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legoman67
Elite Veteran
Location: Nanoose Bay B.C, Canada

This was originally suggested by umdpru in the off topics, but i liked the idea so much i thought i would pass it on.

By "umdpru"
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I do however feel that MR should institute some kind of a "strike out" policy regarding sales on RR. Example, you screw 3 transactions/people over by doing exactly what ***** did and you have lost ALL privelidges to trade/sell on RR. It DOES affect the RR Classified's reputation when people scam others...

I think this would be a great idea, if the seller gets 3 legit negitives he is banned from posting in the classifieds.

Matt M.
http://www.filepile.ca
11-17-2007 04:14 AM
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ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

I too think this is a good idea... and let the community decide what constitutes a strike. For example, the Nick J. thread in the Off Topics would be one.... heck, IMHO it should count for all 3

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders
11-17-2007 04:26 AM
 
 
HeliFisher
Senior Heliman
Location: Verdi , Nevadafornia

I agree with the guys above. I'm totally new to helis and I would love to be able to pickup some used equipment in the classified section...but I won't. At least not until there is some sort of policy like to the one mentioned earlier. I understand that it is "Buyer Beware" but that doesn't mean people should be able to do whatever they want with no fear of consequences. I believe there is a certain responsibility that goes along with offering a service like this. I mean who are we looking out for here, the good guy or the bad guy?!?

Thats my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

-Keith

Stick bangin' cuz my hands are shakin' !!
11-17-2007 04:56 AM
 
 
Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

Re: Very Active and Free Classifieds

For the most part, the free classifieds work well. Any rating system would be gamed. RR gives you the links so you can research and easily understand who you are going to deal with.

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder Dot Com LLC
11-17-2007 05:07 AM
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HeliFisher
Senior Heliman
Location: Verdi , Nevadafornia

So I guess I will continue not using it. Bummer!

Thanks for the reply though Mark. I dig the site.

Stick bangin' cuz my hands are shakin' !!
11-17-2007 05:54 AM
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

Mark's a good guy... no doubt... I'm sure if he could come up with a managable way to police the a$$hats he'd implement it in a heartbeat.

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders
11-17-2007 07:12 AM
 
 
AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Under the tire of a truck

I think banning someone from using the classifieds for negative feedback in any amount would be wrong. I'm sure someone is bound not to be happy with a deal even after looking over an item and asking questions and getting exactly what was described. I sell some items on ebay. I always put in my ads pictures and tell people to ask questions so they know what they will be getting because all sales are final. New items aren't usually a problem, but used items are a problem. You describe it the best you can, but the person buying may not fully understand the details given or choose not to ask questions. Then decide they want to return it after knowing it says all sales are final. On occasion I take some of these items back, but I expect the other person to eat the shipping both ways.
Like it has been said before. There are plenty of tools available to check someone out who has been selling here on runryder. On big ticket items, I suggest getting whole name, address, and phone number and call and talk to them. Follow good business practices too. If you haven't dealth with them before, get the money first, then ship. Once money is received ship promptly or notify the person when item is to be shipped. Buyers ask specific questions. Sellers answer those questions honestly. And remember always leave feedback whether you are the buyer or the seller so that others may know how that person is to deal with.

Man, I miss the eighties.
11-17-2007 01:07 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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I think banning someone from using the classifieds for negative feedback in any amount would be wrong. I'm sure someone is bound not to be happy with a deal even after looking over an item and asking questions and getting exactly what was described. I sell some items on ebay.

Thats why it would be difficult to implement this type of a policy, you can always have that one guy who, no matter what the seller does or doesnt do, is just not happy with the transaction. This type of person would not use the above system correctly and would take full advantage of it to slur someones name.

the "Nick J" thread is a perfect example of the type of publicly discussed thread that would count for a strike against the member.


In the end, it would be a lot of legwork for MR to decide for himself who is right and who is wrong.


the Bottom line is "Buyer Beware". If the buyer doesnt do their due diligence before sending payment or offering payment for an item then it is ultimately their fault for not researching it.

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.
11-17-2007 02:30 PM
 
 
AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Under the tire of a truck

I would like to add one thing about intentional scammers. If a person is caught purposely scamming, then they should be removed from runryder altogether. Negative feedback on classified activity isn't necessarily proof. One item being lost in the mail isn't scamming. Scamming is hard to stop with people being able to make accounts over and over again. People here have been pretty good at catching ebay scams. Catching scams on here when they first appear is harder. Its only after a few deals before its found out that someone is scamming. Then they can change names and do it all over again. So, do your research. Protect yourself reasonably. And remember that buying anything through the mail is taking a chance.

Man, I miss the eighties.
11-17-2007 03:11 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Perhaps Mark can come up with a way to list alternate screen names using the same IP?

IE, if you make up a new sn, the profile will list what other screen names you use under the same IP? He has successfully "caught" certain individuals looking to make waves using "secret" new screen names.

that way if someone is a repeat scammer on a new screen name the history will be there.

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.
11-19-2007 01:24 PM
 
 
legoman67
Elite Veteran
Location: Nanoose Bay B.C, Canada

or make mailing address a requirement, then go by any of the feilds in there, like zip or postal code.

Matt M.
http://www.filepile.ca
11-19-2007 03:42 PM
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ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

the problem with the ip / nick association is that the truely crafty / shady ones will use open proxies to disguise their real IP.

It'd also still be difficult to track dial-up and AOL users. Many AOL users unknowingly are routed through a proxy and appear to the world as one address.

This is going OT but something I've always thought useful would be simply including the source ip in the metadata of each post. A lot of different sites record and publish the poster's ip address for eveyrone to see.

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders
11-19-2007 04:20 PM
 
 
Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

Good ideas. Alias detection is on the to-do list.

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder Dot Com LLC
11-19-2007 04:33 PM
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SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

well, I think recent events here on RR have shown that a few members can create quite a stir by using multiple screen names. I think there should be something instituted to weed out these type of people.

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.
11-19-2007 04:34 PM
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

You should've seen the fiasco Jim Graham just endured over at RCG. It was quite sad and the source was one of RR's very own.

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders
11-19-2007 05:13 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

got a link?

By one of RR's very own, one of the shady suspects here?

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.
11-19-2007 05:48 PM
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

It's all been cleaned up... like it never happened... complete with MiB sunglasses and zapper thingy. I'll drop ya PM about it.

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders
11-19-2007 06:01 PM
 
 
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