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico

Never accept their faults

Oz, don't worry with Shuttle words. I found lots of "situations" in my Dom20 and shuttle NEVER accept my point; QWW only said that I don't know how assembly their models. I have Dom20, but I'm in the honeymoon period. I have other post where I will share some of my assembly "situations". As soon I feel comfortable with my model I will try to make a video of simple flight "of course".

Regards to all and QWW guys

Make ideas into realities...
01-25-2008 01:41 AM
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shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

RE,

I would like to know what faults that I wouldn't accept. Was it the one where you didn't put the screws in the swashplate that hold the center pivot in and it failed, or was it the issue that you had putting a washer in between the washout arms and the mixing base to get proper clearance which in your opinion wasn't "acceptable"? If that is what you are talking about that I would not accept, then you are right.

Like I have stated before, I guess you have to be an engineer to figure out why these helis have "issues". I just build them according to the instructions provided and fly them......so far with the 26cc 55 hours without mechanical failure. Of course I'm sure I'll hear that I recieved a "special kit" or something to that effect. It's funny because none of the guys at QWW have ever met me, and wouldn't know me if I walked in the store!!

I guess it's not the "popular" thing on this message board to buy a quick and not have an issue. I read post after post about other manufacturers helis where the builder feels that this and that need to be done to it do get it "where they want it to be". Then in these same forums you see where folks would build the same heli stock and not have an issue at all......without all of the drama that takes place in this forum.

I'm glad to help anyone who requires it and wants it, but it is the popular thing to buy a Quick heli and then try like heck to find things wrong with it and get QWW to finance the builders mistakes and then post and say "they didn't help at all". With that mentality I guess I should call up QWW and tell them to give me a new boom clamp because mine has cracked and "it should have been engineered differently" doesn't matter how longe it has been in service, or it I overtightened the crap out of it. I'll be glad to build anybody's Quick heli free of charge, just pay the shipping. If you have issues after that, then we'll talk.....seriously.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
01-25-2008 03:57 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Shuttle, all i see is you supporting this 20cc machine until you have blue fingers yet i dont recall you owning one.

The swash i recieved with my kit was one that required the screws to hold it together, yet if i used the screws the balls/links wouldnt clear the screw heads.

I just cant seem to understand why you blindly support these machines. A few of us actually paid money to play with these things (20cc specifically) if queries are raised about your beloved 26cc machine then all good and well but so far i have yet to read about one 20cc machine that has been a pleasure for its owner.

I have been told in the past that there are countless happy owners flying these machines very happily, well where are they ?.

I only know of 2 down here and the other one is owned by one of the most experienced heli operators i have ever come across. I take his posts seriously and acknowledge he has far more knowledge and experience than i do.
On all the heli forums i have visited i have not seen a single mention of the 20cc machine so all i can go on is here, where we have had several (paying) owners work like hell to make a go of it, some with a little more success than others.

Unless you are a HHI insider you have no idea of the behind the scene efforts made to get a reliable heli out of these.The constant harassment you provide to anyone who has paid for a kit and has had issues is offensive. If HHI had any plans to build a decent reputation having your kind of negative support should be activly discouraged by them.

There are some of us that took the risk , putting money down for an untried machine, we even had high hopes as this is a wonderful form factor and a new market segment. Just look at the initial posts in any of the owner threads, they are all positive and full of excitment and enthusiasm. Every single owner thread turned sour for one reason or another going all the way back to the original thread on this machine. Do you ever ask your self why ? Do you really believe that those of us that paid for the 20cc kits had an agenda ? Do you think we are silly enough to pay for a kit ,put in so much effort to make our machines flyable just to come here and post negative things?

we can never have too many, can we ?
01-25-2008 06:07 AM
 
 
Shadowfox
Senior Heliman
Location: ABQ,NM

I would think that the power to weight in a 60 sized 20cc gasser would be lacking. the heli has to weigh 10lbs +. Its disk load must be high as it is a CF/metal stacked frame.

I do agree some things on the 26cc gasser I really like, but ever since I flew a 9.5lb XCell 50 (my fault I went CNC metal crazy on it) I learned a thing or 2 about collective management.

Id like to see a vid of the 20cc.
01-25-2008 09:18 AM
 
 
RaptorEngineer
Heliman
Location: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico

be pending

hey Shuttle and QWW guys:

be pending I will post and share EVERYTHING of my "situation" and the people in the forum can evaluate if was my error or yours...

Really you DONT know anything about customer service and what is the value of sustain and recover a client.

regards

Make ideas into realities...
01-25-2008 12:04 PM
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RaptorEngineer
Heliman
Location: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico

One-one

I will try to remember all... my memories of the BAD experience during assembly my Dominator 20.

Wrong or bad parts from QWW in Dominator 20 kit:

1. swashplate DON'T have the threaded holes to sustain the main bearing ball assembly - they said that just add JB weld... first crash...
2. incorrect boom (too long), but the manual don't mention anything about correct length.
3. incorrect tail transmission - wrong boom diameter 21mm
4. BAD belt (light brown color belt lock inside the boom) replaced by black one as per request.
5. Clutch bell and motor gear broken
6. two different rear blade grips

I will continue later...



what about a $14.95 just for the two landing skids AL tubes...

these parts was replaced, but I need to pay for the return of the incorrect parts. remember that I found each situation at a time and thinking how many time I lost assembly this model (without count the time fighting with QWW to convince of their errors).

Yes!
people from QWW replace many of them, But anyone want this situation in a NEW $1000++ kit?

Irwin have 21 years of experience in this area and Clark is a real scale expert, I hope can identify all these situations and used all customer inputs to continue in the business. But QWW needs more than Shuttle and other staff fighting with the clients or potential clients.

I'm patience with QWW and try to be quiet, but I'm feel really bad when do the same on many other clients.

Make ideas into realities...
01-25-2008 12:33 PM
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