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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > I nominate this as dangerous vid of the year.
 
 
Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

Not if people like you keep on crying about how unsafe things appear

We wouldn't have cars, lawnmowers, blenders if we all cried safety

I can just see you at IRCHA crying
OH look there 20 helis in the air at one time, Oh no that can't be safe around all these people.
12-27-2007 06:24 AM
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

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Just found out the AMA is aware of this video {JK'S backyard flying}and it could and very likely may cause some serious repercussions for him.

Just because this didn't happen at an AMA sactioned field doesn't mean they can't deam him or anyone else stupid enough to post videos of themselves doing something hazordous with R/C equipment too reakless of a pilot and bann him from any AMA flying site and revoke his membership.

This is a crock. Thankfully, the AMA can't, don't and won't give a rats arse what Jason Krause, me, or you do in your own front yard. The AMA is NOT a police force and has NEVER and will NEVER issue policy as to what you do with your RC gear in your own front yard.

If you believe the AMA takes such actions then would you please post the link to the list of "AMA Flying Site Banned Individuals" so we can have a look at it.

You are either following the AMA rules at a flying site and have an incident resulting in damages/injury which the AMA will cover AFTER your homeowners insurance pays out - OR - you are NOT following AMA rules at a flying site and have an incident resulting in damages/injury which the AMA will NOT cover - even though your homeowners policy will cover it anyway.

Even if the AMA felt that Jason Krause was a reckless flyer that never followed AMA rules they would still take his money. It would simply be free cash for them since they would never have to pay out on any of his incidents since they would not occur while flying under AMA rules.

After all the cr@p I read here I expected to see Jason Krause with a 90 sized nitro helicopter chasing toddlers around a kindergarten playground when I clicked the link.
12-27-2007 07:43 AM
 
 
PIGROLL
Senior Heliman
Location: Pig Pen

[quote]Just found out the AMA is aware of this video {JK'S backyard flying}and it could and very likely may cause some serious repercussions for him.



How does one "just found out"? Seems like a bit of jealousy or hope of elimination.Did you call the AMA?
I fly nitros on my property and always will.
Why does this feel like a planker hating helis thread?It seems that the 500 can be qualified as a Park Flier anyway. I nominate this thread to be the planker infiltration of the year.Soon we will be flying the old pattern again .

The cheese slipped off my cracker a long time ago
12-27-2007 12:42 PM
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

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Did you call the AMA?
Nope. didn't think of it
Was talking to a district rep about something else and it came up.
Your right, probably in the end nothing will happen about it, who knows?
but I can tell I am not the only one here who wishes they would do something about it.
Some of you are such kiss-asses {like blade} you cant even comprehend the consequences, your just too stupid to be able to realize what bad publicity could do to this hobby, And Your ability to fly maybe if your noses weren't so far up jk's butt-crack you might have been able to realize it.

I said it before and I say it again, if the shoe were on the other foot, do you think jk would be here on RR defending you??

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him
12-27-2007 02:39 PM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

What, actually, will it do to the hobby? Make it so that cops can issue tickets for flying at your home? Is it just the people involved with AMA that are complaining? I don't get it. I must be one of those who are just too stupid to live.

Like Blade_Master said:
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I fly a RC heli not a bomb.

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For any matter, if his neighbors had a problem, they would call the cops.
12-27-2007 03:10 PM
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

This is the safety fourm on RR. It is full of stories of people who thought they had it under control and didn't. Last year's Ircha had two prime examples of pilots who thought they had it under control and didn't. One flew his heli into himself because he wanted to show off and flew to close to himself and he not only seriously cut himself, but almost hit spectators behind him. The other crashed, his heli hit the ground and bounced into a camera guy.

All involved felt they had it "under control" and 99.9% of the time they do. This was at a ircha, a field that was set up for flyers and yet these things happened and will probably happen again.

When I or anyone else goes to a flying field, we KNOW what the risks are, are we try and be ready for whtever may happen, mid-air, crash, injury whatever. WE ARE READY for it and are willing to take the risk when we go there.

At someone's Home who isn't into flying r/c aircraft, they aren't ready for and they shouldn't be exposed to the danger or risk of some idiot flying over their head.

JK flew in a yard and "claims" there were spotters, SO WHAT?? The heli was several hundered yards away from him at times, he flew over houses other streets, cars, if he lost it, he did not know where it would have fallen and what was under it at all times. So what would have happened if he lost control of it and it had hit someone??

It would have been a black mark for the hobby, it would have gained attention from those who know nothing about this hobby in the media but whos jobs it is to find "little things" and make them into "big things".

Here is an example, remember when you hear about a particular breed of dog attack? The media spend countless hours debating whether or not that breed is a "Killer" blowing the situation way out of porportion and by the time they are done, that breed is forever known as a killer breed" and then come all the laws and regulations that follow it.

What I am trying to say and what some are just too hard-headed to be able to comprihend is that I don't want MY flying rights to EVER be affected by some dumbass who shows off doing something stupid like flying in his living room, backyard, front yard or WHATEVER, to cause me to lose MY and YOURS rights because he was doing something stupid and gained national attention for it.

Did that happen with JK's video? No, it didn't, the flight went well, everyone loved it and everyone went home happy.

Just like 99.9% of the time he or anyone else flies.
12-27-2007 04:02 PM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

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What, actually, will it do to the hobby? Make it so that cops can issue tickets for flying at your home?

Maybe. Or perhaps sky-high insurance premiums, or insurance denials altogether from ANY source. Perhaps there would be municipal laws prohibiting the flight of an RC Heli anywhere but in a sanctioned field. The list goes on. The bottom line is, a lot could happen to the hobby.

We should not delude ourselves here. If one or two toddlers happen to receive a well-publicized and gory injury (or worse) from someone`s "parkflyer" heli, the Media will use videos - such as the one in question - to illustrate how reckless we are as a group. The Media will point to that video and say; "see, this video was actually made/endorsed by the Worlds` largest RC helicopter manufacturer!"..."see...this is what they are doing with their parkfliers - nobodys` kids are safe from these toys"

FWIW, I liked the video. But, I believe it was a bad idea for the most part. At the very least, it was dangerous and certainly qualifies as bad risk managment for the hobby in general.

As for the guys likening the risks of an RC heli to that of a "lawn mower" - I really have to wonder about the stupidity behind such a comment. Mowers do not fly; they generally stay put when you let them go; their spinning blades are shrouded in steel; they are not controlled by a radio; and a broken ball link will not send my mower flying over my neighbours house and into his backyard !

...I mean, c`mon guys, lets keep it realistic shall we.

12-27-2007 05:35 PM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

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Perhaps there would be municipal laws prohibiting the flight of an RC Heli anywhere but in a sanctioned field. The list can goes on. The bottom line is, a lot could happen to the hobby.
Isn't this what you're fighting for? If this is your goal, why bitch? Just let it continue and everyone will have to go to the field.

And, in all the tens of years that people have been flying, how many toddlers have been mamed by RC? I just heard that some grandpa backed over his grandkid's leg on his riding mower. Maybe those should only be allowed at the field.
12-27-2007 05:41 PM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

Gian said:
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Isn't this what you're fighting for? If this is your goal, why bitch? Just let it continue and everyone will have to go to the field.

You`re off to a bad start Gian. I`m not sure how you could read my comments as "bitch(ing)". Nor can I understand why you think I would want such laws to be enforced against the hobby. If you read my post again, I think you will find it obvious that is precisely what I do NOT want.

Clearly, when you compare a riding mower incident to an RC heli injury you show that you may not fully comprehend how the media operates. There is an "old saying" which illustrates the point; when a "Dog Bites Man", it is generally accepted that there is NO story to be reported. But, when a "Man Bites A Dog", this is indeed a story. As such, "a story" often gets reported over and over again and public perceptions can be greatly affected as a result.

The same reasoning applies to the topic at hand; Flying Toys That Mutilate is definitely "a story". But Grandpa running over his kid with the family mower might be on page twenty... maybe.

On top of this, it is generally accepted that people must mow their lawns. The same cannot be said of people flying their RC helis in the neighbourhood. Simply stated, what is deemed as acceptable risk is always measured against the benefits of a given practice. And, I am reasonably confident that the public will not line up in defense of our personal benefit in flying an RC heli down the street.

FWIW, I would be very upset if I was forced to fly only in sanctioned fields. Because, I believe that with some common sense and a careful choice of location, a "parkflier" heli can safely be flown in many places that are not sanctioned. However, it is also my opinion that doing a Hurricane out front of, and over your neighbours` house neither qualifies as good common sense or safe. I would also be willing to bet that after a well-publicized injury to a child, the public would overwhelmingly agree. Then, the things you identify as "bitch(ing)" would take on a whole new significance to you. Then, you too, could "bitch".
12-27-2007 06:13 PM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

Sorry, but I don't know, man.

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IMO, doing a Hurricane out front, and over your neighbours` house neither qualifies as good common sense or safe.

Isn't most of the concern, here, mechanical failure? I assume flying style has alot to do with that.

I may just be treading water, but I truly feel that people should be able to do what they want- within reason. Nobody is getting hurt. Sure, like everything else, there is a possibility. I just don't live for the "what-if's".

Safety should be a concern. But, we should not have to assume that, out of all that could happen, the worst will. We wouldn't be able to do anything!

Anyway, my goal is not to pi$$ people off- just argue for what I think is right. As for the media, sheeple should know not to believe everything they see on TV (as far as hype).
12-27-2007 06:28 PM
 
 
Stu.
Veteran
Location: Abrakebabra Kebab shop

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If one or two toddlers happen to receive a well-publicized and gory injury (or worse) from someone`s "parkflyer" heli, the Media will use videos

Adam Kirby
Ron Kyle
The Bergen rep in the UK
This Guy
http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/galle...o.php?photo=832

This idiot
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4HNVRNXvHGU&feature=related

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...88/DSC02943.jpg

The kids at the football pitch in korea.

This is as real as it gets. Would you want your wife or kids to be hit like this?

Safety is no joke

Stu

www.waterfoothelis.com
12-27-2007 06:33 PM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

Hey Stu, you are absolutely correct to point our attention to those unfortunate events. But IMO, those would not qualify as "well-publicized" events. "Well-publicized" is a whole other level of exposure.

Gian said:
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Isn't most of the concern, here, mechanical failure? I assume flying style has alot to do with that.

I may just be treading water, but I truly feel that people should be able to do what they want- within reason. Nobody is getting hurt. Sure, like everything else, there is a possibility. I just don't live for the "what-if's".

Now you`re making lots of sense to me. I totally agree with everything you just stated. Especially this; "people should be able to do what they want- within reason". My worry is, if we are not a little more careful as a group, we may become part of the "within reason" category. Then, lawmakers/politicians will be pressured to intervene on the "do what they want" part.

FWIW, I clearly stated in the other thread that I suspect the REAL (numerical) risks of JK`s flying are probably much, much lower than many of us think. But, certainly there are some increased risks under those particular circumstances, and that is undeniable. However, I`m probably more concerned about the perceived risks such a video could foster. It has been my observation that far too often, it is the perceptions - not the facts - that govern policy.
12-27-2007 06:52 PM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

^ I agree!
12-27-2007 06:54 PM
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Thank you Dpcarey for articulating much better the same thought as I was trying to say

I love wild 3-d flying and when at the field I realize the risks involved and feel its worth it to still attend.
I just cringe at the thought of someone doing it at their house and hurting someone who wasn't a willing particapant in the activity.
Belive me, an accident at the feild will not attract near as much attention as an accident that happens in someones neigborhood.

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him
12-27-2007 10:37 PM
 
 
929pilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Jackson, OH

The self righteousness of the people on this thread who object to this video is unbelievable. They want JK to give up his freedoms in the name of protecting their own? Spare me. They ASSUME JK's neighbors object to his flying a small electric heli. If that were true they would let him know it either by saying so or by calling the police. JK has flown helis long enough to determine what is reasonably safe. People on here act like a small E heli with 425mm blades will cut through houses and cars like a hot knife through butter, maiming or killing everyone inside, get real.


As far as the AMA goes, last time I checked they are OK with people flying 50 pound, turbine jets that fly up to 200mph, and carry 2 liters of kerosene on board, and are known to burst into flames when they crash. Just considerer all the "possible" safety issues with that before starting another idiotic thread like this.

Brandon Crosier
12-27-2007 10:59 PM
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CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

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As far as the AMA goes, last time I checked they are OK with people flying 50 pound, turbine jets that fly up to 200mph, and carry 2 liters of kerosene on board, and are known to burst into flames when they crash. Just considerer all the "possible" safety issues with that before starting another idiotic thread like this.
Really? The AMA has no problem with people flying 50 pound, turbine jets that fly up to 200mph in residential neighborhoods

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him
12-27-2007 11:09 PM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

So, I just want to interject a little something here. It does take balls, and the willingness to deal with the consequences, when flying in public. I also want to remind everyone that AZ really is still the wild west! Certain things are a bit more lenient out here- It's quite a lifestyle. Maybe locale has a bit of an influence when it comes to what seems acceptable... I mean, look at Japan!
Just food for thought.
12-27-2007 11:15 PM
 
 
Mark C
Key Veteran
Location: Houston, TX - USA

You are your own worst enemy

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What I am trying to say and what some are just too hard-headed to be able to comprihend is that I don't want MY flying rights to EVER be affected by some dumbass who shows off doing something stupid like flying in his living room, backyard, front yard or WHATEVER, to cause me to lose MY and YOURS rights because he was doing something stupid and gained national attention for it.

So you want to regulate, legislate and control Mr. Krause's rights that would prohibit him from flying in his front yard so that YOUR rights to fly as you wish are not affected? Amazing.

George Carlin once said: "Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, but anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" George with this simple observation sums up differences in human perception. Both the imminent and potential danger thresholds as perceived by the human brain differs from person to person to person. DNA has it programmed in your head just as is the urge to pick your nose or "need" try to control others actions. But apparently you are totally blind to that. You have used words like "idiot", "stupid", and "hard-headed" for anyone that does not think JUST LIKE YOU and you feel the NEED to CONTROL their behavior so that YOUR rights are not affected.

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Belive me, an accident at the feild will not attract near as much attention as an accident that happens in someones neigborhood.

Your logic here is upside down. During any good month nearly half of the helis that show up at the LHS that need repair are due to an "incident" in front of someone's house or their backyard or front room yet I have NEVER seen any of these in the news or in the papers or AMA magazine. The incidents that happen at the flying fields make the newspapers, TV and here on RR everyday.

Innocent people have died playing with paintball guns. Innocent people get injured or killed by their neighbor using a chainsaw. This list is endless. If you believe that one isolated incident 2000 miles from you is going to force local legislation that is going to remove your rights to fly as you please then you harbor a form of paranoia that I cannot help you with.

You are the one bringing attention to this. You are the one that claims Mr. Kraus does not have the right to fly in his own front yard. You are the one that thinks this should be deemed wrong and the AMA should "punish" him in some manner. You and people who think like you will be the ones that in the end will try to legislate, regulate and police this activity. In the end your continual "need" to control what others do 2000 miles away from you will cause your loss of your rights to fly as you wish. And in the end, you will have been your own worst enemy.

Mark C.
12-27-2007 11:17 PM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

12-27-2007 11:24 PM
 
 
Ravenhyper50
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa

Yep

MSH Protos 500, SWIFT 550 Carbon, Swift 620SE, DX-7, JR servos
12-27-2007 11:28 PM
 
 
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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > I nominate this as dangerous vid of the year.
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