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Main Discussion > How Many Modes ( Idle-Ups ) do you Run.?
 
 
Hivoltage
Senior Heliman
Location: Newark, Ohio

I have been running only 2 modes....normal and idle up1 which is a V curve on throttle and +-9 degrees pitch. How many run another idle up with a lesser negative pitch for flying aroung and Loops and Rolls? And what is the advantage of it? I am wondering if I am missing something or an fine with just the 1 idle up mode. Thanks
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Alan Szabo Jr
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Same here

Hivoltage, I also run only 2 modes myself. Its a matter of preference.

Alan Szabo Jr.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
DKflyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Huntington, WV

I use 3:

One for general hovering;

One for crashing;

And one for crashing quicker.


Just my preference though.

DK
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Simmer
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

three, normal to transition to hover for landing,

ID2 for all flying around

and T-hold for the auto's (but I have been know to use ID2 when an engine dies

My ID1 is lonely. I rarely if ever use it.

I set my ID2 on my 8103 with the 1/4 and 3/4 points set as opposed to my ID1 where they are set inhibited. Setting it inhibited will average either side end points giving you a straight line. (good thing)

(ID2) I normally use 10, 25, 50, 75, 90 for pitch curves.

(ID1) Basically the curve 10, inh, 50, inh, 90 is just a straight line.

The ID2 curve gives you a bit more pitch at both the inverted and upright hover points. It also makes the transition from negative to positive pitch a bit quicker by making the slope of the curve steeper through the 0 pitch range. I don't find I spend most of my time with
the pitch between the hover point and above so I wanted the best resolution in that range.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
SteveH
rrProfessor
Location: Texas

All of them!

I use them all, or should I say I TRY to use them all. Normal, if I want to try precision hovering. Hi 1 for FF and general normal fooling around, and Hi 2 if I want to TRY some 3D stuff. I'm pretty good, as I can crash in any flight mode!

SteveH

SteveH
Magnum Fuel
AMA76186
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Hivoltage
Senior Heliman
Location: Newark, Ohio

OK!

Well, I guess if running just 2 modes is good enough for Alan Jr., then it is good enough for me.!!!!!

DK, I dont need a special mode for crashing....any mode will do.

I also have Throttle Hold, I just didnt mention it.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FinnDave
Elite Veteran
Location: Kouvola, Finland

Normal for starting and landing, idle-up one for general circuits and lops/rolls, idle-up 2 for scaring myself, hold for boom strikes.

David S., Kouvola, Finland
03-05-2003 Over year old.
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eric_b
Key Veteran
Location: Denver, CO, USA

flight modes

I guess I'm a programming freak - I use 5 flight modes.

Here is how I setup my radio (Airtronics Stylus):

Normal Mode - Hovering and take off
>> Gyro in rate mode.
>> Pitch from -4 to +10.
>> Expo on cyclic controls.

Idle up 1 - I use this mode for mild forward flight, sometimes if flying backwards circuits in strong wind.
>> Same pitch curve as normal mode (-4 to +10).
>> Raised throttle at the lower two points to keep blade rpm in descents.
>> Gyro in HH mode.
>> Expo on cyclic controls.

Idle up 2 - Aerobatic mode, inverted flight, 3D, etc.
>> Pitch from -10 to +10.
>> V shaped throttle curve - higher head speed than normal, or idle-up 1 modes.
>> Gyro in HH mode.
>> Expo on cyclic controls.

Idle up 3 - This is my 'piroflip' mode. I set up a separate idle-up for piroflips so I can set the tail rotation rate independently of my other modes.
>> Pitch from -10 to +10.
>> V shaped throttle curve - higher head speed than normal, or idle-up 1 modes.
>> Gyro in HH mode.
>> Linear travel on cyclic controls.
>> Tail rotor travel rate cut to about 65%.

Idle up 4 - Throttle hold - autorotation mode.
>> Pitch from -4 to +10.
>> Gyro in rate mode.
>> Expo on cyclic controls.

Notice that I have at least enough negative pitch in all modes to autorotate. I don't have to worry about which mode I'm in should the engine quit unexpectedly. My high and low pitch may vary a bit - I set it for as much pitch as possible without the engine bogging down.

All of these mode changes are ganged to my idle up switches. I don't have additional switches to flip to change gyro modes, travel rate or endpoint changes, or time delays functions. I just remember which switches activate which mode, and all of the other changes -in addition to the throttle and pitch changes- automatically switch too.

The pitch difference between the idle up 1 and 2 modes will normally make the helicopter jump when you switch modes. However, the Stylus has time delay functions which allow you to specify time delay movements between MODE changes. I set this to about 10 seconds, which means that it makes the move from the current servo mode/pitch position, to the new mode/pitch position (the pitch difference), over the time period specified (10 sec). I can switch between modes, at any time, and the heli never jumps. In a hover, the heli will >very< slowly start to descend when switching into idle-up 2 if you hold the sticks still. These time delay functions make the transition between modes seamless.

I also have lockouts on certain modes - i.e.: I can't accidentally enable throttle hold (idle-up 4) if I'm in idle-up 2 or 3(and inverted, for example). I have to be out of idle-up 2 to enable the throttle hold mode. Also, idle-up 3 cannot be switched ON unless idle-up 2 is also ON.

I use linear rate travel on cyclic controls in my piroflip mode, idle-up 3, because otherwise the expo will make the cyclic movements uneven when using my cyclic limiter ring.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
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Jeff H
Key Veteran
Location: Cincinnati, OH

Just 2 for me

Although I like the idea of a pyroflip mode, I might have to try that out
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
DrScoles
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA

I have idle1 and idle2 slightly different. normal mode is for starting heli...thats about it, idle 1&2 have exact same pitch curve, but atv and expo are different. I have a softer set up for rolling circles and other tricks that are easier for me with less input.

Mike
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
midwestpilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Crystal Lake, IL

uhhh one

I guess you could say 2...start mode and fly mode
I use a gov and I leave it in 3d mode all the time

I start it
set it down
flip one switch to turn on gov
and fly it...+10, -10 the whole time
I must say I don't spend a whole lot of time hovering and if I needed to I could dial down the head speed on my gov..but I dont...1800 all the time

Now I just got a 9c which has those nifty sliders on the side of the radio, so maybe i will slow the head down for hovering around...we will see.

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175
03-05-2003 Over year old.
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Hivoltage
Senior Heliman
Location: Newark, Ohio

Rich, I have a 9C radio too and a 7 channel receiver. What is the best way to set this govorner up keeping in mind that I only run an idle up1 like you are? Any good suggestions. Just getting ready to install a GV1

Thanks
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
sharam
Elite Veteran
Location: Northern California

3 Modes set

Normal, Idle-up 1 and Idle-up 2.

I don't use the Idle-up 1 all that much though - effectively I run 2 modes.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockier
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas

Why would you use more then 2 mode. Normal and idle up 1.

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03-05-2003 Over year old.
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GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

LOL

I use seven.
Normal for hoveringl
Aero 1 for rolling maneuvers
Aero 2 for pitch maneuvers
Aero 3 for pirouetting maneuvers
Aero 4 for high cyclic rate maneuvers
Aero 5 to set up for autos
Hold for autos


Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockier
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas

Gordie how do you remember with one you are in and if something goes wrong with one do you go to.

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03-05-2003 Over year old.
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deckerv
Veteran
Location: Wellsville, NY

is it bad or rough on equipment to use one idle up??? I usually run the ID2 with a higher headspeed..... since the heli is in constant motion anyway... Any thoughts??
03-05-2003 Over year old.
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SolarXtreme
Veteran
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA

Different modes to mange head speed and exponential. Normal mode and 2 idle ups. Idle up one is for basic aerobatics with headspeed governed to 1750 w/ 10% exponential and Idle up two is used for 3D with 1850 head speed and 15% exponential. Normal mode is governed at 1450 rpm for nice lazy hovering w/ 10% exponential. All modes pitch are -9 to +9 except for hold which is -9 to +12.
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I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

Avant EFX
Freya EVO
03-05-2003 Over year old.
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corey11
Elite Veteran
Location: Bay Area, California

i use 3, normal, idle up 1, and idle up 2. normal is the slowest head speed, idle up 1 is a little higher, and idle up 2 is mainly for heavy 3d
03-05-2003 Over year old.
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kirk
Veteran
Location: Thornton, Colorado

Modes

I use three right now. Took advise from Eric b and set up a piroflip mode which is on idle up 2. In this mode I set the tail to piro about one revolution per second. This has really helped me with the piroflip timing. Once I get better with piroflips I will probably only run 2 modes.
03-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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