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RC/helicopman
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Location: USA

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wow, that sure would be nice...if we weren't having this discussion. Enough time wasted...

WOW! At least we agree on something

Goodnight

07-06-2008 03:24 AM

dick smith
Senior Heliman
Location: perth

I dont see any pro thief crowd here. No one condones the actions of the thieves, but the antics of horn is the focus.

He wasnt under threat in his house , his property wasnt under threat , he was armed they wernt.He's gone outside to provoke them and then shot them in the back in COLD BLOOD.....

He was told by the police to stay inside his house, he ignored them, and he stated he was going to kill them......

So far, he has gotten away with MURDER...

Rcsoar 4fun, if i want your opinion......... i'll give it.

07-06-2008 09:22 AM

RonHill
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Location: ..

RC/helicopman

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Criminals they may be but any other references is a matter of opinion?

Maybe, but I happen to think criminals are pieces of ****.

You think they are, what?

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I am NOT a violent person by nature

Your statements of saying Horn would be dead, and having peoples brains blown out do not fit in with that claim.

dick smith

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I dont see any pro thief crowd here. No one condones the actions of the thieves, but the antics of horn is the focus.

With out their actions we would not be talking about this at all.

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He was told by the police to stay inside his house

Incorrect. He was told by a DISPATCHER to stay inside. And while I agree he should not have shot them...You are not entitled to your own facts.

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So far, he has gotten away with MURDER...

Your opinion. Luckily for him the grand jury does not agree with you.

Who is acting like judge and jury there?

07-06-2008 02:57 PM

50feet
Key Veteran
Location: Wilmington, Delaware

Its sad to see how many of you think a bag full of DVD is worth more than a human life.

I think this guy should not see the light of day for a while because he took the law in to his own hands and killed 2 people! If the cops would have got there I am sure they would not killed these people.

Whats worse some one breaking in to a house and taking some INSURED stuff or some PRICK VIGILANTE that has a fantasy of killing some waiting for his chance to do so.

Some of the people who make the wrong choice actually get set on the right track when they are busted and become Soldiers, Judges, Ect.

If you are my neighbor and you see some kids running with my DVD player DONT KILL THEM because I would not If I caught them unless it was a matter of life or death. I have a permit to carry and I don't think a DVD player is a deadly weapon. If this guy would have stayed in the house as instructed he would not have "been in fear of his life" and 2 sets of parent would not have to see there kids on a slab..

Save the killing for the rapist, drug dealing murderers, child molesters

To trust no one is to trust everyone equally

07-06-2008 02:58 PM

kryptik
Heliman
Location: South Carolina

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If the cops would have got there I am sure they would not killed these people.

The cops were there. An unmarked detetective watched the whole thing sitting in his car. He had picked up the 911 call, and arrived before Horn went outside. Neither Horn, nor the piece of shlt criminals knew he was there.

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Its sad to see how many of you think a bag full of DVD is worth more than a human life.

I bought that bag of dvds, that's why. And you can try to belittle the crime to suit your needs all you want, but it was not a bag of dvds. It was over $2000 in jewelry and similar items. There could have been an irreplaceable ring or pendant that had been in the family for hundreds of years. Something of little monetary value, but irreplaceable. Why should I have to watch a criminal run off with that? Because you think it's murder? Who are you again?

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2 sets of parent would not have to see there kids on a slap

On top of having to bury them, they ought to have their butts kicked for raising such scourges to society...

You guys keep bringing up the judge, jury, and executioner thing. You do realize due process is part of the constitution, right? That document is for us, not the whole world. These guys were not citizens, so they have no constitutional rights as far as I'm concerned. You do know that people in third world countries still have their hands cut off for crimes like this? I can't imagine what you guys would be saying if we cut their hands off...

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Save the killing for the rapist, drug dealing murderers, child molesters

There are people who would argue that even they don't need to die for their crimes. Your view to, to those people, is just as wrong as our view is to you. So you, in essence, are no different in your beliefs, than I am in mine. You just draw the line a little farther to the left is all...

If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't ...

07-06-2008 03:35 PM

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50feet
Key Veteran
Location: Wilmington, Delaware

Sad, Sad, Sad.....

Kill, Kill, Kill...

Many of you where probably saying that it was wrong for the Cops to shoot the fleeing bear in that other thread but its of kill the guy who took your DVD player, or jewels because you don't want you insurance premium to go up....

And this is why I think that some don't need guns!

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An unmarked detetective watched the whole thing sitting in his car. He had picked up the 911 call, and arrived before Horn went outside. Neither Horn, nor the piece of shlt criminals knew he was there.

And this is why this guy should be incarcerated.. Are you saying since the cop was there it was justified? I question why he did not get out and stop this from happening?

To trust no one is to trust everyone equally

07-06-2008 06:26 PM

kryptik
Heliman
Location: South Carolina

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Many of you where probably saying that it was wrong for the Cops to shoot the fleeing bear in that other thread but its of kill the guy who took your DVD player, or jewels because you don't want you insurance premium to go up.... And this is why I think that some don't need guns!

What is your fascination with DVD players? You keep bringing up DVDs and DVD players. I said an irreplaceable family heirloom. You think if my father gave me the ring his family had passed down for generations, I wouldn't kill a man dead for trying to steal it from me? Bra, I'd be more upset at the fact I wasn't being recompensated for the high dollar ammo it took to stop him. Hell, I might even sue his family for a new box of Hydra-shocks. I've said before, if I catch you trying to steal something of no real monetary value, like a weedeater, or a DVD PLAYER, I may draw on you and tell you to stop, and I may even chase you down and beat the crap out of you, but I wouldn't shoot you unless you charged at me...like the criminal piece of shlt did to Joe Horn after Horn told him to freeze. You think I would stand there, knowing I had a gun, and let you charge me and put your hands on me? Once again, he wouldn't even hear the shot. But everyone else would. That's not kill, kill, kill. That's self preservation. Last time I checked, that was one of my rights...regardless of how much you feel otherwise.

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And this is why this guy should be incarcerated.. Are you saying since the cop was there it was justified? I question why he did not get out and stop this from happening?

Nope, I'm saying since a cop watched it, and testified to what he saw, evidently no law was broken. See, breaking laws is what gets you incarcerated. Not doing something 50feet doesn't like...

If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't ...

07-06-2008 06:59 PM

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RC/helicopman
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Location: USA

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Maybe, but I happen to think criminals are pieces of ****. You think they are, what?

I think they are criminals Ron, but I don't think all criminals are pieces of crap.

However regardless of what my or your opinion of the criminals, my point is and my point has always been, that the crime did not fit the punishment dished out by Horn. They were not robbing him nor did they seem to be a threat to his life or any of his property. Therefore I do not feel he had the right to terminate their lives. Property can be replaced but lives one taken cannot be replace by man.

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Your statements of saying Horn would be dead, and having peoples brains blown out do not fit in with that claim.

I know that I am not a violent person and therefore I can make that claim, if you knew exactly who it was you were talking to you might agree, but since you don't know who is behind this handle you can't be sure. However, people do know who you are and I personally think of you as a level headed guy and a good pilot

07-06-2008 10:24 PM

GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

A significant percentage of human beings live lives that are worth LESS to the well-being of this planet than the cost of the air they breath. The 2 repeat criminal illegal aliens Joe Horn killed were but two such unworthy breathers.

Given that overall, as a species, mankind's presence on this planet is more like a cancer than anything beneficial, REMOVING TUMORS can hardly be viewed as tragic by any but the MANY misguided and/or misinformed.

All you who imagine that Joe Horn committed a crime -- get ye TO SCHOOL and educate yourselves about the actual, real fundamental ways of the world.

07-07-2008 02:39 AM

50feet
Key Veteran
Location: Wilmington, Delaware

DVD's

I don't think any material item is worth taking or giving up a life for.

I don't have a issue with an eye for an eye but I think deadly force should be used as a last resort. And I don't think we need to take the law into our own hands. These murders were clearly premeditated.

He said he was going to kill them on the 911 call before they even came out and he did with no warning. The in fear of his life crap is BS. The last time I checked premeditated murder was a crime to and I think its worse that burglary.

To trust no one is to trust everyone equally

07-07-2008 02:56 AM

GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

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He said he was going to kill them on the 911 call before they even came out and he did with no warning.

Wrong.

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The in fear of his life crap is BS.

So what? You have a problem with removing tumors before they become MORE malignant? That's not terribly bright thinking. Back to school for you.

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07-07-2008 02:58 AM

50feet
Key Veteran
Location: Wilmington, Delaware

Hmmm...

That would depend on the tumor.. I am not doctor but using you tumor analogy.. How do you determine if these tumors were malignant or benign?

To trust no one is to trust everyone equally

07-07-2008 03:11 AM

GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

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How do you determine if these tumors were malignant or benign?

Activate brain. Open peepers. Confirm connection between peepers and brain. Become observationally cognizant. Evaluate evidence. Assign value.

And . . . done.

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07-07-2008 03:18 AM

kryptik
Heliman
Location: South Carolina

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These murders were clearly premeditated. He said he was going to kill them on the 911 call before they even came out and he did with no warning. The in fear of his life crap is BS.

So why didn't you do something to stop it, since you were clearly there, and have first hand knowledge of the incident.

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I don't think any material item is worth taking or giving up a life for.

I do...

"Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding..."

If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't ...

07-07-2008 03:26 AM

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fiveoboy01
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Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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That would depend on the tumor.. I am not doctor but using you tumor analogy.. How do you determine if these tumors were malignant or benign?

Considering they had previous criminal records and were ILLEGAL aliens, then yes I'd have to say they were malignant.

Good riddance to two scumbags.

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07-07-2008 03:29 AM

50feet
Key Veteran
Location: Wilmington, Delaware

Is that the best you can do?

Does every kid going through a rebellious phase that may commit a couple of petty crimes going to evolve in to a killer...?

If you get caught committing the crime of speeding more than once twice or 3x do we put you down before you end up killing some on in a car accident...?

Open your F'in eyes

To trust no one is to trust everyone equally

07-07-2008 03:31 AM

kryptik
Heliman
Location: South Carolina

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Does every kid going through a rebellious phase that may commit a couple of petty crimes going to evolve in to a killer...?

Not if I can help it...

Here you go, belittling the crime again. This wasn't a couple of "kids being rebellious". These were grown men, in this country illegally, with prior felony convictions. Hardened criminals, caught in the act. And now they are dead.

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Open your F'in eyes

Take your own advice... You quit cottling the criminals, and we won't have to shoot them.

"Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding..."

If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't ...

07-07-2008 03:39 AM

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50feet
Key Veteran
Location: Wilmington, Delaware

You guys need to stop your holier than thou BS...

I wonder what you would think if this were your freaking brothers dead...

You are not shooting any one... Your talking tough guy crap

Your gun does not make you a tough guy and if you think it does you are a p***Y thats scared to or cant give or take a beating. Probably got bullied in school or turned down by your local PD.

To trust no one is to trust everyone equally

07-07-2008 04:18 AM

kryptik
Heliman
Location: South Carolina

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You guys need to stop your holier than thou BS...

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. Play nice...

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I wonder what you would think if this were your freaking brothers dead...

I would probably think...Wow, my brother shouldn't have been such a worthless piece of shlt. Now he's dead. But hey, live by the gun, die by the gun. Now who said that...?

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You are not shooting any one... Your talking tough guy crap Your gun does not make you a tough guy and if you think it does you are a p***Y thats scared to or cant give or take a beating. Probably got bullied in school or turned down by your local PD.

I never claimed it made me a tough guy, and the only kitty-kat here is, well...I think we know.

So according to you, if me or my family's life is threatened by one of your good buddy criminals, we should take a beating? Wrong. I carry a weapon to defend myself, my family, and my property. I don't claim to be a tough guy, I claim to be someone that will defend what is important to me. I don't go looking for criminals, but if one seeks me out, I try to be ready. Here's a thought, instead of trying to covince me not to shoot your convict compadres, why don't you try to convince them to not be worthless pieces of shlt? Oh yeah...because they would probably rob and kill you. Typical sheep mentality...

"Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding..."

If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't ...

07-07-2008 04:25 AM

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Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: Austin, TX. Where fat chicks succeed.

@50feet

I have not had a traffic ticket since may 1992. That is over 16 YEARS!!
I have never received a citation while driving a car. My 2 tickets in my life I received on motor cycles, several years apart.

I could not be in the boy scouts when I was a kid because my folks could not afford the uniforms and costs associated with it.

My family was not wealthy when I was kid, in fact, the tax man served us notice of tax foreclosure, on Jan. 14, 1976. My folks kept their property by the skin of their teeth.

I have no sympathy for "you would do the same" BS.

It is a very simple matter to not get killed when in my presence. Don't hurt me, my friends/family or take/damage my stuff and you may live. Do otherwise and you deserve what you get.

When people steal stuff from you they steal the time of your life that it took to pay for the stuff.

Anyone who takes my time is going to get ALL of their time taken back.

The best thing about this whole criminal shooting is that it sets precedent for future criminals to get shot. SWEET!

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours

07-07-2008 04:26 AM

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