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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > First stunt?
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

I am done with piros left and right 3-5 rotations and Ive done minor stall turns not quite vertical. I am thinking of my next trick. Is it like planes the first is a loop? If so how quick does the king loop is it a 20 or 30 ft loop or 10'. I dont think Im ready to roll but never know.

Canton MO backyard flying club
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01-06-2008 12:53 AM
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jwhitacre
Key Veteran
Location: Creighton,PA- US

Back during my BCPP days I did a loop first(after a few tries:rolleyes and then got ok with that. After that I got cocky one day and tried a roll. Well I got 3/4 of the way through it and then got freaked and dumb thumbed my way right into the ground That's when I decided to just work on making my flying more scale looking. I still do stall turns and loops but that's about it for me. Oh well enough of me ranting about my flying I'd say go for the loop first. By the way, when is the Ranger coming

Depleting the world of parts, one crash at a time!!
01-06-2008 01:08 AM
 
 
eggmcmuffinplz
Key Veteran
Location: Valencia, CA

A flip was my first.

Super Auto Master Scott
Rexy 450 and 500-DX7
01-06-2008 01:10 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

ranger should be in the mail ordered direct from darth. How big are the loops on the king? And what kind of flips are you referring to mcmuffin?

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-06-2008 01:23 AM
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Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Awesome, great to be at the point of moving on from the basic orientations. I'm still a ways off from this point but I can't help pondering this a lot of thought myself.

In preparation I've been trying a few things on the sim that will be both interesting and not that much of a stretch skill wise from the 4 orientions. Here are my candidates in order of preference.

1) Stationary back flip - In a hover, add a little collective to start some upward movement. Pull the cyclic all they way back. As the nose starts to come up reduce the collective so that by the time the nose is pointed at the sky you are almost to 0 degrees. Start adding in negative collective so that by the time the heli is almost inverted, you are close to full negative pitch. As the nose is pointing straight down, start to move back toward positive pitch. If its done correctly, you end up right where you started and haven't moved at all forward/back or side to side. In the sim I can't get the exit timing right and always seem to be to hard on the positive pitch, and late correcting. What usally happens is the heli zooms backward. If there's enough room and altitude, there's plenty of time to correct.

2) The basic roll with forward motion - Get some forward motion. Not a lot is needed. Just enough to keep you moving. Add some right cyclic while at the same time reducing the collective to 0. The forward motion will keep you moving. As you go inverted keep the right cyclic on hard. If you are decending at this point you can add a little negative collective. Be quick with it because you don't want any pitch as the heli starts to come up. Start adding positive pitch as the heli returns to the upright position. If you've done it correct, your heli will have not changed course from when you entered the roll and will have appeared to pivot around the nose of the heli. This is my last selection because


3) Loop - The correct definition of a loop as I've read is to enter the bottom of the loop with a fair amount of speed. Pull up, not too much an start your assent. Toward the top optionally pull back to zero pitch or add some negative pitch. As the heli rounds the circle and comes back toward the ground pull back on the cyclic to make the bottom of your loop nice and round. If you've done it correctly, your loop was a perfect circle and your exit was the same point as your entrance. If you get it wrong, you've pulled out too quickly and made a nine, or you've misjudged the ground and now have a broken heli. On the face of it, this appears to be an easy maneuver. However, because of amount of speed and momentumn required to carry up over the top, this ends up being a risky move. Of all the moves I'm listing here, this one is the only one I crash on and its usually very horrific. BTW, the crash model in Phoenix is very fun and reacts differently to momentum. Hit the ground at speed and parts going flipping and flying all over the place.

Bare in mind I'm just paraphasing a dozen or so tutorials combined with some SIM experience. Some day I may be able to say I've done it.
01-06-2008 02:00 AM
 
 
slider46
rrProfessor
Location: Gloversville, NY

Doing a stationary flip In my opinion is alot easier than a loop... With a flip you just have the forward or back cyclic and positive to negitive back to positive pitch changes to deal with.. Get some altitude and give it a try.... you can flip forward backwards left or right.... I think they are the next step to boost your skill level...
Loops if done correctly are cool but can get pretty ugly if you try to do a 10' loop and you end up with a 30' loop......

Tom..... No "D" flying....
01-06-2008 02:04 AM
 
 
jwhitacre
Key Veteran
Location: Creighton,PA- US

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Loops if done correctly are cool but can get pretty ugly if you try to do a 10' loop and you end up with a 30' loop
Tell me about itI've fudged up a few. Oh one more trick that I can do(which isn't many) if you get into trouble doing a loop or realize it's going to be too big, roll the heli over at the top and presto...you did an immelman turn. Yeah I know it's an airplane move but what can I say, I flew planes long before I got into helis so the limited aerobatics I can do with a heli I kinda brought over from flying planes

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01-06-2008 02:19 AM
 
 
slider46
rrProfessor
Location: Gloversville, NY

That is where I got my tricks from too flying pattern air planes along time ago early 70's....

Tom..... No "D" flying....
01-06-2008 02:28 AM
 
 
jwhitacre
Key Veteran
Location: Creighton,PA- US

Glad to see I'm not the only one

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01-06-2008 02:30 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Yeah Im a plane person and a plain person. So my aerobatics are on a different plane therefore I forget the tricks that can be done with a heli. I guess a flip would be easier considering not much forward movement needed.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-06-2008 02:33 AM
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slider46
rrProfessor
Location: Gloversville, NY

I think most every heli pilot has some experience with planes as they are cheap to get into but you need alot of room to fly them like a club field. I think the helis offer a chance to fly in a smaller area and that is what has drawn us all into this addiction....

Tom..... No "D" flying....
01-06-2008 02:37 AM
 
 
ragtop
Senior Heliman
Location: salt lake city, utah, usa

ive never flown planes because of the space needed. helis fly anywhere! and they are quiet, relitivly enexpensive (my wallet and lack if funds keeps me conservitive) and its an attention getter.

I wish I was good at this
01-06-2008 02:43 AM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

so TRYAN have you decided your next stunt?????....tomorrow I'm gonna try a stationary flip with the HBK....I'll let you know how it goes....I may even have a cameraman too

PerformancePlusRC field rep
TT Mini Titan
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Futaba FASST
01-06-2008 02:46 AM
 
 
slider46
rrProfessor
Location: Gloversville, NY

Tomorrow is going to be a great day.... 2 guys going for the first stunt With possible video....

Tom..... No "D" flying....
01-06-2008 02:49 AM
 
 
jwhitacre
Key Veteran
Location: Creighton,PA- US

OOOOOOOHHHHH video, YES!!! Always a pleasure watching your vids fender, keep em coming! Now you guys are pushing me to do something cool with the 500E. I'm still getting aquainted to this bird with the fuse but maybe a loop or two tomorrow(it will take about that long to convince myself its a good idea:rolleyes

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01-06-2008 02:50 AM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

I've already successfully looped and hovered inverted

PerformancePlusRC field rep
TT Mini Titan
HBK2
Futaba FASST
01-06-2008 02:51 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

No stunt for me tomorrow I still need a little more nose in practice in case I accidentally end up that way. But I think the stationary backflip will be the easiest as far as stick movements and a space saver. I am just getting tired of figure 8's I was actually flying them today down the sidewalk in front of my house not even looking at the heli so I could see if cars or people were coming. Not safe but when a foot of snow melts in one day it really leaves for a sloppy mess everywhere the ballfield I fly in is a disaster.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-06-2008 02:58 AM
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tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Just make sure you start with plenty of altitude... otherwise .

Even with a "stationary" flip, I suggest that you start with a little forward speed. This will help you with orientation as you go through the manouver, and help establish direction as you complete the move.

Happy flying!
01-06-2008 03:02 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

I planned on doing it going away from me slowly tail in HEHEHE.
Good Idea?

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
01-06-2008 03:04 AM
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tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Yes. Make sure you are far enough away that you will not end up over your head.

Just pull back on the cyclic and give it negative collective as it flips (oh yeah - make sure you are in idle-up!)...

The HBK2 can probably do a loop with no change in collective. You would only need some fair forward speed, nice height, go full throttle and pull back full on the cyclic (fairly quickly). Result should be a loop with little loss of altitude...
01-06-2008 03:14 AM
 
 
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