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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Big problem with new larger electric heli's
 
 
Camp
Senior Heliman
Location: Easton, PA

The more urban the area the harder it's going to become.

I lived in NJ until recently and had the police come to the Large park concerning my flying a Lama V3. Seems a coach in a field 3 football fields away complained that he couldn't get the kids to concentrate with my flying nearby. I was tempted to call the police and complain that the Pee-wee game was distracting to my flying. (kidding of course)

Now I'm in eastern PA and all the parks here say no flying. While I agree a 450 can hurt someone, if there is enough distance between and no one strolling through you intended flight area why should it be illegal?

That statement is based on the assumption that no pilot in their right mind would fly 450 or above with kids or pedestrians in the immediate area. But not being able to fly a co-axe like a lama is rediculous.

Heck, it's my 9 year old that flies the Lama now, what's a park for but to take your kids there and we stay smart and he's come to know safety. I almost feel like braining someone with a Frisbee or football and saying "but it's allowed".

No one wants anyone to get hurt but if the park has enough room and is clear, how far is a heli really going to go in a lockout or glitch? I've never seen one make it more that ten seconds and we fly at least that far away.

Now, If I could get as good as my 9 year old as quickly... Unfortunately that's all soon to be over anyway so this all just is an opinion.
02-04-2008 10:57 PM
 
 
BigguyOz
Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

How did the police react though? Did they insist you stop, or were they reasonable?

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
8m mast
hot air balloon
kite
02-05-2008 03:23 AM
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michael88997
Veteran
Location: dallas,tx, us

i can't fly in parks here either... i asked why and they said even if you prove that you can fly you are still in danger of failure and spectators can be stupid and try and run up or something... one minute you can be by yourself flying and the next surrounded by people watching and if something breaks and hit sombody= big trouble


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hurricane 550
02-05-2008 04:02 AM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Our main heli flying site here happens to be the middle of a large public park which the club has an agreement with - To fly nitros and large electrics it's required to be club members and AMA insured and behave responsibly just like at any other official flying site - Small electrics they don't sweat at all - There's a large popular playground only separated from us by a large parking lot and row of trees - Lots of novice RCers bring their small electrics to the park and not thought of much different from any other toys such as kites and frisbees etc - The helis do tend to draw spectators and we advise them to skirt a safe distance around the flight zone and pilot etc - Lot of times theres more than one person flying there and can spot for each other but we get along just fine when alone as well too since most of the people who frequent the area know what to expect and others usually do as they're instructed else we just land and wait for safe conditions to return - We all perfectly understand the risks of flying there and that an incident could indeed jeopardize our use of the area but we've been flying there for several years and so far so positive
We enjoy flying there and people enjoy watching us fly there just as kites on a beach

People have the ability to govern themselves and be responsible anywhere - Just because there's possibilities of misfortune doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't do something at all and create laws to eliminate those possibilities - Sh!t can happen anywhere anytime and there's plenty of lawyers standing by waiting just for such - But hopefully they'll just have to keep on waiting so long as we behave responsibly and have our fun in a reasonably safe manner
02-05-2008 08:05 AM
 
 
Eagle2bravo
Senior Heliman
Location: Baldwinsville, Ny Ononadaga

I too had a mishap last summer. Some guy came up behind at a local park I didn't see him coming. He scared the crap out of me. You get so involved in flying you tend to tune everything out. As a result I smashed into myself, got hurt pretty good. I have been a little guilty myself of not realizing what a Trex 450 really is.. Very dangerous. So learn from me ... be careful & stay aware.
02-22-2008 01:02 AM
 
 
t0mills
Heliman
Location: Gravette, Arkansas - United States

Yeah, I hit myself in the leg once with my 450, but I was lucky that it wasn't in an idle-up mode.

It took the blue dye out of my jeans where it hit me, and permanently embedded it into the blade tips.
Left some pretty big bruises too.


Tim
02-22-2008 01:08 AM
 
 
wannaflyguy
Veteran
Location: Central, PA

I fly both my Hummingbird and my 450 in my culdesac, but only when no one is out. If my neighbors come out, then I land and call it a day. They want to watch me fly, and I want to fly. But the risk out weighs the pleasure I get.

Now I only fly my 450 in the neighbor hood park where people don't congregate.

I flew my Humminbird in the garage tonight cause I had the fever so bad-- G4 just doesn't replace the real thing. Heck two nights ago, I spooled up my 450 in a snow storm.

I've got it bad... real bad. I gotta fly man!!

My name is wannaflyguy and I approved this message!
02-22-2008 03:36 AM
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slash1010
Heliman
Location: ireland

dog v t rex

I was flyin around a big park during the week. t rex 600 electric.
A dog came into the park and started chasing the chopper around.
Eventually had to land and he went to bite it. Very nasty injury
to his head for his trouble.
03-20-2008 12:43 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

Yes, of course our heli's can hurt people. But you know what? So can a lot of things that are allowed at most parks.

I see people hitting golf balls all the time. I don't think I have to mention how it would feel to be hit by a golf ball driven from over 200 yards away.

I fly at a local middle school. When I go there, noone is ever there...at least in the area I fly in. I see nothing wrong with it. If someone were to show up and get near, I'd land and wait for them to move on, or I'd leave.


Skarn
03-20-2008 02:58 PM
 
 
slash1010
Heliman
Location: ireland

Yes nothing wrong is what i think too. The dog owner just lets the dog out of the house to go where it likes. Thats the end of flying there because the dog will probably still do the same again after gets the stitches out of his head and the owner lets him roam freely again.
03-20-2008 04:59 PM
 
 
zaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

Other thing I hate is people who telling some newbie to go stright to 450 size. very bad idea. out of control large heli with insane head speed striking somebody. After I know how to do hover my blade cp, hovering blade 400 and controlling it got a lot easier then when I first try to take the 400 up in the air. I got hit by blade cp a few time in my leg but nothing happens to me.

I'm going to tain my self of blade cp before I try anything else on 400.

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400
03-28-2008 04:57 PM
 
 
JEEPWORLD2002
Key Veteran
Location: BLUEBELL PA USA

why ??

so what start with a coaxial heli and waste money or start with a piccoz what ? I started with a 450 size and soon went to a 30 nitro. I see no problem starting with a 450 or 500 or 30 size to start but i also started with no buddy box, i was told helis move to quick to save them. So i was recomended a sim to learn when the heli was down or weather.

Trex600n Trex500 Mikado LoGo5003d// Hacker, CastleCreations,Ys 50, JR 7703d/8900, Radix
03-28-2008 05:02 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

The bigger the easier - I started with nitro - Were no small electrics back then
Funny how persectives change with the times - Things that were just a way of life yesterday are considered 'dangerous' today - I suppose someday all real RC toys will be considered too 'dangerous' and everyone will just sim
03-28-2008 05:14 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

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Other thing I hate is people who telling some newbie to go stright to 450 size. very bad idea. out of control large heli with insane head speed striking somebody.

I disagree completely as well.

As others have stated, the 450 size heli is inherently way more stable than a Blade CP any day any setup! I'd MUCH rather be standing next to a new person just learning how to hover a 450 than the new person trying to hover (make that trying to not crash it before 10 seconds)a Blade CP!

I can tell you from first hand personal experience, my friend and I learning on our Blade CPs were WAY more dangerous than if we learned on the 450 to begin with!

Not to mention the frustration factor alone that ends up more times than not with that new person quitting the hobby all together after spending much money.

These are some of the reasons why at my local club the trainer uses a Raptor 50 to teach new people on and not the 450.

Skarn
03-28-2008 06:08 PM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

Why start small?

OK, for you guys that started off with a bigger heli and think it's foolish to start with a micro, I will put this to you....

It's only been in the last few years that micro's have been practical. While they are much harder to fly than a larger model, they are also much safer for the someone just getting into it. Ten years ago, large was the only way to go. But you REALLY needed to know someone then. Sure some people self-taught, but the point is.... starting small opens to door to this hobby who might have limited time to pursue it, but still enjoy it anyway.

Encouraging people to start small does a couple of things for this hobby. It provides a more attainable way for newbies to persue it with direct help from anyone. I really think a large reason this hobby is presently flourishing is due to this fact. Attainability.

That being said, the direct result for all of us is having resources. I don't remember seeing too many heli's locally 10 years ago. Now there are multiple shops in my area that have inventory. Not to mention the resources that are available on-line.

I hope you understand that I'm not saying anyone is "right" or "wrong" on this issue. Just saying... with no one to mentor me, a 600 size model would have been a serious hazard in my hands when I first starting messing with these things. (no previous RC experience). There are many other good points for micro's as well as larger models.

On the other hand. If you own 20 acres in the country, have unlimited money and time, then sure.... go big. It would be a grand thrill!

Learning is expensive, any way you slice it.

Hmmmm, think I'll go fly now.

Here's to calm blue skies and open places.




VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
03-28-2008 06:09 PM
 
 
zaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

Well, Larger is more stable but doesn't mean its not going to get out of control, like washout during descent etc and panicking sticks will cause some damage. Like my friend who got a Blade 400, first time hover it was coming for him didn't know what he was doing and got hit in his leg, good thing he was wearing jeans.

We fix it and I gave 400 a try, first time trying it was scary the way blades were spinning, noise that it make, definitely don't want to get hit by it. I didn't feel the same about the BladeCP. I now have his Blade 400 and I can fly that no problem at all.

You seen those stupid people videos on would you be the one to recommend one of those people a larger heli?

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400
03-28-2008 11:55 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Larger being more stable and easier to control is inherently less likely to get out of control especially considering the investment and ominous presence which people tend to have more respect for taking their time and being more careful than they do with squirly toyish micro helis

A larger heli being more stable and predictable and easier to control makes the learning process smoother and quicker than with a squirly unpredictable micro heli

Cheap RTF micro helis offer easy access to this hobby but they're not really an efficient route for actually learning to fly helis given their unstable nature - I know from starting with nitros and moving to micros and now back to larger helis again that I myself would be a lot further along if I'd kept a nitro or other large stable heli around these past few years than I am from just flying micros all this time

Cheaper easier access also invites more 'idiots' who normally wouldn't waste money time and effort messing around with such a disciplined hobby and there's also those who have more money than sense that there's just little that can be done about other than offering some proper guidance which is really all anyone entering this hobby needs to be safe with whatever they choose to learn on
03-29-2008 01:40 AM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

Idiots

Good point about easy access being an invitation to idiots. Perhaps Darwin's theory will enter the equation at some point and thin that part of the herd? Given that argument, I'd say larger heli's would be the way to go... with Metal Blades, 4k RPM head speeds and some sort of homing device that attract an out of control model to the Tx! Would weed out the inattentive pretty quickly I'd imagine.

Joking of course, although the imminent threat of mortal wounds does make most pay somewhat more attention to a given situation.

VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
03-29-2008 04:39 PM
 
 
BigguyOz
Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Ahem, sorry to say that being an idiot is not related to the amount of money available. In fact, I dare to suggest that a nice big expensive heli would be a magnet to the jerk with more money than sense...

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
8m mast
hot air balloon
kite
03-29-2008 11:23 PM
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Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Yes I did say that
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there's also those who have more money than sense
Meaning those can access and abuse larger more expensive helis just as easily as less wealthy 'idiots' can access and abuse cheap micro helis
03-29-2008 11:26 PM
 
 
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