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Radio - Futaba FASST > FUTABA 12FGH 2.4 ARE NOW AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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I just checked the 6014 rx specs and they don't mention anything about g3 2048 resolution... just as the 7ch rx... I wonder if now in 2.4Ghz mode, all rx have high resolution and there isn't any difference apart from the number of channels available.

Here is what the Tower description says:

"Futaba advanced technology allows this receiver to be the first 2.4GHz receiver able to utilize all 14 channels. It retains G3 2048 resolution and Futaba Real Time Response from the 72MHz version."

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...P?&I=LXRTS7&P=V

01-03-2008 10:59 PM

Droid
Elite Veteran
Location: Deep down in the Southwest- UK

Also shows restricted shipping to the US and Canada.......

01-03-2008 11:58 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Yes but I doubt tower knows more than Futaba... I've checked all futaba related sites and none of them mentions any diference between the 6014 and the other recievers in terms of resolution. If you look at futabas "performance" chart, it announces an incredible resolution of 32768 steps instead of the 4096 step of the competition... 8x the resolution.

The more I research, the more I'm convinced that the resolution is now equal for all rx

Tony

PS - Thx for the update on the 8ch rx... seems now as a great alternative

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01-04-2008 12:38 AM

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Kinger
Elite Veteran
Location: Columbus, OH

Somebody needs to send their tranny, module, a 14 channel rec and an 8 channel rec to JKOS for some definitive testing

01-04-2008 01:12 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Somebody needs to send their tranny, module, a 14 channel rec and an 8 channel rec to JKOS for some definitive testing

Yes, that would be nice!

01-04-2008 01:15 AM

BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

Considering that Futabarc.com and Tower are pretty much one in the same...

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http://www.jaxrc.com

01-04-2008 04:18 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Well I was informed by a Team Pilot that it seems that the 6014 is 2048 while the others are not.... HOWEVER...

1. If it were so, wouldn't Futaba blow that to all four winds so we all run and get the 14ch recievers? Remeber that the PCM G3 reciever clarely states: 2048 Resolution G3 Tecnology

2. If you go to Futaba RC or the 2.4Ghz site, they don't mention ONCE that the 6014 has 2048 resolution or that the 607/608 has a lower resolution

3. If you download the futaba Product Flyers, check out the one entitled: "Modules / Receivers 2.4GHz (1.5MB)", scroll down on the first page where you can clearly read:

"EIGHT TIMES the resolution,
for servo travel so smooth
it’s undetectable! Provides
the finesse and smoothness
of movement so that the
driver is constantly in tune
with the model."

Interesting is the fact that they show the 603FS PK... a 3 ch reciever...ok its the top for car racers but still...

My two euro cents
Tony

PS - Another talk to the pros and it seems that it does matter if you are using multichannel mode or not on the 14mz module... so the 8ch and 14ch might be 2048 and the 7ch not...

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01-04-2008 07:17 PM

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Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

I have that very question on the Futaba support site. Is the TM-14/R608FS combo in FASST MULT mode G3 or not ?

The TM-14 doesn't know what RX is out there. The same data is transmitted. The question is what does the 608 do with it.

1) Is it 2048 ?
2) Are all of the fail-safe features available ?

Krysta previously said that this combo is full G3. She is not a technical person. We need to ask Steve Helms (Mr. Futaba).

Then there is the opposite question. Is the TM-8 in 8 channel mode FASST MULT ?

I am dazed and confused.

01-04-2008 07:43 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

It is interesting how the marketing has appeared to change over time. I could have sworn the early pics of the 6014 RX had the G3 logo on them, yet the latest pics do not have the G3 logo on them.

Even this brochure which appears to be somewhat recent makes no mention of 2048 resolution for the 6014, but it certainly does for the 5014/5114 RXs.

http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/futaba-catalog-2007.pdf

Does anyone know what the difference is between 7 channel mode and Multi-Channel mode is as shown in this chart:

http://2.4gigahertz.com/modules/modules-receivers.html

01-04-2008 08:34 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I bet they dropped the G3 because now fasst has 32K resolution... why speak of 2048 when they clearly state in their brochure "for servo travel so smooth it’s undetectable"... doesn't make sense for me.

However I spoke to a team pilot and he sais that multi channel is high resolution while normal mode isn't.

Anyway, 8ch rx is multi channel and exactly enough for my applications so I'm going with those rx's unless we find out something different in the next few days

Tony

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01-04-2008 08:59 PM

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Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Sounds like nothing more than marketing hype. Lets see what they really deliver....

01-04-2008 09:04 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Considering that Futabarc.com and Tower are pretty much one in the same...

And don't forget to add 14mz.com and 2.4gighertz.com to the list as well.

01-04-2008 09:05 PM

Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

That is exactly my point. I will only buy the 8 channel receivers if they are G3. Maybe that is why nobody will tell us ? Of course, they may not know since they aren't here yet !

Gordie Meade was testing an 8 channel prototype. Let's ask him.

01-04-2008 09:08 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

One thing for sure is the big price difference between the 7 channel FASST RXs and the 8 channel FASST RX.

01-04-2008 09:10 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

I'm curious with what appears to be a data port on the left side of the 8 channel RX as well.

01-04-2008 09:14 PM

krysta
Heliman
Location: Champaign IL

Four Stroker,

I am in fact the Lead over the technicians here at the Futaba Service Center.

As to your questions, the R6014FS is the only receiver that you will get 2048 resolution from with use of the TM-14 module.

The R608FS will not deliver 2048 resolution as even though the TM-14 is sending this data to it, it cannot decode this.

When you get the TM-8 module, the instructions will tell you to use the FASST Multi mode, but again, you will not get 2048 resolution from this.

Sincerely,
Krysta
Product Development & Support Specialist
Futaba Service Center USA

01-04-2008 09:55 PM

kcordell
Senior Heliman
Location: O Fallon, MO

It cleary states in the instructions that the data port is for service use only. Maybe some type of future upgrade/update?

Team Futaba, Miniature Aircraft Pilot, YS Engines, VelTye

01-05-2008 01:00 AM

hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Telemetry

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01-05-2008 01:08 AM

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Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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It cleary states in the instructions that the data port is for service use only.

Since mine is on backorder I don't have the instructions to read. Maybe they should have labeled it "Service Use Only" instead of "Data".

01-05-2008 01:11 AM

helirulz
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

Krysta,
Is there any difference in latency between the various 2.4G receivers or are ALL of them as fast as todays G3 receivers?

Also, do ALL the 2.4G receivers work similar to the G3 receivers in that aileron, elevator and pitch controls are transmitted together simultaneously to minimise interaction on CCPM machines...or this 'servo sync' feature only applies to the 6014FS.
I'd be curious to know if Futaba integrates this feature across the 7ch and 8ch 2.4G receivers otherwise i see more people moving towards spektrum since not many will want to fork out $$$ for a 14ch receiver where they would use only 6 or 7 channels.

01-05-2008 02:43 AM

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