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e-Century Hummingbird - Swift > Pay your respect to the faithfull Hummingbird FP now discontinued!!!
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Willie,

What version was your hummer? How many years ago did you purchase it? What radio equipment did you use on it?

As the initial V1's and V2's were some of the first (pioneers) micros to hit the market, they obviously would have some growing pains and those of us learning to fly them would also have a steep learning curve, as they did/do require different set-ups. e.g. freedom of the ball link movement is crucial as the micro servos have very little torque compared to standard servos...specially those available a number of years ago.

There is a vast difference between the V1's/V2's and the V3's/V4's.

To demonstrate this, I take my old STOCK V3 to many indoor events and let fliers of nitros and big electric helis have at it. The overwhelming consensus is that they are very impressed with it, as it is almost as stable (I hover mine with my hands over my head) as the a coax, yet much more maneuverable, without being as twitchy as the Blade CP.

My first micro was the one from MS Composite, which was much more expensive and difficult to build, set-up and keep flying (more fragile). It almost turned me off to indoor micros. Fortunately, I (and as you see here), many others, found the Hummer.

The RTF V4 version was a great package IMHO. As it flew great, right out of the box with no modes and the motors seemed to last forever.

Mine now has logged its' 161st flight and the first motor went for 78 flights before needing replacement (still on the second motor). I know they even fly better and longer with lipos, but I like to fly mine in its' STOCK configuration including the old heavy NiMh's, just so naysayers can see how well it can fly in that configuration.

Phil
02-13-2008 05:38 PM
 
 
willie evans
Veteran
Location: Alberta, Canada

I had a V1 and a v3, I won the later at GH ff 3-4 years ago?

the v1 one was not as good (not even close) as my picolo, the v3 was close.

I never owned one but alway's like the body jobs.
02-13-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
titch2
New Heliman
Location: UK

Hummer V3 Tail boom

Hi,
I am from the Uk & can,t get a replacement boom anywere all the stores here say its not produced any more.The fitting that holds the boom supports is also broken.The people at Century were not much help They just said that I should try on this site as they thought another producers part might fit.I have only had this machine out of the box 4 times & think Century have let me down regarding spares. I shall not be buying any more of there products if this is the way they treat their customers.
02-28-2008 09:10 AM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

Still fly mine from time to time.

Rick
02-28-2008 05:41 PM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey Titch2,

I'm sorry to hear of your lack of support from CenturyUK, I can only appologise on their behalf and actually mention that they to are a little miffed at the demise of the Hummingbird. Not only as it was a great little model but because of all the fliers in the Uk who'd brought the model. But alas that is a different story.

I still have mine, I dont know how much longer for but turly love the little Hummer as its great fun.
In my quest to find possible alternatives to spares I came across this : http://www.xheli.com/wadr4rarecor.html

Looks remarkable similar, albeit with the older style carbon/plastic under carriage but a nicer canopy. Might be worth looking into perhaps.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
02-28-2008 06:28 PM
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Greybird
Veteran
Location: Davie, Florida

Those E-Sky Honey Bees look pretty close too. You can buy a bare bones and transfer your electronics for 69 bucks. The new frame and tailboom would have cost 25-30bucks anyway if you could find them.
02-28-2008 08:24 PM
 
 
Leonidas
Heliman
Location: UK

Titch,

It is bad that Century just stopped it and now offer no support, Coolice, do you know why?

I have several Century helicopters and over the years I have been gobsmacked with Century UK's attitude and appauling customer service on numerous occasions.
I find their prices relatively high too and have started moving over to Align and TT.

As for spares for the Hummer, try 'flightbox.co.uk', the boom can be replaced with a length of 5mm carbon tube, just make sure the ID is not too small for the wires or if it is you could run them on the outside. My frame has broken where the boom fits onto it so I glued a piece of CF tube with an ID fractionally bigger than the OD of the boom, don't cyano the boom in just use some hot melt glue then you can remove it with a little heat. The boom supports are for looks only so if you can't fix them don't worry. The Walkera Dragonfly canopy fits with a little moding and is a lot thicker than the original and half the price. I can't beleive the Hummingbird canopy is £9.99 when a TT Mini Titan canopy, with the carbon look-a-like screen is cheaper.

I'm sure most bits can be replaced with other makes, it's just finding the right ones. If you replace the tail gear, make sure it is a firm fit on the shaft, I fitted one that would spin on the shaft and the shimying added load to the motor and burned it out in about 30mins.

Good luck!
02-28-2008 08:37 PM
 
 
Silvashadow
Senior Heliman
Location: Bexley, Kent, UK

Hi Leonidas and Titch2,

It's not Century UK who stopped making the Hammer it was Century USA. I to fly a number of Century helis and enjoy them all from my little FP Hummer up to a Predator 90. I agree with you that the pricce of spares are quite high, especially when compared to the Align birds. But again this is driven by the cost of the parts imported from Century USA. But as Coolice said that is all a different story.

I to am sorry that you have both been dissapointed in the service you have recieved from Century UK. I have always found them most helpful. I will admit I do know them all very well. I am sure that if you sent an e-mail to them in a friendly tone with constuctive criticisms it would be most welcome so as they can imporve the service.

Regards,

Graham S.
02-28-2008 09:56 PM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey Leonidas,

No I am afraid I dont know the real reason why the Hummer got shelved so to speak, all I know is CenturyUS sold all the moulds.

In recent years CenturyUK's ability to help their customers has greatly improved, I've always been around for many years now but it is difficult to answer & help everyone on my own. We know have extra help who are actually based at CenturyUK's HQ and so obtaining help over the phone direct is easier.
I play my part here and in other forums as much as I can, also via email and telephone if ever anyone needs any advice which cannot be communicated via email.

As you mention all the spares are available for the Hummer's to keep them flying, it is just a matter of finding the right part from another machine/source.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
02-28-2008 10:10 PM
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Leonidas
Heliman
Location: UK

Thanks Graham, I did realise the ceased Hummer scenario was not UK doing. Are you saying that the prices of C-UK are high because C-US charge them a high price? I run 3 predators, soon to become one (static), just can't justify the cost when there is so many other helis around of equal and better quality at lesser prices.

Just compare the Predator prices in UK with US - I bought one of these recently http://www.centuryuk.com/Products/H...r+Spares?pos=29, it's nearly four times the cost of one in the US http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=3703 and that's just a small part.

If it is C-US charging C-UK high prices and causing them to be this expensive, UK are going to loose out.
02-29-2008 09:10 AM
 
 
Silvashadow
Senior Heliman
Location: Bexley, Kent, UK

Leonidas, from what little I know you have just about summed it up.
03-01-2008 01:06 PM
 
 
Leonidas
Heliman
Location: UK

So where do you think the reason for the high prices lay as most parts are twice the price in the UK compared to what our US friends have to pay:

1. C-US charge C-UK a high price. (This would be counter productive and lead to self-termination in the UK market although I do realise, in the grand scheme, the UK is a rather a small cheese - sad but true!)

2. Import duty is obsurdly high. (Can't be this as other manufacturers manage to get very good prices on the UK shelves)

3. C-UK are overcharging. (This would be counter productive and lead Century's demise in the UK.)


It's got to be one of these or have I missed something?!

Sorry we are straying a little of topic but always wondered what the reason is but did not want to start a post purely about this issue.
03-01-2008 03:05 PM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey,

It's basically your number 2 option

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2. Import duty is obsurdly high. (Can't be this as other manufacturers manage to get very good prices on the UK shelves)

Combined with shipping costs as well. CenturyUK do not make much if anything on 90 size kits as there just isn't any margin in them, I was told this a few years ago when the MAX90 first came out.
The price of kits has to reflect and incorporate what it costs the importers to bring them in.

It is a real shame but that's the way it is unfortunately.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
03-01-2008 03:41 PM
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Leonidas
Heliman
Location: UK

So how come other manfactuers can get their products on the shelf at very reasonable prices?
03-01-2008 04:26 PM
 
 
willie evans
Veteran
Location: Alberta, Canada

In regards to the quote...
Why can't Century marketing to England through Phil he is a distributor?
Canada is part of the commonwealth and duty's are almost non existent.
could be Century is greedy for any proffit availible and not just expanding there market for the customers.


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Hey,

It's basically your number 2 option

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2. Import duty is obsurdly high. (Can't be this as other manufacturers manage to get very good prices on the UK shelves)
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Combined with shipping costs as well. CenturyUK do not make much if anything on 90 size kits as there just isn't any margin in them, I was told this a few years ago when the MAX90 first came out.
The price of kits has to reflect and incorporate what it costs the importers to bring them in.

It is a real shame but that's the way it is unfortunately
03-01-2008 05:49 PM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

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So how come other manfactuers can get their products on the shelf at very reasonable prices?

Hey,

I dont know is the simple answer mate, lower quality and higher volumes of parts made perhaps?

Also lets not forget tooling, in this case CNC & Moulding Machines. If a comapny already has these for producing other products not related to RC in anyway then using them to produce RC components as well is easy and cheap.
A dedicated RC manufacturer has to obviously cover the costs of buying the equipment though the production of heli kits, other companies who are producing heli kits as a sideline do not as their main business pays for the RC stuff.

Again could be wrong but thats one option.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
03-01-2008 07:09 PM
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Leonidas
Heliman
Location: UK

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lower quality and higher volumes of parts made perhaps

Not sure I'm with you on that one, I certainly would not say that Align and TT are lower quality than Century, yet their prices are lower, look at the Century Hummingbird canopy, £9.99 if you could find a shop that sold them (I mean before they were discontinued) and they are wafer thin plastic that shatters easily, now look at the TT Mini Titan canopy, good thick plastic including screen, bigger and much better quality at £7.99. Higher volumes come from products that sell well, more importantly than quality, the thing to make a product shift of the shelves is price, look at the Blade 400 3d, good machine but nowhere near the quality of the Mini Titan for instance yet look how well it has sold in the first few months, it's the bang for buck thing and for me, C-UK prices have no bang!!

Dedicated or not, if you are in business you have to make money, if Aligns RC business needed continual support from the appliance business it would be scrapped. I know for a fact that Align farm out an awful lot of their component manufacture anyway so that should put them in a similar boat to Century.

Makes no sense to me.
03-02-2008 12:13 AM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey,

Well, as I said I dont know the ture in's & out's of why but can only speculate along with the rest of us in the topic.

I know wht your saying, in essence all manufacturers mentioned here have had or do have errors in their manufacturing processes at times and so on one group could be called inferior.
I dont think we can compare a Mini Titan canopy to a Hummingbird one, purely & simply due to them being made from different materials. This alone could alter manufacturing costs let alone their size difference and labour work required after production perhaps.

CenturyUK on 90's have perhaps not had a good bang per buck (although £700 for a good quality 90 is very good value, we just run out of more to sell!), but their other lines are excellent.
The Swift family for instance is/was good value, the little Hummingbird was in it's day to and the 30/50 size Hawks.
I'm not even going to mention their new lineup of models which are unfortunately not sourced from CenturyUS, but they are certainly high on providing a good bang per buck.

No, I wouldn't say Aligns RC business needs support from their appliance one, but their appliance business pays for the machines required to produce RC parts in the first place.
A purely dedicated RC manufacturer needs to factor into their spares & kit prices the cost of actually buying the machines to make these parts in the first place. Align, using them as an example did not need to as the appliance business paid for most if not all of the machines they used in the early stages. Ok as they got more mainstream I would guess they brought better machines more specific to making RC parts more accurately perhaps, but thats after the model side started making money for them.
It's the same with Century, as they grew they purchased more tooling and machines but as they dont have a sideline business like hoovers & washing machines their RC models have to pay for all this.

As I said it's all a stab in the dark idea as to why prices differences, I could be talking out of where the sun dont shine but then I could be not far from the truth.
Either way as long as quality is there and a good supply of spares thats all that matters.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
03-02-2008 10:59 AM
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Leonidas
Heliman
Location: UK

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Either way as long as quality is there and a good supply of spares thats all that matters.

Except for the price of course!! The most important factor to 96% of customers is the price, it does not matter how good it is, the majority have a limit to what they will pay and when equal/better quality competition is available at lower prices their limit will be lower - beleive me, I've been in marketing for years.

As for the other (cheapy) lines that Century UK offer, some may be reasonable value for money but I'm amazed Century US are happy with their brand name being associated with them as it inferes that they are Century products.
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03-02-2008 12:22 PM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey,

Yeah, I half agree on the price front but having said that a lot of people dont mind paying slightly more as long as the product is worth it. I know I am that way, a few extra pounds to guarantee a longer lifespan is ok by me, LiPo's fall into this catagory quite nicely for instance.
Lets not forget that there is a large percentage of model fliers who pay the higher price's for other manufacturers models, who's products on the outside may not look any better than brand X manufacturer but they are.

As you would expect I would disagree with calling CenturyUK's other lines as "cheapy", they are competitively priced & that is the norm coming from the likes of China etc. Lets consider their GL450SE model, ok it's a Trex look-a-like & it competes against it very aggresively both in terms of price and performance.

It's a topic which has been talked about a lot here, the fact CenturyUK use's the Century name almost but sells other brands to.
Basically CenturyUK is totally different to Century Helicopters USA, names are similar but thats as far as it goes.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
03-02-2008 01:41 PM
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