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CAD - Engineering - Technical > Spin Balance question
 
 
GyroFreak
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Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

OK, all you technical guys. If you spin up a wheel and move a marker in carefully so it only touches the wobble point, is the mark it leaves on the wheel at the heavy point, or is some 90 degrees off due to gyroscopic action ??
I was thinking of building a small dynamic balancer for flywheels, clutches, so forth. Yes, static balancing works great for me, but I like trying diffrent things.
Besides, it's raining here and I have way to much time on my hands...

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09-19-2007 04:57 PM
 
 
deene0150
New Heliman
Location: plainfield in

SORRY DUDE , BUT I THINK THAT WILL ONLY CHECK OUT OF ROUND.
IF YOU WANT TO CHECK BALANCE, PUT IT BETWEEN CENTERS AND THE HEAVY SPOT WILL GO TO THE BOTTOM.
09-20-2007 11:56 PM
 
 
GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

deene0150

Wrong, this is how they used to balance tires on the car, with the wheel mounted, spin it up, then a strobe light would tell them where to put the weight. It is also used for very critical high speed balancing. No, it won't be worth it for modeling, but I'm always willing to try a diffrent approach.

Spin balancing is called dynamic balance. What you are refering to is called static balance.

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09-21-2007 12:28 AM
 
 
Brunobl
Senior Heliman
Location: Pomerode, Santa Catarina - Brazil

If you rely on a marker to touch the edge of the rotating object, you will only really see the high points (runout) and then only the grossly out of round spots at that, I believe.

Assuming a well centered round object, I don't think that an imbalance wobble will be of such magnitude that will allow you to physically mark the edges with ink. IOW, the wobble is so minute that any attempt to touch the edge with a marking device would interfere with the wobble itself and/or would not leave a visible mark.

Dynamic balancers detect amplitude and phase of vibration with respect to angle of rotation to determine the heavy spots. They don't attempt to physically touch the tested object in any way.

Also, a marking mechanism would be restricted to circular objects, while other testing methods can dynamic balance other shapes (propellers or crankshafts, for example).

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10-04-2007 12:39 PM
 
 
CrashTestPilot
Key Veteran
Location: Laguna Niguel, CA

A former mechanic, one of the dynamic balancers I've seen was a wheel hub of sorts. Attached to the wheel, the center didn't spin (like today's spinner rims). Small balancing weights within the balancer allowed you to dial out wobble. When you stopped the wheel, the balancing hub showed where to apply weight on the rim, and how much to apply.
10-04-2007 02:20 PM
 
 
GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

BRUNO: Thanks Bruno, that certainly makes sense.

CRASH: I remember seeing that type of balancer, it was intriguing to watch the mechanic turn the small adjusters and watch the wheel go from wobble to smooth.

Thanks guys for your input.

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10-04-2007 02:44 PM
 
 
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