rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 762 ONLINE 19 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
1 page1030 viewsPOST REPLY
Modefo's RC Helicopters . XHELI.COM . Autography FlightPower

.
.
Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Caliber 5M Electrified!
 
 
calibermichaelHeliman - Location: Auckland, New Zealand -
Here's an idea....take a standard Caliber 3, 4 or 5 and Electrify it

A good friend of mine (obviously a frustrated heli designer) has built a brilliant engine mount which bolts into exactly the same place as the existing gas mount without modification.

We are using Hyperion motors, ESCs and Batteries. The Motor and ESC go on the new mount and then the whole assembly simply slides into place where the gas motor would be.
The battery mount goes across the frame where the fuel tank used to be and you are ready to fly

So far, depending on which of the 3 motors we have tried, we have got head speeds between 1400 and 2000 rpm. Mine is a nice sedate 1520 cause I will stick it in a scale body sometime soon.

Flight time is about 10 - 13 mins if you are doing lazy figure 8s....haven't done much more because a) I'm not up to it and b) because it only flew for the first time today

Sounds good as it starts using the super soft start option on the ESC and no smoke!!!....not to mention no clean up afterwards etc.

I might give up Gas helis for good

Cheers

Michael




01-13-2008 08:36 AM
 
 
Dwight
Senior Heliman
Location: West Chicago, IL

Looks like a nice conversion. The Caliber lends itself well to the electric conversion due to the gear reduction system.
01-13-2008 03:24 PM
 
 
heli-cuzz
Veteran
Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

That's awesome. I still prefer the nitro sound, smell, and smoke.
What size battery are you using?
Does the electified version weigh any less?
How's the cg with the weight of the battery in place of the fuel tank?

Life Rotors On!!!
01-13-2008 08:09 PM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Hey Cuzz,

Battery is a 4300mAH 6 cell

Weighs a lttle less than a fully fueled model....no muffler, clutch, no fuel, no tank and the motor is a little lighter than the gas one.

C of G is a little aft of centre but not too bad....just a little forward trim solved this for my type of flying. I have avoided puting weight in the nose because it would probably reduce flying time a little. Hovers at chest height hands off so it can't be too bad.

Cheers

Michael
01-13-2008 09:01 PM
 
 
heli-cuzz
Veteran
Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

Sounds sweet.
Any vids of your Caliber5M electric?
I like the in-flite pic you posted.

Life Rotors On!!!
01-14-2008 12:57 AM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

No vids as yet....I'll try to do one over the next few days. Won't be exciting as my flying skills aren't like yours (I've seen your pics and vids.

Cheers
Michael
01-14-2008 01:55 AM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Dwight,

You are correct...the gear ratio is the same as the standard Caliber. Just a case of getting the right pulley for the belt with the same number of teeth on the right spindle size.

Cheers
Michael
01-14-2008 01:59 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Nice conversion. Kyosho calls it the EP700...

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/...oduct_id=103149

I, too, believe the Caliber series lends itself very well to an E conversion.

-----

* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
01-14-2008 04:14 AM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Yeah Dave....We knew that was coming.

I guess it was an opportunity to use eany existing Caliber 3, 4 or 5 (or 30 we think although we haven't tried one) and if you were sick of fuel, smell, cleaning etc a gas version you might want to take the faithful caliber and electrify it.

Also as you will see in the video later it is very quiet so you won't annoy the neighbors too much.

We have a 3, 2 4s and 4 5s electrified so far. One guy is doing some 3D I think. So we have proven the concept

I'll still take a look at the EP700 when it comes out but for now I am getting good flying time (13 mins 50 sec last flight) and a lot of fun already.

Cheers

Michael
01-14-2008 07:47 AM
 
 
heli-cuzz
Veteran
Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

Quote 
No vids as yet....I'll try to do one over the next few days. Won't be exciting as my flying skills aren't like yours (I've seen your pics and vids.

I look forward to seeing a vid and more stills if possible.
Fly at your own pace. I'm not one to care who is a better pilot than the other. We're all in this together, we are heli pilots. I just love watching helis fly no matter what type of flite they're performing.
Thanks for the compliments, Michael.

Life Rotors On!!!
01-14-2008 01:35 PM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

OK,

Heres an edited video... I wouldn't want to bore everyone for nearly 14 mins...camera work is shonky, flying is shonky...sounds good...nice day tho It was a bit breezy...total flight time 13 mins 51.



Cheers

Michael
01-14-2008 11:20 PM
 
 
Dwight
Senior Heliman
Location: West Chicago, IL

Very Nice! What is the head speed?
01-14-2008 11:41 PM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Running 1520 at the moment....you may have noticed that as I turned downwind there was a bit of sink so I might try 1620 or so next flight. Using the Hyperion ESC in its "governor mode" you can effectively dial up a head speed by setting a flat throttle curve from 20% stick to 100% stick.

sounds good too

Cheers

michael
01-14-2008 11:47 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Don't know where the video went, just a huge post with a lot of white space in it.

ooooh, I reloaded the page a couple of times, the video appeared. Whee.....

But, this looks like something I could do to the Caliber 30 I have that still has an OS 32 in it.

I can't imagine that whipping up a motor mount would be difficult, and a source of S3M pulleys shouldn't be hard to come by.

-----

* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
01-15-2008 01:29 AM
 
 
heli-cuzz
Veteran
Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

Thanks for the vid, michael. Awesome!

Sounds and looks great and just shy of a fourteen minute flite.

Life Rotors On!!!
01-15-2008 04:32 AM
 
 
calibermichael
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Dave,

That sounds like a worthwhile project

My friend is about to do another run of engine mounts. PM me if you are at all interested.

Cheers

Michael
01-15-2008 04:39 AM
 
 
balbs
Key Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Wow, people have always commented on how quiet the Caliber is...not it just got quietter...

What's the setup on the one guy doing 3D on?

Balbs
01-15-2008 07:39 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Looking at the EP700 specs, and assuming that the heli uses the same 50-tooth pulley on top of the countershaft, and the Caliber 4's 15-tooth pinion and 70-tooth main gear, it would appear that Kyosho has chosen to use either an 18 or 19-tooth pulley on the motor shaft.

I'm guessing the 18-tooth pulley since Kyosho always seems to be a bit off when calculating reduction ratios. And, you can't easily buy a 19-tooth S3M100 pulley.

A Misumi USA pulley, PN HTPA18SM3100BP5 would do the trick, and allow you to use the Align 600XL motor with a KV of roughly 1600. Assuming that the batteries are wired in a 6S configuration and assuming about an 80% efficiency, a head speed of nearly 2200 RPM max would be achievable. That would give a governor some headroom to work with should you set your governed RPM in the 1800 - 2000 RPM range, and would make this a heli that would be a joy to fly.

The motor, along with an 80 amp ESC would fill the bill nicely.

-----

I'd like to give either a Caliber 4 modification a run for the money, or beg to be a beta site for the EP700....

-----

* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
01-16-2008 06:31 AM
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

Dave,

A few years ago I did a Caliber30 electric conversion along similar lines as you described above.

The motor was a Hacker listed at 1578kV but was using the Cal30's gearing. I used a 12tooth pinion to keep the head speed around 2200. Back then I used 24nickel cells which is between 7-8Lipos and a 60amp Kontronic ESC.

Here's some pics;



I didn't bother trying to find a Metric S3M pinion. The HTD tooth pattern is very similar and comes in a bunch of sizes from SDPsi.



I did have to bore the shaft hole to 5mm though. I also re-drilled and tapped the set screw hole for a larger set screw. At first you could feel a tiny bit of "notchiness" but after the first flight everything wore in and is now very smooth. If you're going to do it, don't get wrapped around the axle over getting a S3M pulley.
_________________________________________________

Although the heli flew it was pretty heavy and back then good Lipos were terribly expensive so I put the heli on the shelf.

To tell the truth, and I've thought about this alot over the years, I really don't see the point of the gasser Cal variants as electric. Other than the fact that you'd be flying a Kyosho, there are much better electric specific airframes to choose from...... especially in a 6cell Lipo configuration. I've got a 550mm Century Swift that is much lighter than any gas Cal variant would be. The lightness combined with longer flight times makes for better flying and reduced equipment wear and tear.

Even the guys with Align 600s, on 6 cells, will tell you that you must have the best batterys if you want them to last. Unless all you want to do is piddle around, 60-80amps tears the heck out of run of the mil Lipos and even those are not cheap.
_____________________________________________________

In no way am I saying converting the gas Cals is not a worthy endevor but I would advise you go for a set-up that uses 8 or more cells (550-570mm blade), or preferably, a 10-12 cell (600-620mm blade)set-up. Your amp draw will go down enough that your batteries will last and the extra power will make up for the weight. Also the sturdiness of the gas Cal frame could then be more justified. When or If I take my conversion off the shelf, this is the set-up I'm going with.
______________________________________________________

What I really think Kyosho should do if they want the 6-cell market is to design a specific electric heli or at least a lighter weight, electric specific frame for the gas Cal mechanics.

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
01-23-2008 08:17 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

S3M pulleys are easy to get, drilled to the correct bore, and in decent sizes (numbers of teeth), and with 4mm set screws. Relatively inexpensive, as well. Misumi USA has an nice on-line catalog and nice on-line ordering system, and they will ship one-sy two-sy orders.

Converting my oldest Caliber 30 -- getting rid of the OS 32 SX, and perhaps keeping it to experiment with aerial video -- would be an interesting and fairly straightforward task.

I like your motor mount. Simple, easy, and nothing to it. It's something I could crank out with simple tools, no machine tools required.

-----

* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
01-24-2008 12:24 AM
 
 
1 page1030 viewsPOST REPLY
Advantage Hobby . Revolution Models . CarbonXtreme

.
.
Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Caliber 5M Electrified!
 PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Monday, December 1 - 7:05 pm - Copyright © 2000 - 2008 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie