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Women Pilots > Want to transition from Watcher to Pilot but...
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

Do I have to learn how to build them to fly them?

I love watching my boyfriend fly, and I would love to try myself.

I have yet to play the SIM in the hobby store...I guess I just don't know where to start.

My biggest fear is not having the "know how" of building, and repairing and I want to do it without my boyfriends help. I'd like to surprise him.

I guess the best thing I can do, is keep reading this forum and educate myself!

Then take the plunge!

Any words of wisdom or advice would be much appreciated.

Great Site btw.
12-20-2007 09:37 AM
 
 
wlfk
Veteran
Location: uk

Hi,

I'm sure your boyfriend will be delighted, but it's a big investment of time and effort to keep hidden until you can go 'tada' and show off your flying skills. If you enjoy the process, then it's not onerous, but it is substantial nonetheless.

It depends to some degree on how complex a model you choose. The 'normal' sorts of helicopters with a single rotor above the helicopter and a tailrotor that spins, come in two varieties - cheap and expensive. The cheap ones are without exception unflyable - even to most those of us who can fly the expensive ones quite well. But some of the cheap helicopters with 'coaxial' rotors (two rotors going in opposite directions) are meant to work quite well - I don't have much experience of them.

The cheaper helicopters (both single-rotor (normal) and co-axial) tend not to get damaged so much when they crash, because they are 'collective pitch' and the blades are turning slower.

The expensive helicopters that come in kits - I think you do need to have a good deal of mechanical 'nous' in order to make them fly well. I've no doubt there are people who could learn to fly them without understanding the mechanics of them, but most of us fly, crash and rebuild our own. It might be that your boyfriend would be willing to help, and might enjoy teaching you (I enjoy the mechanical side as much as the flying).

The mechanics aren't rocket science. Things basically snap together (most of the time). If lego was your favourite toy when you were little then I'm sure you could learn to build helicopters as an adult. On the other hand, I do know people - often very capable in other spheres - who I'm pretty sure wouldn't be able to put one together safely. Perhaps your local shop would check things over for you?

I think a good place to start would be getting a simulator and learning to fly on that for a month or two then thinking about where to go from there.

My apologies if any of the above was patronising - I don't know how much you know already.

K

A bit like a kite, but 500 times more expensive
12-20-2007 10:27 AM
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

I don't feel you were patronizing at all! I appreciate all your words of advice.

I am very handy, and I love to build things...I was just wondering if there was something I should start with that I really didn't have to get too involved with-for training purposes I guess.

My other concern is that my boyfriend enjoys flying so much-I don't want to take his "guy time" away, but I personally would love to be involved in this hobby. How do I do this without being a drain on him?

So, really this is a two part question. Any other ladies out there that felt or feel like that.

Thanks!
12-20-2007 05:39 PM
 
 
TachyonDriver
Senior Heliman
Location: Chipping, Lancs, UK

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The cheaper helicopters (both single-rotor (normal) and co-axial) tend not to get damaged so much when they crash, because they are 'collective pitch' and the blades are turning slower.

I think you mean Fixed pitch?

Have a look around the Beginners Corner area of RR for more education too!

What wlfk said is true for the most part, but co-axial helis are good fun. Some people say that you will get bored of them real quick, but the helis are small enough to fly indoors in reasonable sized rooms. So when the weather's bad and/or it's too cold/dark to fly outside, the co-ax can be driven around the house. They are incredibly stable for a helicopter - that top rotor wants to keep the heli upright and hovering all the time.
Co-axials are good for helping you with orientation - the thing seems to fly differently when it's facing you instead of facing away from you . The controls are similar to the single rotor helis and will allow you to grasp the basics of hovering around and gentle landings! Helicopters of any type do not like hard landings - they all break, but co-axials and fixed pitch helis are easier & cheaper to repair.

If you haven't already done so, check out some videos of the different helicopter types; co-axial, fixed pitch and collective pitch. RR has videos and YouTube has thousands! Typical makes are Blade CX2, Twister Medevac (both co-axial), HoneyBee FP, Sabre, Dragonfly 4 (all fixed pitch single rotor), Raptor, Trex (450 and 600) Hurrican, Knight 50 (collective pitch single rotor).

You can get a good idea about how hard/easy the helis are to fly from a simulator. Does your B/F have one? If so, ask him to let you have a go! If not ask the hobby shop to set the sim up with a typical electric or nitro heli and go for it! Brand new heli available with every press of the reset button.

Best of luck - my wife has no interest in helicopters, apart from how much I may spend on parts!

Tach.

Little Spinning Bundle of Joy®
12-20-2007 10:32 PM
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

Yes, my BF has a SIM as well as the LHS. I will just have to dive in and begin my training.

I like the Dragonfly, I thought about starting with that.

How realistic is the SIM compared to real flying? Pretty close or are there some major differences?
12-21-2007 05:00 AM
 
 
ccobalt3
Senior HeliGirl
Location: Plainfield,IN

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My other concern is that my boyfriend enjoys flying so much-I don't want to take his "guy time" away, but I personally would love to be involved in this hobby. How do I do this without being a drain on him

I am exactly where you are in all of this. I have yet to really "take the plunge." I have been reading lots though.

I also have the same concern about taking away from his guy time. I would just hope that they enjoy having us at the field with them and if not well then hopefully they will tell us. Who knows we might want them to leave us alone

Has any man gotten tired of their partner being at the field? I mean a partner that is actually interested in the hobby not just the cost.
12-21-2007 05:21 AM
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

I should add, I love to shop, and it doesn't matter for what!!! So the cost of the hobby doesn't concern me. I'm fully prepared to shell out some dough for the sake of FUN!!!

~Thrillseeker~
12-21-2007 05:52 AM
 
 
wlfk
Veteran
Location: uk

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I think you mean Fixed pitch?

Quite right - fixed pitch. And I do know better!

K

A bit like a kite, but 500 times more expensive
12-21-2007 11:20 AM
 
 
bagobitz
Veteran
Location: saddleworth,lancs,UK

If that Dragonfly is a "Walkera"brand, don't touch it with a bargepole.
just do a search on "first heli" or "beginners heli" or something similar,and you'll find plenty of info....likewise for a sim.
The main contenders are Phoenix (but you need to have a transmitter)
will run on a reasonable computer
Realflight G3 (upgrade to 3.5 is free) comes with a dummy transmitter, needs a good computer.

realflight G4 just released, needs a good current gaming computer.
has a better quality controller though there's some controversy about non-standard switch layout

There is also Reflex, again it runs on a fairly modest computer and can be had with the oddly-shaped "IVol "controller.


It would seem that Phoenix support is better and generally it's superior to Reflex


so, Phoenix or one of the realflights seem the logical choices.
you'll learn plenty on the "sim" forum area and also you'll find details of where to download demo's of all of them.
12-23-2007 12:11 AM
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

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If that Dragonfly is a "Walkera"brand, don't touch it with a bargepole.

I finally told BF of my plan, and he said "No" to the Dragonfly also.

Something along the lines of a Blade CX is what I will probably go with. He's got a CP and doesn't care much for it-so we are shooting for the CX. I should add, this particular CX has around $100.00 worth of upgrades. Not sure what yet as it's on the way to him from Ebay.



And he wasn't against teaching! I was worried about that "guy time" thing.

~Thrillseeker~
12-23-2007 01:35 AM
 
 
bagobitz
Veteran
Location: saddleworth,lancs,UK

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And he wasn't against teaching! I was worried about that "guy time" thing.

why would he be?...Men enjoy hobbies that lead to some sort of accomplishment....model-flying has quite complex demands and to master them is very satisfying.

passing skills and knowledge onto others is also satisfying....hence the difficulty of the teaching profession....some kids are forced to attend classes they've no interest in....bad experience for teacher AND pupil. willing student and enthusiastic pupil = a happy experience.

Most people with specialised interests are extremely pleased to have their accomplishment valued by another and it's good for both parties.

Sometimes , there is an emergence of resentment/jealousy when the pupil overtakes the mentor...but the pupil STILL wins! they learn a valuable lesson about the character of the other person.


Good luck with your CX...take it for wat it is, and enjoy it on it's own merits...it will give you the coordination and attitudinal awareness you'll need for more advanced heli's.
12-23-2007 01:01 PM
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Resources Capitol, Canada

Hey a woman that is willing to be involved in her mans hobby and better yet wants to fly as well is worth gold! I hope he understands this rare gift to have someone who is genuinely into the hobby! Very good for you, I do hope you get into it and fly like crazy it is super fun!!

I have a friend whos wife has recently got into the hobby and flying herself and has really progressed and enjopying the hobby as well! They have alot of fun and she flies with a bunch of us quite regularly.

Take care and most importantly always have fun!!!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
01-08-2008 08:57 AM
 
 
steffgiguere
Veteran
Location: St-Eustache, Quebec, Canada

If your boyfriend loves to build and would like you to join him in this hobby than I'm sure he would help you with the build, I know if my wife wanted I'd help all the way. Yes you should get as many hours as humainly possible on the sim while waiting for your bird. flying looks easy but is very demanding, once your very good on the sim then try for real, and don't think you will not crash. Have fun.

I wish I could fly 24/7
01-08-2008 02:49 PM
 
 
ram008
Heliman
Location: IL

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Hey a woman that is willing to be involved in her mans hobby and better yet wants to fly as well is worth gold!

Absolutely. Aside from me, there's only a small handful of other females in my area that fly. My experience has been if you go to the field and even hint that you're interested in flying and don't have your own (or even if you do), one of the guys will make sure they find you something to fly, even on a buddy cord. I've been blessed with some really awesome friends that have been more than willing to help me out with flying, building,etc. Trust me, they would rather see you flying something and having a good time than grudgingly tagging along to the field, only to sit there looking really bored. Take advatange of the sim time for sure.
01-08-2008 09:36 PM
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

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Hey a woman that is willing to be involved in her mans hobby and better yet wants to fly as well is worth gold!

I'm glad you think so!!!!

Here's to hoping he feels the same way!

~Thrillseeker~
01-10-2008 05:29 AM
 
 
Pink Panther
Heliman
Location: Jersey, Channel Islands

I would love to see girls taking an interest in the hobby. The few times I have bothered flying at a club have just been so boring. I'm sure you ladies would lighten up the place.

I like to spend everyday as though it were my last; in bed drifting in and out of consciousness!
01-10-2008 11:19 AM
 
 
tarzan_eb
Heliman
Location: Atwater Illinois USA

I personally would love for my wife to get involved, after all she is my best friend . Most of the heli people i know are more than willing to help a want to be pilot RC will give you extra time together doin somthing that you both will enjoy.It does not matter if you are working on it or flyin it its all good ! you will learn how to work on it as you learn to fly it that is just part of it, it is confusing to start with but it gets easier and alot more fun.
Fly the sim to get started you don't need to know how to work on the sim just where the reset button is. Have fun !!!

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !!
02-01-2008 02:30 PM
 
 
tarzan_eb
Heliman
Location: Atwater Illinois USA

Eflight just came out with Blade 400 rtf out of box normal flight and 3d comes with a sprectrum dx7 full range transmitter and receiver. This heli is setup and preflown at factory This heli flies great out of box you charge the included lipo with the included balancer charger and fly it is all set up cost is around $400.00 usd
but you get a dx7 full range TX and RX I think it is a 10 model memory Check it out Cheap parts and upgrades

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !!
02-01-2008 02:40 PM
 
 
HeliWatcher
Heliman
Location: Land of sky blue Water!

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You don't need to know how to work on the sim just where the reset button is.




Thanks for the tips on the Blade 400 as well!

~Thrillseeker~
02-02-2008 05:04 PM
 
 
rotor girl
Heliman
Location: Lima, Ohio - USA

I started out on a Blade CX2 and just got a Blade 400. I just started nose in hovering with the CX and am hoping to get some serious sim time to get on the 400. I just got my AMA license so when I got to the fly-in's with my bf, I will get to fly too instead of just watching.
02-12-2008 03:08 AM
 
 
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