rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 329 ONLINE 28 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
1 page1230 viewsPOST REPLY
JR-Spektrum . Gyro Hobbies . E-flite

.
.
Got Jet Fuel? Turbine Helicopters > Sorry for the dumb question
 
 
bertcmg
Heliman
Location: Montreal Canada

I just bought two books on turbines havent read them but I want to know what is this ECU ? can someone break down a Turbine heli's operation to me in plain english


Thanks in advance



Bert
03-04-2003 Over year old.
 
 
edg
Senior Heliman
Location: San Francisco, CA

Yes, I Believe it is Electronic Control Unit.
It also comes with a GSU -- Ground Support Unit. This plugs
into the ECU and gives you a readout as well as allowing programming
and manual iginitiion.

The ECU controls and monitors a number of the turbine operations. It's basically wired into the kerosene pump, propane valve, glow plug, starter motor, Rx and finally the Turbine itself (I would assume the latter is a an exhaust temp probe and tachometer). While it looks like a big tangle of tubes and wires, the basic operation is pretty easy to understand.

There's kind of 2 systems: starting support and running. At start, the ECU spins up the turbine to low RPM via the start motor. It then opens the propane (actually propane/butane mix) valve to send the gas to the turbine and sends a current to the glow plug. foomf. The gas ignites and the turbine spins up. The process has to become self-sustaining so that the compressor, which also runs off the spinning turbine, is at high enough speed to force air for the kerosene combustion. At some point the propane value is shut off and the kerosene fuel pump is started.

The Turbine continues to wind up to it's running RPM. It's not until the RPM is reached that the ECU gives operational control of the turbine to commands from the Rx. I assume exhaust temp is constantly monitered and a shutdown will occur if temp is too high.


-edg-
03-04-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
bertcmg
Heliman
Location: Montreal Canada

Sorry One more question

First I would like to thank you guys for your replies, I just wanted to make sure that I am on the right track

Now here is the thing, I am planning on building a turbine engine and finally mate it to a heli

Now I know that I am capable to machining the parts required because I will have access to tons of industrial machines / Help

My question is what companies manifacture ECU's and if you could point me to thier websites so I can research them

I have purchesed a few plans and few books as well
03-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
bertcmg
Heliman
Location: Montreal Canada

that would be great I am trying to do this as cheaply so any used stuff will definatly be helpful. Also If I may ask why do we use Kerosene would'nt it using compressed Propane/ butane mix help in longer flying times and lncrease feul to weight ratio


thanks


Bert
03-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Turbine building association..

http://www.gtba.cnuce.cnr.it/
check it out..

Naomi
03-07-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
bertcmg
Heliman
Location: Montreal Canada

If they give better milage then why dont modlers use them ?

Also what is the primary difference between turbines use in model jets and helis ( apart from the mechanics )

I am sorry but I have a lot of questions

Can you suggest any other books on the subjects so far I have the model jet by Schrekling ad another one by Kamps
03-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Peter Wales
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando Fl

Ok lets try and answer a few of these questions

The ECU is the electronic control unit and Major manufacturers have them built to control their own turbines. The minor manufacturers seem to have gone to the Orbit ECU which is fully reprogrammable. Its about $200.
http://www.paf-flugmodelle.de/Katalogseiten/orbit.htm
The site is in German so good luck with it.
Early turbines did use Propane as fuel but its not easy to handle or store and I prefer to mess with kerosene as a liquid than propane as a liquid.
Free turbines have been under development for a long time and they are now becoming available. I believe they will eventually takeover from the direct drive system but there are more problems to be over come. In both cases you need a gearbox to reduce the output speed to the headspeed of the heli, so with a free turbine system you need to add more parts to the engine which makes an already expensive item even more costly. Just remember trhat this is a very new technology and new ideas are being developed every day, but the market is very small and development costs are high. Bob wilcox told me that he sells 20 -25 aircraft turbines for every heli turbine.
Another problem with the free turbine is that the engine speed is controlled and the head speed is not. In this case turbine lag is going to be a major factor in controlling headspeed. Until I get mine flying (maybe today with a bit of luck) I wont know how much of a problem this is. The AMA insists the head speed be limited to 2000 rpm so some sort of control will have to be introduced before they becomeAMA legal, not that it concerns you being in Canada.
Wren and others do make turbine kits which can be assembled without the need for sophisticated machine tools. Behotec is another, if you want a larger unit and in fact both the Jetcat and the Jakodofsky heli turbines are based on the Behotec 66.
Finally ,the best advice you got was from Heligal, join the gas turbine builders association, they have done everything you want to do and more.
I hope that helps

Peter Wales
03-07-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
1 page1230 viewsPOST REPLY
Next D . Fast Lad Performance . Ace Hobby

.
.
Got Jet Fuel? Turbine Helicopters > Sorry for the dumb question
  UPDATE SCREEN   PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Tuesday, October 7 - 10:29 am - Copyright © 2000 - 2008 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie