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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > I nominate this as dangerous vid of the year.
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

MarkC. Congratulations, you finally got it ! You have, genuinely, laid it out so well.

You said:
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1. As RC Helicopters become more and more popular, more and more people attempt to fly them in their own yards.
2. More people attempting to fly them in their front yards results in more damages/injury innocent persons/property.
3. More damages/injury to innocent persons/property results in more claims against homeowner’s insurance policies.
4. As insurance companies gather statistics they realize that at some point it would be more cost effective to spend the money feeding lobbyists to pressure state senators and state representatives and driving media campaigns targeted toward creating local laws regulating the use of RC Helis. (It is a HELL of a lot easier to get this done at the state level first, followed by a few other states and then some other states just snowball in.)
5. With laws governing the use of RC Helis on your property in place, the homeowner’s insurance policies would no longer be required to pay claims involving RC Helicopters since their use on your private property would be constituted as “illegal activity”.


My points exactly - every single one !!! And that of many other RR members too !

With specific reference to point number#1. Do you think, just for a moment, that a video (like the one in question) featuring a brand new heli, a world class pilot, and endorsed by the Worlds`foremost heli manufacturer, could possibly encourage
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more and more people (to) attempt to fly them in their own yards.
....like a Coke commercial that causes more people to drink Coke???

MarkC, you get an A-plus and a happy face. Yes, that is condescention you are reading. But, I just cannot resist the opportunity - "the urge" - as you so eloquently put it (but without condescention I am sure).

You can take over from here MarkC. You are doing a fine job now. You finally understand precisely what we are arguing about, and now you are making our arguments for us. It simply doesn`t get any better than that.

At this point, I`d have to say my contribution is complete here. Maybe I`ll take you up on that non-condescending favour you were talking about 2 posts back (top of page 6 -last paragraph).

Cheers,

Dave
12-29-2007 06:31 AM
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

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MarkC. Congratulations, you finally got it ! You have, genuinely, laid it out so well.

Why thank you sir!

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My points exactly - every single one !!! And that of many other RR members too !
LOL Sorry! Nice try. Your point was that:
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Many politicains or lawmakers looking at that video during a court brief on RChelis (after-the-fact of some accident) will get the wrong message.
or
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Such legal precedents are already well-entrenched in Common Law. They can also ultimately lead to external regulation as the players run for cover in an attempt to avoid the Pandoras` Box of future "payouts"...insurance companies, community parks/schools, AMA...
Or whatever. But hey, if it makes you feel better you can claim you wrote those points. Be my guest.

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With specific reference to point number#1 Do you think, just for a moment, that a video (like the one in question) featuring a brand new heli, a world class pilot, and endorsed by the Worlds`foremost heli manufacturer, could possibly encourage.

No I don't. I'm afraid you will find that most folks who buy RC helis will attempt to fly them in their own back yards first simply because they feel it is the logical thing to do. Most newbies don't even know what or where RunRyder.com or JKHeli.com is until long after their first crash. The BEST guess from my buddy who runs the LHS is that only 10% of the helis he sells (20 per week ranging from Blade CXs to Raptor 90s) makes it out to the RC field. The rest gets flown at houses - especially anything 450 class on down. JK's video aint got squat to do with it. 100% of the newbies he sells helicopters would just say: "Jason who? Never heard of him."

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....like a Coke commercial that causes more people to drink Coke???

Research done by the CocaCola Bottling Company of America themselves sadly found that Coke commercials don't cause more people to drink Coke. New Coke drinkers are born into families that drink Coke. People don't run out and by Coke when they see a commercial or even run to the icebox to get one out. Do you?

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At this point, I`d have to say my work is done here. Maybe I`ll take you up on that non-condescending favour you were talking about 2 posts back (top of page 6 -last paragraph).

Well if this is all ya got left then ya may as well cause you're just shootin blanks on this one.

Adios and goodnight,

Mark C.

P.S. As crazy as it sounds... This was a fun one Thanks!
12-29-2007 07:36 AM
 
 
rchelichop
Senior Heliman
Location: Valencia

Please read the title of this forum "Safety - RC Helis are not toys" Read the beginning of most every heli manual and it will say the same thing. Tired of the lame-o excuses, this was dangerous period. I just hope newbs that read this understand this is not a toy and should be respected a heck of alot more than was demonstrated by factory Align pilot and who is supported by Align doing this type of thing.

If you think that helis are just toys and this flying is not dangerous, then please leave this thread and stop posting, this thread is for responsible modelers who actually care about keeping this hobby safe, go cheer on this type of irresponsible behavior in the Rex forums where the noobism mentality runs rampant!
12-29-2007 07:54 AM
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

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go cheer on this type of irresponsible behavior in the Rex forums where the noobism mentality runs rampant!

I would like to ask a favor of you rchelichop. I would like you go find one single sentence from any one of my posts where I am "cheering on this type of irresponsible behavior" and post it back here.
12-29-2007 07:59 AM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

rchelichop
Is Probably a Planker
12-29-2007 03:07 PM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

MarkC. For goodness sake, go back and READ all my posts. You have a VERY short memory. I assure you that these are, indeed, my points.

MarkC said:
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1. As RC Helicopters become more and more popular, more and more people attempt to fly them in their own yards.
2. More people attempting to fly them in their front yards results in more damages/injury innocent persons/property.
3. More damages/injury to innocent persons/property results in more claims against homeowner’s insurance policies.
4. As insurance companies gather statistics they realize that at some point it would be more cost effective to spend the money feeding lobbyists to pressure state senators and state representatives and driving media campaigns targeted toward creating local laws regulating the use of RC Helis. (It is a HELL of a lot easier to get this done at the state level first, followed by a few other states and then some other states just snowball in.)
5. With laws governing the use of RC Helis on your property in place, the homeowner’s insurance policies would no longer be required to pay claims involving RC Helicopters since their use on your private property would be constituted as “illegal activity”.

To the above, I simply added
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With specific reference to point number#1. Do you think, just for a moment, that a video (like the one in question) featuring a brand new heli, a world class pilot, and endorsed by the Worlds`foremost heli manufacturer, could possibly encourage more and more people (to) attempt to fly them in their own yards....like a Coke commercial that causes more people to drink Coke???


MarkC, in your attempt to refute the above, you have undeniably proved yourself to be off-of-your-rocker with this next one:
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Research done by the CocaCola Bottling Company of America themselves sadly found that Coke commercials don't cause more people to drink Coke. New Coke drinkers are born into families that drink Coke. People don't run out and by Coke when they see a commercial or even run to the icebox to get one out. Do you?


Have you noticed a scarcity of TV commercials theses days? I most certainly haven`t. Of course, people can, and do learn to buy products from many different sources - depending on the product. But, your larger assertion that companies of the world (like Coke) are spending countless of billions on advertising for absolutely nothing, is over-the-top rediculous. Now remember - sorry, but you need help in this regard - we are not really talking about Coke here! We are talking about whether a video with a celebrity pilot and an Align endorsement could possibly encourage any sort of imitation - especially in a young newbie - thus leading to the chain of consequences listed in our 5 points above. This has been my entire argument from the beginning.

Advertising has got to be one of the most researched fields of all time. Billions continue to be spent every day in order promote and ultimately sell everything.

Until now! MarkC has come along and pronounced the very premise of advertisment, and its` goals, to be false, bogus, nadda, dead ! And, he has "the research" to back it up too!

Wow. I believe that today you may have become the village idiot in the eyes of many members. And, I do not say that with any malice either. Your assertion regarding advertising is beyond the assessment of any further words. I can waste no more time on you. Clearly, I have already wasted too much effort in your hopeless direction. Not because you disagree with me, but rather because you do not comprehend what you read, nor can you stay focussed on the topic at a hand. You`ve actually forgotten what my argument was. Your "5 points" proved that beyond a doubt.

I believed/hoped I was engaged in a dialogue with a person of some intellegence, education and reason. Apparently, I have been a fool in this regard - perhaps it is me who is the "village idiot!".

See you later MarkC. I will leave you now with these "Coke Commercials" - I guess those guys aren`t reading their own research huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wt5FiZQrgM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWoLu_Hvbbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2YfUo1H4bg

In China too! But certainly NOT to actually sell Coke, right?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...367493081978705
12-29-2007 03:26 PM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

I nominate this as Dangerous Video of the year

I Found this one to be more dangerous than JK's Vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGEc...feature=related
12-29-2007 03:58 PM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

OOh OOH OH
Found another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOZ...feature=related

I'm just surprised no one ever posted these
12-29-2007 04:15 PM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

OF course the all time favourite


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxni...feature=related
12-29-2007 04:17 PM
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

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Have you noticed a scarcity of TV commercials theses days? I most certainly haven`t. Of course, people can, and do learn to buy products from many different sources - depending on the product. But, your larger assertion that companies of the world (like Coke) are spending countless of billions on advertizing for absolutely nothing, is over-the-top rediculous

No. Most folks that have done the college courses as I have know damn well that CocaCola continues to spend it countless billions (actually its around 2.5 billion in case you didn't know) in order to merely maintain their market share. Even CocaCola has done the research and admits it. They admit their ads don't draw in new customers. They admit their ads don't cause you to run to the refrigerator and grab one.

Maybe it is you who should do his research before hammering out a page full of "over-the-top ridiculous" ranting without doing your homework and calling me the "village idiot".

I was merely taking enjoyment in the fact that you chose the ABSOLUTE CRAPPEIST example by citing Coke ads. (If it were me I would have picked iPods that would have been a far better example don't you think?)

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I believed/hoped I was engaged in a dialogue with a person of some intellegence, education and reason. Apparently, I have been a fool in this regard - perhaps it is me who is the "village idiot!".

Hey! I'm not the one that was dumb enough to cite Coke ads for his example then then buffalo in a half page of BS in along with a final parting feeble attempt at an insult after it all fell apart.

That was all you baby... all you

Better luck next time.

Mark C.
12-29-2007 04:59 PM
 
 
Super D
Heliman
Location: Athens TX

I had a bunny when I was little.

Mini Titan,Raptor50 SE/Hyper
12-29-2007 05:29 PM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

MarkC.

I can see the noose you have made for yourself tightening further. I must confess that I am enjoying it thoroughly. Even a mental midget can see the gaping holes and absurdity in what you have written (read: commercials are only "for retaining market share" ) ... To my understanding, "market share" is first achieved by SELLING. Then it is maintained by selling some more. Commercials and advertising are used for selling. Regardless of what you may say.

Feel free to continue. You have now become a one-man spectator sport - truly great stuff

BTW, I`d ask your "college" for a refund if I were you (lol)
12-29-2007 05:42 PM
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

blade master, that revo v raptor was JK reportedly fyi.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
12-29-2007 05:46 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

Blademaster said:
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OF course the all time favourite


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxni...feature=related

Yup, that one is classic. It takes a lot of cajones (or something) for those guys on the sofa not to say; ahhh, I think I have to step outside for leak right now.

...I`m still looking for the link to "the ceiling fan manouvre". That is one video I`d really like to see!
12-29-2007 05:48 PM
 
 
ZXXflyer
Key Veteran
Location: stone mountain, georgia, US

you talking about the t-rex inverted on the ceiling??
I think I have that one on my favorites list...I'll see if I can dig it up

Believer in Weston motors!
12-29-2007 05:58 PM
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Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

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MarkC.

I can see the noose you have made for yourself tightening further. I must confess that I am enjoying it thoroughly. Even a mental midget can see the gaping holes and absurdity in what you are now writing.

Feel free to continue. You have now become a one-man spectator sport - truly great stuff

BTW, I`d ask your "college" for a refund if I were you (lol)


Dude! My sides are splitting! No s#it! you stuck your head right thorough the noose of the CocaCola ad faux pas and jumped right off the edge! Then you spent half a page of rambling bullcr@p in an attempt to recover. Then you threw in one last pathetic attempt at an insult and tried to pat yourself on the back.

Then you say my noose is tightneing!?!? So friggin classic!

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BTW, I`d ask your "college" for a refund if I were you (lol)

Hey go for it! If all you have left is insults then throw down with them.

I'm up for that game. Let's see what ya got.
12-29-2007 05:58 PM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

Popcorn anyone?? The midget is still at it !

...He don`t read so well, but he sure do be fun to watch!
12-29-2007 06:00 PM
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

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Popcorn anyone?? The midget is still at it !

No thanks, I have mine. I'm busy watching the "village idiot"
12-29-2007 06:02 PM
 
 
ZXXflyer
Key Veteran
Location: stone mountain, georgia, US

Come one....almost 10 pages!
Don't make me go out and buy the Enquirer!

Believer in Weston motors!
12-29-2007 06:04 PM
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dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

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Come one....almost 10 pages!
Don't make me go out and buy the Enquirer!

ZXXflyer. I have to admit you are absolutley right. It is a bit embarrassing to get dragged in so far like this. But hey, at least it`s free (unlike The Enquirer), and still entertaining!

Anyway, I have to head out of town for abit. So, it should quiet down some on my part.

Cheers,

Dave
12-29-2007 06:15 PM
 
 
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