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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > Not quite convinced!

Tsuper
Heliman
Location: Canada West

Seriously considering the HBK2 as a winter/indoor garage trainer, but need some advice. I cannot fly yet but have crashed my Raptor 30 Nitro twice while learning. I can bounce really good. LOL

So till now I have spent a lot of money already and have a 9C radio, 401 gyro which I could use for a Micro Heli.

Should I ? ( with a budget of about $400)

A) Purchase it(HB2K) before I sink some money into my T-rex SA 450 ARF(It was a gift) that is just sitting waiting for the unexpected expenses such as Li-po, servo's, charger, reciever, 12V power supply etc. = around $600.I would train in my garage during the cold Canadian winter. Maybe take it out on those warm chinook(above zero) days.

Is it good enough to learn on? It looks so apealing, because you get the chargers, batterys and everything you need to fly.

B) Wait until I have enough money for all the extra's to get the T-rex up and running. Is it that much better to learn with?

I know that getting parts for the HB2K would be a little harder. I have read all the posts on RunRyder about the HB2K and realize that I should really get 2 of them(one for parts) plus brushless motors as a minimum.

C) Or sould I use a combination of A and B above and slowly build up with servo's, batterys etc. that will work in both the HB2K and the 450 T-rex.

I just as many on this forum do, want to have as much fun as possible and learn how to fly those little flying beasts.

Thanks in advance......Tim

11-29-2007 Over year old.

DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Times a wasting Tim, I was going to get a TREX also but being on a tight budget now, I got the RTF King and I loved it right away. The stock King motor gets very hot and doesnt last very long but it will work for awhile till you get a brushless set-up(under 50 bucks worth every penny) The stock plastic head is well designed and will work nicely thru your learning process. The stock rate gyro is O.K for what it is, but you already have a 401, so maybe you could put that on.
I ended up Putting a TREX SE head and tail on the King and I really feel I now have the perfect bird for me. You get the precison of the TREX head ,the simplicity of the king frame and the thing only weighs 14 oz without the battery which is alot lighter than the TREX so the power to weight ratio is awesome. A simulator will also help you TRAIN YOUR BRAIN for new orientations and suprises. Spare parts are alot easier to get now with the popularity of the King growing by leaps and bounds. Get the King , you won't be dissapointed IMO.

P.S. My flying buddy has had the stock King for three months now except for BL motor and a Telebee HH gyro and he loves it and doesn't want to change a thing and doesn't want a TREX.

11-29-2007 Over year old.

RescueHelicopter
Veteran
Location: Portland Oregon

How about the Esky Belt-CP?

I have one and they are great. Bigger and more stable than the HBK2.
Comes with a brushless motor and ESC servos and non HH gyro for $129!!

this is the deal of the day here

http://www.helidirect.com/

11-29-2007 Over year old.

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toolman18
Key Veteran
Location: Portland, Texas

Thanks

Just bought one. Thanks for the link. The wife agreed to it. Hooray.
Brad

We need video proof around here.

11-29-2007 Over year old.

tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

I sure would love to have a belt cp! But I would say no for the indoor garage thing like was said there is now no reason to not get a HBK2 its a perfect heli chances are once you get it the TREX will be sold or used for parts cause you'll fall in love with this little hot machine. its not to hard to learn on but will advance to whatever you want to do with it.

I suggest you go to JAGHobbies.com right now order the Barebones kit $65 and use your existing equipment. Or he is now selling brushless RTF kits give them a look and youll find which kit you need the $400 is overkill so I would suggest BB kit and extra batteries. I got $470 in mine but that includes

Futaba 6EX 2.4ghz $200
brushless motor and esc $50
barebones kit $75
megapower lipo $30
gy240 HHgyro $120
I used servos from BCPP freebie otherwise 4 servos $8-$15

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

11-29-2007 Over year old.

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Tsuper
Heliman
Location: Canada West

I still can't believe the price of the HB2K...$65 is unreal.
I could of bought 6 of them after my last Raptor Crash. (almost $300, my throttle stuck open and took out my OS32 motor, my S9253 servo, main frame, etc...)

Noticed that my T-REX came with the Align 430L 3550 motor and 35A ESC.

Will this work in the HB2K?

Also what would I need to get the 9C futaba to work with the HB2K?
Would a cheap(non-futaba) receiver work with it?
What servo's? Which to work with the 401 gyro?

I am almost convinced and thank all who have responded so far.

BTW Tyran02 I have a large garage with 10 ft high ceilings in which to train.(I could have a lot of fun in there, I sure).

There is a Canadian Supplier I found that will have stock next week for $100 USD HB2K ATF with extra's...includes everything plus training gear and balancing charger.

I don't think I would do it without help forums like these.
Keep up the good work guys.

12-01-2007 Over year old.

tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Tsuper
I don't understand your flying skills to answer you questions? Crashing a small heli is cheaper but a crash none the less. Are you just learning and where are you flying the raptor? Maybe a sim is the right thing for you to do. Not for me though I'm not much of a video game guy I dont have a single one on my PC. I have an RC heli If I want to play games. I by nature would try to convince you to buy an HBK2. But if you have a capable TREX and local parts why spend more money than you already have. I learned slow and steady wins the race I started last march with a crap heli then got the king in july thats when I learned to fly but the TREX is a very capable heli but not as stable its a rocket or so Ive heard. When your bouncing do it low to the ground it doesn't cost near as much. As for the garage I am building the same 10ft

. But you only need a 10 x 10 x 8 for hover practice never get more than 3ft up when hovering a foot is just fine. That way when you freak out and loose control just shut it down drag the heli back to center and repeat. Until you can hover tail in for a whole battery and whistle a tune while doing it instead of grinding your teeth DO NOT MOVE ON.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

12-01-2007 Over year old.

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Tsuper
Heliman
Location: Canada West

Alex

I have FMS and an adaptor for my 9C futaba which I have been playing with for 4 years. I am not great but can do basic forward flight.

Sims just don't thrill me. I have to fly the real thing. I will use them to learn on, but it isn't that much fun.

tryan02

What skill? I quess you could say a wanabee RC/Heli pilot. Absolute beginner, flown about 20 times with raptor(out on family farm, local deserted parks) as I said I can bounce really good. Started in March 2003, crashed a couple times and then my interests changed. Love nitro's to a point, don't like the mess. Electric's caught my eye, no mess, smaller and am ready to go.

Goal is to learn to fly and have fun doing it, in my backyard, garage or park. It might be the time(great strides over the years) to go with the best 300 class heli to learn with. I plan to follow radd's method. Maybe in my dinning room eh!

thx

12-01-2007 Over year old.

copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi
yes , follow radd's method , a ton of people have used it and with a small electric , it is just the ticket , get training gear ( CF rods and ping-pong balls ) , and don't be ashamed to use them , the really small fixed pitch machines will really take a beating and get right back up , best of luck to you , dana

12-01-2007 Over year old.

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tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

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get training gear ( CF rods and ping-pong balls ) , and don't be ashamed to use them , the really small fixed pitch machines will really take a beating and get right back up

what a chicken

If you learn to hover a few inches off the ground like rads says in the box you'll get it someday it will all just click. and you dont tear up much a few inches off the ground.

I hate TG tried a friends BCPP they may protect the blades from tipover but Completely changed the flight characteristics of the heli. My friend was amazed I couldnt fly his heli he took off the training gear and off I went. Most will tell you to get a sim and a coaxial I sure am glad I didn't listen too them.

As soon as I say hover a few inches off the ground everyone cries ground effect thats a myth below is a link of me and my HBK2 to prove it. Learn to do this for a whole pack and then get a little higher as you get comfortable with the bird of your choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G5W4HVfUdY

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

12-02-2007 Over year old.

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Tsuper
Heliman
Location: Canada West

Convinced! (Thanks to all)

I am going to order the exciting HBK2 right away.
And maybe upgrade the motor and ESC.

Will my new Align 430L 3550Kv motor and 35A ESC be too much for it?

Tim

12-03-2007 05:05 PM

DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

That motor and ESC will only be too much for it , if it is too much for you. The heli can handle it, you might want to try an 8 or 9 tooth pinion first and get used to it first and increase the pinion size as you move along.

12-03-2007 05:53 PM

tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

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That motor and ESC will only be too much for it , if it is too much for you. The heli can handle it, you might want to try an 8 or 9 tooth pinion first and get used to it first and increase the pinion size as you move along.

As a council member I'll second that motion.

The 8 or 9t pinion is the best advice so far. I had an 8t on mine it was very docile with brushless power to keep it stable I was a little depressed how stable it was. So I got a 10t Now thats the heli I wanted.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

12-03-2007 11:49 PM

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DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Its a little more active tonite !!!!!!!

12-04-2007 02:21 AM

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