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Bergen R/C Helicopters > New Bergen Helicopter looks familiar
 
 
Futura SE
Senior Heliman
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

http://www.bergenhelicopters.com/Di...elicopters.html

Something looks awefully familiar about this machine don't you think????
12-14-2007 07:37 AM
 
 
csrc
Heliman
Location: My Backyard

It might also be out earlier.
12-14-2007 07:46 AM
 
 
Futura SE
Senior Heliman
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

12-14-2007 07:48 AM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Not to be confused with http://www.bergenrc.com/ who uses their own original designs.

Chris

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Mickey Tylo
12-14-2007 09:08 AM
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Doug L
Senior Heliman
Location: Minnesota

Latest update April 2007?

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No surprise for this muppet.
12-14-2007 11:54 AM
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Rappy 60
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, Texas

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Something looks awefully familiar about this machine don't you think????

Wow... they both use a fuel tank!

Seriously, the diamond looks similar in some respects but it also has a 120/140 ccpm swash, which the bergen doesn't.

The frames are totally different, I can find more different that similar to a bergen machine.

Dale

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12-14-2007 09:38 PM
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HFr
Senior Heliman
Location: Lagrange ,in USA

Dale ... me too ????
What ever Futura SE is on I want some
12-14-2007 10:41 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Don't know why this was moved to the BERGEN RC USA forum from the AVANT forum where it was intended to be. This heli isn't even from Bergen RC which is the manufacturer of this forum and is the USA based company, this is from another company called Bergen. This heli more closely copies the Aurora frame design which is why it was in the Avant forum in the first place. Just some FYI in case some are confused.

Chris

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Mickey Tylo
12-14-2007 11:07 PM
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HFr
Senior Heliman
Location: Lagrange ,in USA

Thanks Chris ,,that clears it up ... some one else was confused when they moved it here
12-15-2007 01:46 AM
 
 
Chris Bergen
Key Veteran
Location: location

Yep, someone is BADLY confused....

They can't even come up with their own name website!!



Chris Bergen
12-15-2007 06:33 PM
 
 
Futura SE
Senior Heliman
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

The simularity to to an Avant Aruora in frame design is what I meant. The thread has been moved to here. I made it under the Avant forum.
12-15-2007 06:46 PM
 
 
Diamondd1968
Senior Heliman
Location: Oldham, Lancashire, England

Just been advised of this thread, and think a few things need correcting. Firstly, the company name is Diamond Helicentre Ltd, not Bergen or anything to do with Bergen. Yes we have a web site which is www.bergenhelicopters.com, but this is a throw back to when Multicom Helicentre (our former name) was the UK importer for Bergen RC helicopters. The web site has been retained because it is listed in so many places and it is taking an age to advise all these sites of the new web site details (www.diamondheli.com). We have no wish to be associated with Bergen RC, company or products and our old web address will be killed off at somr point in the future.
With regards to the design, the Katana drawings have been up on our web site for at least 18 months, and most of the drawings where around 6 months old then if not more, which by my reckoning, puts our layout before the Aurora ever broke cover. I'm a little confused how we can be accused of copying a product which didn't or indeed still doesn't exist.
As for frame design, that is something that forms once you have all your components designed, and laid out in a position which gives you the desired C of G. Therefore the frames became a dot to dot off a Solidworks assembly drawing.
As for originality of design, the mechanical parts are all original and utilise parts which currently are not seen in the RC heli arena, which will become apparent when the heli is seen in the market place.
Oh, one last thing, it's always good to see your useful comments Chris (bergen). I must have really wrankled you when I mentioned your piss poor quality, but what the heck, the truth can hurt.

Dave Dunphy
Diamond Helicentre Ltd
12-20-2007 02:51 PM
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Chris Bergen
Key Veteran
Location: location

Truth I can handle, Telling lies is the problem.

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I would like to make a correction to my post above. When I stated that I had been involved in the MHW build, that was a mistake and should have read 'aware'. Also I made it sound like I had given Jon Tanners opinion, that was not meant to be the case and it was MY opinion in comparing the 2 reviews. I would like to apologise to Jon and MHW magazine for the error and any problems caused by my lack of correct vocabulary.

Dave Dunphy
Diamond Helicentre Ltd

Care to revisit?

I can also quote an e-mail from Jon.

Chris Bergen
12-20-2007 03:11 PM
 
 
Diamondd1968
Senior Heliman
Location: Oldham, Lancashire, England

I think calling that lies is stretching it a little. We both know full well what really went on. The point was that BRC's quality can be hit and miss, and this point you seem to want to deny, which is fine, but then you have to try and deride the people who said it, which is not too good. I accept you have a small but loyal following, but at the end of the day, it doesn't change the fact that our company spent many hundreds of hours and thousands of pound , making corrections to your parts in order for us to give good customer satisfaction. In the thread you quoted from, you said '$hit happens', yes it does but it happens all too often with BergenRC, and when we are 3500 miles away and returns cost a fortune with postage and customs, we just wanted it right in the first place. A point you seem incapable of accepting or acting on.

Dave Dunphy
Diamond Helicentre Ltd
12-20-2007 03:20 PM
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Chris Bergen
Key Veteran
Location: location

And you seem to be unable to accept the fact that changes can, have, and are being made.

All companies that produce heli's, big and small, have their own unique quirks that they must work through. Unfortunately, it may not happen as FAST as YOU would like.

Maybe one day, when you actually produce a helicopter, you will see that.

Look, I didn't move the post here, nor did I compare it to an Avant. Whomever did move it here is the confused one, confused by YOUR use of the Bergen name in a website.

If you insist on rehashing an old post, we CAN do that with Jon's e-mail that DOES tell the Truth.

Chris Bergen
12-20-2007 05:30 PM
 
 
IYKIST
Veteran
Location: London united kingdom

I think the dirty laundry should remain in the basket as this can get ugly.
01-31-2008 12:49 PM
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JuanRodriguez
Elite Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

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I think the dirty laundry should remain in the basket as this can get ugly

If you really felt that way, then why are you stirring the pot MORE THAN ONE MONTH after the last post ???
01-31-2008 01:15 PM
 
 
IYKIST
Veteran
Location: London united kingdom

Who is stirring the pot, i did not look at the date of the last post so please don't start.
02-01-2008 03:16 AM
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