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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Justin Chi loses control at NEAT fair and heli goes into crowd..

zurie
New Heliman
Location: tampa

I don't want to be the dick to point it out. I love justin. I've seen his video's and he is an awesome pilot. I think what he does is great.

Here is my issue.

My brother can drive a go-kart. very well. infact, he can drive better than 50% of the people out on the road... maybe more, but I will be reasonable. he is only 11 years old. He is tall enough to see over the wheel of a full sized car and is able to drive.

So... why can't my 11 year old brother drive a car, which he can drive better than 50% of the people out there? Why can people convicted of DUI's drive and he can't? Why do people who have a history of speeding, failing to signal, not yielding, not wearing seatbelts, and etc etc etc drive when my little 11 year old brother obviously has more skills than they do?

So if age doesn't matter... then why did the Government put a limit on the age of a motor vehichle 15 / 16 years old.

Do you see my point? Helicopters can be WAY more dangerous than a automobile. coming from the cost perspective, way more people can afford a first time helicopter than a first time car. There is no testing, no certification, and no standards to have your heli at, where with a car there are TONS of testings, and laws that you have to abide by for that vehicle.

I just find it difficult, regardless of how old / young you are, that you can fly a helicopter with no or minimal pre-requisites.

If you took a line up of 11 year olds and had them all burnout and do donuts in the parking lot, would you give your keys to the ones that were able to do good donuts?

just playing devil's advocate.. thats all.

09-17-2007 08:49 PM

Nathan
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkhart, Indiana

Anybody ever heard of Criminal negligence? I believe a case could be made. I would not let my five year old drive a car on a public highway. If you do and he hits someone and hurts them I do believe you could be charged with Criminal negligence. At that point forget about insurance. Age does matter even though in this case we would like it not to. A lawyer could have a hay day with this one.

And for Mr. Chi to make a public statement here on RR WOW. Anything you say can and will be used against you (the MAN said)

My best wishes to the man that was hit. My prayers are with you.

Nathan

09-17-2007 08:50 PM

d-bledsoe
Veteran
Location: Kirkland WA

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Anybody ever heard of Criminal negligence? I believe a case could be made.

Typical American mind set to jump on the sue happy band wagon. lets figure out how to make a quick buck off an unfortunate situation.

That is whats wrong with our country, not a very talented 5 year old flying a heli. The fact of the matter is this was an accident, and very well could have happened to anyone of us.

i suggest instead of putting energy into trying to sue the pants off of anyone involved in this incident, lets instead put that energy to good use by sending our good thoughts to the fellow who was injured and his family

-Derek

09-17-2007 09:12 PM

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Nathan
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkhart, Indiana

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Unfortunately Derek it’s a little worse than a law suit and money. It’s a felony with jail time involved.

Nathan

09-17-2007 09:16 PM

d-bledsoe
Veteran
Location: Kirkland WA

"criminal negligence is a 'misfeasance or 'nonfeasance', where the fault lies in the failure to foresee and so allow otherwise avoidable dangers to manifest. In some cases this failure can rise to the level of wilful blindness where the individual intentionally avoids adverting to the reality of a situation."

This could apply to anyone, if this were you "Nathan" and not justin and you crashed your heli into a person what tune would you be singing then?

But what ever. It sounds to me that Justin and his father were being quite respectful and aware of the surroundings while justin was flying, and were not flying irresponsibly. This was unfortunate event and i wish the best for both parties involved.

-derek

09-17-2007 09:27 PM

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d-bledsoe
Veteran
Location: Kirkland WA

AGREED

09-17-2007 09:32 PM

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Nathan
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkhart, Indiana

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where the fault lies in the failure to foresee and so allow otherwise avoidable dangers to manifest. In some cases this failure can rise to the level of wilful blindness.

Well said.

I believe a 5 year old behind the wheel of car (model helicopter) could be covered by this.

Nathan

09-17-2007 09:32 PM

d-bledsoe
Veteran
Location: Kirkland WA

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I believe a 5 year old behind the wheel of car (model helicopter) would be covered by this.

perhaps for most 5 year olds yes. But if this ever did end up in court justin and his father have hours and hours of video to show he knows exactly what he is doing while flying his heli. What if justin was 8? is that old enough, what about 10 or 12? What needs to be judged in this case is the pilots skills not the age of the pilot.

-derek

09-17-2007 09:44 PM

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Nathan
Senior Heliman
Location: Elkhart, Indiana

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perhaps for most 5 year olds yes. But if this ever did end up in court justin and his father have hours and hours of video to show he knows exactly what he is doing while flying his heli. What if justin was 8? is that old enough, what about 10 or 12? What needs to be judged in this case is the pilots skills not the age of the pilot.

That would be decided by 10 or 12 people who have not a clue what going on. They would look at it as a 5 year old flying a very dangerous machine.

But enough of this. Would I stand and watch him fly? Hell yes he’s good!! Would I be ready to run you bet. But I am ready to run when I fly so nothing new there . My goal is to be safe, enjoy this hobby and not have anyone take it away from us in the form of laws and regulations. If we lose the ability to become insured then it’s over.

Nathan

09-17-2007 09:53 PM

d-bledsoe
Veteran
Location: Kirkland WA

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That would be decided by 10 or 12 people who have not a clue what going on. They would look at it as a 5 year old flying a very dangerous machine.

actually if those 10-12 people are like most of the population then they would see him as flying a "toy". How many times have the general population said wow that looks like a fun "toy" when you fly? for me its 99% of the time.

From my personal experience most of the general population doesn't see these for what they are, but instead they see them as "toys".

-derek

09-17-2007 09:59 PM

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