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New & Emerging R/C Helicopters > Considering defection - BCCP to HBK2
 
 
Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

I have a few dollars to spend and am thinking about getting a bare bones HBK2 and using my BCCP electronics. I have a completely stock Blade CP pro except for the radio (DX7 heli kit with AR6100 and micro servos). I'm still using the EFlight charger and only have the kit battery. My budget is about $250. Here's my current shopping list:

Cellpro Charger $75
Cellpro adapters and 3'extension cable $20
Cellpro Revolution 1350 $40
HBK2 bare bones Kit $75

Sub total $210

So that leaves $40 in the budget for a gyro, brushless motor and esc. I don't want to spend $40 on a gyro that I will hate and want to replace in 6 months. I was hoping I could use the 3-in-1 with the motor that comes with the HBK2 kit. Then a couple months later add a 2100t or GY401, a brushless motor and esc. I'm just learning to fly, so I'm mostly just hovering and some mild ff.

Will the tail servo work with the 3-in-1? Any other comments about my plans?

The other thought I had considered was keeping the Blade CPP until I was ready to get the esc and motor. Then doing this:

Cellpro Charger $75
Cellpro adapters and 3'extension cable $20
Cellpro Revolution 1350 $40
Telebee Gyro $60

Subtotal $195

I'm not fond of this route because it assumes I will be happy with the Telebee. But at least I can use it on the Blade.
10-19-2007 03:04 AM
 
 
tucuso
Heliman
Location: Venezuela

Gregor:
I did the same thing, but i have the telebee 6g GYRO that does not work with the stock BCPP tail motor, but its fine with the HBK2, when you set it up right.
About the 3 in 1 with the tail servo i'm not pretty sure about it, in my case i use a GWS-100 brushed ESC, it works fine, but the HBK2 sock motor is not the best one, so keep in mind an inmediate brushless upgrade.
I use a 8g E-sky servo for tail and it works, for simple FF, circuits, etc...

And don't spend any more money on the BCPP, the HBK" is far more better Heli than de BCPP, learned the lesson after more than $600 in BCPP parts

I forgot to mention that i use a JR7202 TX, so my program could works fine with your spektrum. i'll post it later.

I used to have a CPP, now i have a Honey "blade" King 2 and a Raptor 50
10-19-2007 05:10 PM
 
 
Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Thanks tucuso. I read one your posts earlier this week and have been thinking about it ever since. I've decided not to spend any more money on the Blade. But the tail is really bugging me and I'd like to switch to a HH gyro. It sounds like even if the 3-in-1 would work, it'd be limited and a very short term solotion.

Any recommendations on which motor and esc to use?
10-20-2007 03:13 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Dont waste your time mix matching to save a buck its not worth it www.helidirect get a $19 brushless and a $25 brushless esc I would suggest HDX300 thats what a lot of us are using. As for the gyro heres a few links to good parts. $84.60 motor,esc and HH gyro done never need to upgrade anything. And you could save a little on a cheaper esc.

http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=1524
http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=4275 http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=1743

well welcome to the other side I did it and never looked back I just sold my BCPP. Cause I will never fly a motor driven tail again.

futaba 6EX 2.4ghz
HBKv2 Barebones kit
BCPP servos
ele 30 amp esc
300HDX 3500rpm outrunner with fan 10t pinion
gy240 gyro
1350 mah mega power lipo
cell pro 4s lipo balance charger

All just $570 complete package radio and charger was more than half $280.

But darn thing flies itself no more tinkering just flying. Ive had 30 40 flights with a few landings I would be straightening main or feathering shafts. Its an awesome feeling when you fly and not have to fix or replace anything.



Council Member #69A3 If your not having a blast your doing it WRONG!
10-21-2007 04:40 PM
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Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Tryan,

Thanks for the links. I've given up the idea of using the 3-in-1. I found another user that had done it but gave up because the brushed BCCP motor wasn't strong enough for the added weight of the King.

I've been looking for BL motor and ESC options. I found the HDX but it seems it is and has been out of stock for a while. There's an Esky motor and Esc combo that also looked interesting.

About the gyro, I saw that one and wondered how it compares to the Telebee. After the BCCP purchase, I'd rather get this right the first time.

Lastly, this is not to bate you but I wanted to mention it to let you know where my head is at. I've been also looking at the Trex450 as it comes with the ESC, motor, battery, and all CNC parts. Yes, its a bit more expensive, but if you and the CNC kit to the bare bones kit, that really narrows the gap.
10-22-2007 01:37 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

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I'm just learning to fly, so I'm mostly just hovering and some mild ff.
you don't need metal parts for that

you need to figure out what you want in a heli a 300 class to a 400 class is a big jump (apples to oranges) Both can be very expensive. I fly indoors in my home you wont do that with a rex.

I haven't did the metal setup comparisons. I know $80 metal head $75 barebones that comes with brushed motor $45 for motor and esc. $200 for HBK2.

the HBK was for me a small cheap parts battery packs smaller cheaper and I get to fly anywhere. But if you have a field or the means to go to a field for flying Maybe the tREX is for you either way youll never look back from ditching the BCPP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18DQYolH9Kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9sE_C9xH4M

Council Member #69A3 If your not having a blast your doing it WRONG!
10-22-2007 02:02 AM
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Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

My original plan was to get a 300 size for the backyard, parks, etc. Then 6 months to a year later, add a Trex for the local heli field as well as some back yard flying.

If I put a lot of money into a 300 class it will delay the move up to a 400 class. I've given up on the flying indoors. Other than hovering its just too limiting. Outdoors, the 300 size is very susceptable to wind. The HBK2 will be a lot better than the Blade, but I'm not sure how much.

At first the HBK2 bare bones kit seemed like the perfect answer. Dump the Blade and barely delay the addition of a 400 class. Now with a more realistic understanding of the required parts, it gives me pause to re-think it. Not abandon, just re-think.

If you ask me right now, I'm still leaning toward the HBK2. The only questions remain are the motor and the gyro. The popular motor is out of stock. As for the gyro, I really don't want to make a bad decision here. The Esky seems to good to be true. Is it worth getting the Telebee? Or do your really need to move up to the 2100t or GYx01 to see any difference?

Thanks for the comments, keep them coming.
10-22-2007 03:24 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

well I still think you need to step back and think about this. Maybe keep with the BCPP for the backyard and save your cash for the TREX and get the gy401 or other good gyro for it. Not to mention check the classifieds here on RR for used TREX's. Then you'll have both helis. Just don't tell anyone I said you should get a TREX over a HBK2. All that being said if you want a 300 size heli your not gonna find one better than the HBK2 its 1lb RTF and high Headspeed makes it way more stable than the BCPP. But if your set on a TREX why would you waste your time and money in the 300 class helis.

Council Member #69A3 If your not having a blast your doing it WRONG!
10-22-2007 03:36 AM
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Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Here's the Esky esc and motor combo I mentioned. I have no idea if these are good. Comments?
10-22-2007 03:36 AM
 
 
Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Quote 
But if your set on a TREX why would you waste your time and money in the 300 class helis.

Well, that is an excellent question. The friend at work that got me started has a Blade and Trex450. He uses the Blade for practicing "dangerous" manuevers and has never crashed the Trex. He also said that its "freeing" to have two helis. You always have a backup and your day doesn't end when you run out of spare parts. I'm not sure if this is common for most pilots or just him. But it seemed to make sense.

The other thing is that I can't swing the Trex now but I could do the HBK2. Do I really want to own the Blade for another 6 to 12 months? How many more tail motors, over priced blades, landing gear and spindles will I thow at the Blade?

As a beginner, I made a mistake getting the BCCP. Yes, I can hover it and have learned ALOT about control and setup. But as you say, the HBK2 is much better. Now's the time to stop dropping money into the Blade and try to correct my mistake.
10-22-2007 04:38 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Quote 
The other thing is that I can't swing the Trex now but I could do the HBK2. Do I really want to own the Blade for another 6 to 12 months? How many more tail motors, over priced blades, landing gear and spindles will I thow at the Blade?

Go get the HBK2 set it up with good parts Dont skimp on a gyro it can be passed along from heli to heli and you'll have both forever. Once you get this setup the way you want you may have second thoughts on the TREX. Me Ive already decided to get another Barebones HBK2 kit and a reciever for my radio two helis one radio. I later plan to do some scale helis I gotta have a bell222 so I may end up with a fleet of HBK2's.

you'll regret sitting around with a BCPP for 12 months waiting on tailmotors you will be grinnining ear to ear for 12 months with the HBK2. Now I guess that I understand the whole scenario and how your frustration with the blade is going like mine was Id say order it. I'm about the same skill level as you Hovering and a little FF. But the HBK2 you'll get more flight time less tinkering so you'll learn faster. you just charge and fly thats what I wanted from a heli I have enough tinkering to do elsewhere.

Council Member #69A3 If your not having a blast your doing it WRONG!
10-22-2007 12:26 PM
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Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Tryan,

Thanks for the reality check. I took the last couple days, reading this forum, the Trex forum and contemplating what doing with this hobby. I flew the BCCP tonight and that sealed the deal. I still plan on getting a Trex but that's a ways off and I'm done with the BCCP.

Helidirect is out of the motors, should be in next week. Any suggestions on other spare parts I should get? Blades, feathering shafts? I try to keep those around for the BCCP, but I'm not sure what breaks on the HBK2.
10-25-2007 06:37 AM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Veteran
Location: Canada

Spare Tail assembly for when it goes in
I'm not 100% sure about this but the HBK2 has a torque tube instead of belt drive.
belt drive is cheaper to repair.
I would suggest the belt CP from Esky
also the telebee gyro works very well on my Trex 450sa
I did try the GY401 on my trex.I didn't notice any difference
But I'm also a newb and only starting to fff.
I'm told the telebee doesn't hold well doing hard 3d but is good for a beginner.

The Very hard lesson I learned after spending about 4000,00$ on my Hawk pro and Trex 450sa is that don't buy cheap parts they will cost you way more then you save.A cheap part will cost you a heli.
Instead Save up your money and buy the best components for your application.

If could turn back time I would have bought a Trex600N and the best components ( servo's , GY601, GV1 and a good set of carbon blades)
I would have saved about 1500$ doing it right the first time.
Oh well another life lesson learned

If you want to do it right save up about 1500.00$ go Spektrum DX7 and do a lot of research on replacement parts to find which heli will suit your budget after the initial purchase.
Trex has good value when buying replacement parts VS Century parts which are expensive.
All heli's eventualy crash even in the hands of pro's (although less often).

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10-26-2007 12:42 AM
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Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

The HBK2 is a belt driven tail. I'd love to go Trex but that would have to wait if I did that. The Belt CP is a 400 class, so bigger batteries, motor, esc. The HBK2 is 300 class. Plus of course I'd always wish it was a Trex. Aling doesn't make a 300 so there's wondering what could have been.

I've already had my false start with the BCCP and am trying to get on the right path with the HBK2. Every one that has one, loves its. Parts are ALOT cheaper than the BCCP.
10-26-2007 01:44 AM
 
 
jmc67
Senior Heliman
Location: Westchester County, NY

If you are moving from the bcp to the king2, you won't regret it. I did the move and don't regret. I did get the barebones since I already had seperates on the bcp. It's not a wise choice if you plan on using the stock electrics from the bcp.
10-26-2007 02:16 AM
 
 
Jimmi
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Ca. U.S.A.

The hbk is very nice and alot better then the blade cp in many ways but I also love my two blades cp. j Don't forget e-flite is coming out with a new heli with a dx6i included. heres a link Jimmi
http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=200498303

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing
10-26-2007 02:25 AM
 
 
Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

I already have a DX7. So the only electronics I'd take from the Blade are the servos. I don't have seperates, batteries or a gyro so I'll be buying those as well. The DX7 kit came with servos so I can use one of those for the tail. My only concern is ending up wishing I had just gone the Trex route. But it seems that most pilots have more than one heli in the stable so its not a mistake to learn on $8 blades.

I think I'm settled on all the parts except the gyro. As mentioned if you are going piezo why spend more than $38? I know I could move the gyro to the Trex later in life, but that assumes the HBK2 would be retired when I get the Trex. As it stands now I'm thinking I'd keep both running so I'd rather not disable one to move on to the next. The Blade is a different story, I don't ever want to fly it again
10-26-2007 03:04 AM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Veteran
Location: Canada

I stand corrected
Looks like the Belt cp is a stretched version of the HBK2 since they share almost all parts and there is only a 30$ differance,
IMO I would get the larger belt cp since a larger rotor diameter would be more stable.

The parts seem to be a good value and cheap.
Looks like a very affordable alternative compared to Trex

IMO Your best investment would be to go spektrum ( no glitches )
I had FM and got rid of it due to crashes caused by glitching.
All it takes is 1 bad bearing to get an FM glitch & crash

Hope this helps

If you realy realy realy want fly indoors get a BCX2 coaxial
10-26-2007 03:18 AM
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ev0l
Senior Heliman
Location: Kansas City Missouri

I went from a blade to a HBK2, I also own 2 trex 450s. I will warn you that flying the HBK2 is alot more like flying a Trex than a CPP. It does fly better than a CPP but it is also larger and heavier. Its alot like flying a Trex just not anywhere as good. Dont get me wrong, its fun and I fly the hell out of mine, but you dont have that small heli feel with it because the blades are longer and it weighs alot more. It also moves alot faster than a blade.

great heli for the money, but I dont consider it a direct replacemnt for the CPP, I think im still gonna get a belt conversion for my Blade. Just my opinion folks, take it or leave it.
10-28-2007 03:34 PM
 
 
Gregor99
Key Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Ev0l,

Thanks for chiming in here. I will say I think you are the first person to speak positively about the "small helicopter" feel. My assumption is that everyone wanted to get away from the flying paper clip experience. I suppose once a pilot gets more experienced, the smaller helicopter is easier to control and might be more rewarding.

My original plan was to start out with the Blade, learn how to fly, and how to set it up. Then transfter that experience to a Trex. I was hoping to do some indoor, and some backyard flying. What I'm finding is the Blade is too much for indoors unless its only hovering and too little for outdoors unless there's very little wind. From what I've heard the Trex is too big for the back yard unless you are doing slow FF or slow circuits. A more skilled pilot might be able to do controlled 3d in s small space, but I won't be there for a while.

My thought about the HBK2 is that it would fly more like the Trex and still be small enough to work well in the back yard. Its good to hear you fly yours dispite having a few Trex's in the stable. When do you find that you'll choose to fly the HBK2 instead of the Trex? Between Trex batteries? Smaller spaces?
10-28-2007 06:06 PM
 
 
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