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UAV Autonomous Unmanned Aerial Vehicles > MicroPilot 2128 HELI
 
 
Paul_Atreides
Heliman
Location: Arad, Romania

Hi all,

Does anyone have experience with the MP2128HELI autopilots?
If yes, what do you think about this product?

Thank you !

I'm not driving fast, I'm flying low...
10-23-2007 Over year old.
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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

We just purchase two systems for installation in Bergen Observers. We will start integrating one system early next month. The hardware is small, but the Microhard datalink they provide is huge. Go with the Maxstream 900 X-Tend datalink instead. Much smaller footprint. The AGL sonic altitmeter is about the size of a silver dollar, so consider that when chosing a mounting location. The compass card isn't very big, but needs to be away from any ferrous material, obviously.

The GCS software, Horizon, isn't really geared for helicopter ops, but they do have some plug ins and updates that make it work for helicopters. Make sure you download all the latest plug ins and software versions. They do not provide them with the system. The biggest setback with the GCS software is that you cannot move waypoints while airborne, at least according to their documentation. That is incredibly stupid, especially for a helicopter. Also, flightplans are a little strange to setup, but as I spend some more time tinkering with it, I'm finding my way. There is a plugin to allow control with a gamepad, which I intend on using for what they call Computer in Control (CIC) "Arcade Modes" where you direct the heli around with the game pad, as well as operate payload functions.

The is another option that I test flew a couple weeks ago that works very well, and doesn't even use an sonic altimeter. Checkout http://www.adaptiveflight.com/

Henrik is the owner, and we are testing a fixed wing version of his FCS-20 autopilot. I have personally flown his Trex "Hornets" and they fly very well, and hold position and heading spot on. He will also do all the integration and setup, if you prefer. He does all the software and GCS customization for you, too.

We will have his systems installed in two of our Observers.

Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
10-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
FrankC
Senior Heliman
Location: Ocala, Florida

I looked at the website for the Hornet and thought it was rather impressive. I have wondered what the pricing is like but haven't gotten around to sending them an email. The MicroPilot stuff also looks good, there don't seem to be as many autopilots for helicopters as there are for fixed wing though.
10-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Correct, commercial helicopter autopilots up until now have been the panacea of UAVs. In fact, there are still quite a few systems out there that are playing the secret squirrel thing and only producing turn-key systems complete with the purchase of an airframe. Neural Robotics and Roto-Motion are two examples. You can't just buy the electronics, nor can you get ANY useful info, specs, or pics of the equipment. Another system available stand-alone is the WePilot 1000, but from what I read about it, it's not a true, full function autopilot. It's more of an advanced stabilizer. There's one other full function AP out there that escapes me, I see their ads in Unmanned Vehicles magazine all the time, and downloaded their spec sheets before.

These things aren't cheap. The MP2128heli is $8000 + datalink. AFI's system is still in it's infancy, and they don't really have a pricing structure. All their stuff is custom made right now.

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
10-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Paul_Atreides
Heliman
Location: Arad, Romania

Thank you Erich for all the info !
I'm very curious about how the MicroPilot will work on your cameraships. Please post an update when you'll get them.

Thank you again !

I'm not driving fast, I'm flying low...
10-30-2007 Over year old.
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helicampro
New Heliman
Location: Milan, Italy

Hi everybody I unfortunately buy a MP2128heli in July 2007 and I received on November 2007, I think It is the first one they sell.
Are past 8 month and we can’t fly at all, we have got the same problem Erich has, we have complete resolve the vibration issue after many month of test, night at the phone with micropilot for gps issue and a lot of other things,
Is like a infinity story.
There is anyone have experience with these system?
Erich have you got success whit these system, if you remember us why write you in private.
I ask to micropilot if an other client can fly with these system, and they told me, one client can fly with a Berghen Observer are you?
Sorry for my English.
By Steven
06-29-2008 12:20 AM
 
 
FrankC
Senior Heliman
Location: Ocala, Florida

ErichF, you mentioned the WePilot 1000 in one of your comments. Have you ever priced their system? Do you know how it would compare in price to the MicroPilot being discussed here? I have looked at their site several times and the products look good but I have not yet found any mention of price. Most of the other sites I have looked at do have pricing information, although it can cause mild dizziness if you are not prepared.
07-07-2008 11:22 PM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

I think it was on the order of $5-6000 for the basic WePilot 1000 setup. It may be upgraded by now, but then, it didn't support operating outside the range of the RC transmitter. As far as I'm concerned a heli UAV should only need an RC transmitter for takeoff/landing or safety purposes during checkouts. This is my biggest irk about Micropilot. All the "Arcade Modes" require operation within the RC range. However, the system does have a good autonomous capability, allowing waypoint navigation well beyond the RC transmitter. There is also an "RPV Mode", allowing you to adjust alt, hdg, and speed on the fly from the laptop.

I don't believe WePilot is as capable yet, it wasn't then. It may be upgraded to similar capability by now, with a commensurate increase in cost.
07-09-2008 04:21 PM
 
 
DKTek
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL-USA

Quote 
I think it was on the order of $5-6000 for the basic WePilot 1000 setup.

Wow, I priced these guys about 2 years ago and I was quoted in the $30G range.

Quote 
There's one other full function AP out there that escapes me,

Could it be the Cloud Cap with the heli add-on?

Good info here guys, thanks and keep it coming. Good thread Paul.

The beatings will continue until morale improves...
07-13-2008 01:47 PM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

No, there's another one that comes in a cube like the WePilot, I keep seeing them in my Unmanned Vehicles Magazine as an ad.

I got a chance to see the new GCS software from Piccolo at AUVSI in San Diego a couple weeks ago..it is NICE. Looks like they are coming along well with their heli ops, too.

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
07-13-2008 11:01 PM
 
 
DKTek
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL-USA

I already have the Piccolo 2 for a special project but we didn't get the heli add on....yet. The commander is pretty cool but not as much on the fly as I'd like or at least imagined it would be. Unfortunately, my current project from the same company has me far away for a while and we didn't get the project flying just yet but we are really close. We'll step back into that role when we get home.

I wonder how many WeControlers are actually being used on Rmax's? Maybe Perry has info.

Is anyone using the MicroPilot for AP use as it seems the only ones using it are R&D guys. Their work on the boards seems top notch.

The beatings will continue until morale improves...
07-14-2008 03:24 PM
 
 
lancektm
Heliman
Location: Lawrence

WePilot US Support

Hello All,
I am with Viking Aerospace, a small UAV products and services company located in Lawrence Kansas. We are the American agent, sales, support and integrator of the wePilot line of UAV autopilots.

wePilot has the fully functioning helicopter autopilot complete with automatic takeoff, automatic landing, automatic return home (if link lost) and automatic waypoint navigation. New missions can be loaded in flight as well. We use an optical sensor for AGL only during landing(which we have found to be much more robust than cheaper sonars out there).

The autopilot can also operate in assisted mode. This is where the operator can give high level commands (Vx, Vz, r) within limits either from an rc transmitter or a joystick which is passed up the UHF link.

The autopilots are mostly transceiver independent and thus, can accommodate many modems (we are currently doing an Iridium satellite modem vehicle Meridian UAV which is designed to map arctic regions with ice pen. radar)

These autopilots are well developed and have passed European Airworthiness on several vehicles. The wePilot2000 had originally be designed to meet the high requirements of the DRAC military program, but can be adapted to other aircraft due to its flexible hardware architecture.

weControl sells the wePilot not as a plug and play product, because our experiences show that every customer needs application specific modifications which can seldom be covered by one generic product. Our strength lies in the capability to quickly customize our product for any given aircraft and application. For every aircraft we first build up an aerodynamics model which reflects accurately the dynamics and flight characteristic (system and/or parameter identification). Based on this model weControl synthesizes the H-infinity based flight controller specifically for your helicopter or airplane. This allows us to achieve a wide flight envelope also under high wind conditions. Furthermore our control system is based on a fully integrated GPS/inertial navigation solution based on an Extended Kalman Filter which allows to track the aircraft state also during complex maneuvers. Optionally the wePilot can be delivered to control a camera for aerial photography applications.

In the US, some representative customers of wePilots are AFRL (Tyndall AFB, Lockheed Martin SI, Honeywell, University of Kansas, Carnegie Mellon, and several other Universities and labs. We have done many RMAX helicopters and weControl developed a special form factor which integrates tightly into the RMAX payload and utilizes the high performance (RLG i think) IMU found on the RMAX. RMAX is by no means, however the limit to these autopilots in terms of helicopters. We have automated Maxi Jokers, Spectra G's, Bergens, etc.

For the Fixed Wing stuff, we just finished a 33% YAK54 which works really nicely with a 3W-80, and we are working on a 135hp turbo diesel powered 1100 lb all carbon skin UAV which I will report on once we complete initial evaluations.

Anyway, Hope this helps. There is much more to talk about so if you are interested in further information on the wePilot line my name is Lance and can be found at Viking Aerospace www.vikingaero.com. Call anytime.

Keep up the good work! I feel lucky to be in this industry with you all.

Photo wePilot flown Maxi Joker
09-03-2008 11:44 PM
 
 
lancektm
Heliman
Location: Lawrence

Also, just to share some other information, the wePilot controlled helicopter on the left performed a 30km flight in Senegal. The system was programmed to fly with 17m/s and to land automatically after reaching the final waypoint. It was a feasibility study to show the precision of the landing point.

Jacques also recently integrated a coaxial turbine helicopter a few weeks ago.


09-03-2008 11:58 PM
 
 
rroback
Elite Veteran
Location: Irvine (UCI), Ca

Care to share the basic cost of wepilot base unit??

Rhett... I can't fly, luckily the HC Profi Can!
09-04-2008 07:37 AM
 
 
lancektm
Heliman
Location: Lawrence

Pricing

The wePilot complete automatic flight control systems range in cost from ~$14K to $23K which includes MIL spec Magnetometer, high performance IMU, barometer, (pitot tube and sensor for FW), flight computer with XLINX FPGA and Intel Processor, 900 or 2.4 transceiver set, ground station software, GPS receiver and antenna.

Of course, each vehicle poses different modeling, controller design, and avionics configuration challenges for high reliability and performance. For example, integration costs will be higher for a piston banging dual coaxial rotor helicopter, than for example a simple electric, gas or turbine stabalized rotor helicopter.

Typical integration, dynamic modeling and controller synthesis, and flight verification and training costs are $7K to $10K. If you would like an official quote for your project, please contact me through the viking aerospace website www.vikingaero.com .



09-04-2008 03:33 PM
 
 
BarryB
Heliman
Location: Germany

How much is the maxi-Joker setup ?.

Does the 14.4lbs empty weight include the flight batteries ?.

Thanks,
Barry.
09-04-2008 04:44 PM
 
 
lancektm
Heliman
Location: Lawrence

Maxi Joker weight

OK,
I just weighed the maxi Joker seen in the below picture and it weighs 12.8 lbs with FCS battery. We typically also carry 4 lbs of battery for the Plettenburg motor. This weight is exactly 17 lbs ready to fly. I have flown this helicopter up to 25 lbs before. With our Canon SLR camera Payload, the takeoff weight is 18 lbs, 10 oz.

Again, please contact me directly for pricing as our prices are always changing (hopefully for the better) and these forums tend to stay active for years.

Best Regards,

Lance Holly
Viking Aerospace LLC.
www.vikingaero.com

09-04-2008 06:08 PM
 
 
BarryB
Heliman
Location: Germany

Thank you for the info Lance.

The pic doesn't appear to have a camera mount : do you have specs/weight for it as well ?.

Also, according to your web site, I can expect almost 26 minutes flight at this weight (19lb). Can you guarantee this (or at least a minimum of 25 mins)?.

A ballpark price would be OK (like you did for the Wecontrol).

Thanks again,

Barry.
09-04-2008 06:22 PM
 
 
DKTek
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL-USA

Is there a video demonstration available?

The beatings will continue until morale improves...
09-04-2008 06:29 PM
 
 
lancektm
Heliman
Location: Lawrence

Endurance

We did endurance testing on this new helicopter for hover only. We get 18 min endurance with one battery set which weighs ~4 lbs and no camera. With the SLR camera, we keep flights at or under 15 min if we are only hovering or at slow speeds. At higher speeds the helicopter obviously gains efficiency, but we have not collected this data specifically yet.

We did do a special helicopter for one customer with twin battery sets (where the helicopter weighed 25 lbs with fairly heavy camera) and we got up to 24 min hover endurance.

For this helicopter, we are directly bolting the camera to the gear pointed down, as it is for vertical survey only and because it is an electric and the vibration is minimal (see sample photo from auto shutter trigger below).

We have flown the Pro1 mount from airfoil as well (see website photos at 10,000 - 11,000 ft)

Finally, I don't know how to put videos on here, but I will email you a few different helicopters (RMAX flights, Zenoah gasser flights..) if you send me an email. I could also send flight data samples for serious inquiries only please.

Regards,
Lance Holly
Viking Aerospace LLC.
www.vikingaero.com

09-04-2008 07:20 PM
 
 
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