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Gohbee Aviation Stinger 30-90 > Coming Soon....Phazor 600!
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

Hey Guys! I just wanted to make everyone aware of the new Phazor 600 coming out soon. The Phazor 600 will use a composite frames with aluminum bearing blocks. The kit will be available as a conversion for existing Stinger 50 and Raptor 50 owners as well as a complete kit using the same head and tail unit from the Stinger 50. We've been testing the prototypes for several months now and we're closing in on the final design. Below is an outline of some of the goals of the new design and the resulting advantages:

1. Modularity: Nitro and Electric: We wanted a basic frame set that we could use as the foundation for both a 600 size nitro and electric machine. Thus we wanted an optimized electric and an optimized nitro frame set that would share components and allow the customer to relatively easily change over to electric/nitro or vice-versa. The electric version will be called the Phazor 600. Our thought is to stick with the Phazor name for all our electric models. Hence there will be a Stinger 600 version that will be nitro.

One of the primary features of our frame design is that it uses a layered frame approach that divides the frame in to three main components. If you look closely at the pics you'll notice that the frame is split into a forward upper frame and an aft upper frame with the lower frame running the length of the body. This allows greater rigidity around the bearing blocks becuase the frame is double thick at this point. Only the front upper and lower frame needs to be swapped to change back and forth to nitro and electric.

Another advantage to the 3 piece layered frame design is that it reduces crash costs. It's highly unlikely that you will break all three frame components in a single crash. We will make the frame components available separately so that you only have to replace what breaks....if it breaks.

2. Maintain Raptor Compatibility: This new frame set will allow current Stinger and Raptor owners to upgrade their machines giving them a lighter weight, more durable, higher precision, and cost effective frame set.

3. Less Weight & Higher Center of Gravity: We wanted a model that is lighter than our current nitro machine and a light weight electric. The current prototype weighs in around 7.9 lbs with the carbon frames, an 8S battery. Regarding the Nitro version, we have completed most of the component level design and are just now starting to work with the assembly design. We do feel confident that the Nitro version will weigh even less than electric version.

We feel that weight and CG are the largest factors regarding performance. Lowering the weight and raising the CG produces a very nice flying machine.

4. Dual Stage Main Drive System (Flexible Gearing): For the electric version we wanted a flexible gearing system that allowed customers to run the various motors at different voltages. (ie 6S through 10S) This will give you more choices and allow you to home in on optimum combinations. This is the primary reason for the belt drive off of the motor. This setup will give us a whole host of ratios and allow the customer to optimize setup for longer flight times, or for insane power. Not having this ratio flexibility is perhaps one of the biggest problems with competing electric helicopters in the same weight class. This flexibility will allow customers who want to keep the cost down to run the machine with 6S batteries. Others who can never have enough power can set it up for 10S. The dual stage drive will also allow us to use just about any current or future motor out there. We will not be locked into to certain KV range. We're currently testing multiple motors and speed controllers. We will keep you informed on our test results as we move forward. If you have already have a motor that you're using in a 600 size electric that you're satisfied with, let us know what you've got and perhaps we can try it as well.

5. 120 Deg CCPM & Composite Frames: We felt like we could gain precision in the control linkages with an CCPM setup and using composites over plastics. We also knew we could save weight. We're going to offer G10 and Carbon for cost and performance considerations.

6. Push pull: We wanted a push pull linkage system in order to provide smooth consistent control and to minimize wear and tear on the servos.

7. Raised Center of Gravity: (Mentioned above but worth mentioning again) We wanted to raise the center of gravity higher on the main shaft. This will facilitate a more responsive helicopter. Notice that the servos are all mounted high on the frame. Also the motor is pointing downward so that the CG is raised above the boom centerline. Only the lighter components are mounted lower on the machine, such as gyro, receiver, etc.

8. Increased Rigidity Double thick frames around the bearing blocks. See above comments.

9. Make it affordable: Our goal is always affordable performance. We wanted a stout helicopter that is not a drain on the budget to fix after a crash. At this point, we have no idea where we'll end up on cost. However, my gut feeling is that we'll be very competative. We would not have pursued the design this far if we were not going to be cost effective.

I've attached some pictures of the machine that we flew at the IRCHA Jamboree. Your comments are welcome.

08-13-2007 07:40 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Wow, count me in when the nitro frame conversion comes out.
08-13-2007 07:45 PM
 
 
TYREE
Veteran
Location: Sonoma county

That's great......!

Count me in for the nitro conversion too !!!

My only comment is to have a narrow canopy in the vane of the Aurora/N9... to enhance the look and cut down on the drag....

The built-in servo mount for the gyro is a great...
Skid break-aways too !

You might want to post the weight savings with the new frame as well.

Ty
08-13-2007 07:56 PM
 
 
FLYINFOOL
Veteran
Location: Cudahy, WI

I spent a lot of time looking at and fondling and drooling over this new machine at IRCHA.
I always liked my trusty Stinger 50, but this looks to be even better.
I just cant wait to get my hands on one, or two.

I would like to see a new thinner canopy also.


Jeff Borowski
Gohbee Field Rep
0133TD
08-13-2007 09:52 PM
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Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Is the nitro going to have eccpm or mccpm
08-13-2007 11:02 PM
 
 
donthomas
Senior Heliman
Location: gibsonville, nc usa

I talked to Dave today. The nitro will be eccpm with a choice of carbon or G10 frames. I can't wait.
Don Thomas
08-14-2007 02:59 AM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

David, that looks like a great heli. WOW, I got to see it in person and try it.
08-14-2007 03:17 AM
 
 
FLYINFOOL
Veteran
Location: Cudahy, WI

Can the motor in the nitro version be adjustable to allow different gear ratios?


Jeff Borowski
Gohbee Field Rep
0133TD
08-14-2007 03:56 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

Jeff,

We haven't settled on that yet. We'll keep you posted.

-David
08-14-2007 06:09 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

So it looks like the tail rotor/head is going to be the same but the entire frame will be redesigned. Are there any new features in the head or tail. I saw a couple pull-pull setups, looks awesome.

So what AUW are we expecting for the stinger 600? Mine is already at 7.5 pounds.
08-14-2007 08:29 PM
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

Cambo,

At this point there are no changes to the head and tail design. Although we are working on some upgrades for the future. As far as weight goes, we haven't got far enough to publish weights on the Stinger 600 (nitro version). However if the Phazor 600 (electric version) is any indication then its going to be LIGHT!

Cambo....if you've got a 7.5lb setup, then that's awesome! I'd like to know what you've got in it. That's got to be one of the lightest that I've heard about. Most of the Stingers (and Raptors) that I've seen tend to come in around 8.5lbs. What servos and rx battery are you using? Where are you saving the weight?
08-15-2007 02:29 AM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Hi Gohbee
My digital scale is saying 7.56 pounds. I run the os 50 hyper with the hatori pipe that is a step below the CY pipe. It saved like 3oz over the stock pipe. The throttle servo is a cs 12 (same as hs81mg) and is mounted in a CF cut piece that fits nicely into the servo slot. I saved a 1oz with small servo. The multigov that i run is so tiny, it weighs less than an oz. The battery i use is a 2000mah A cell pack with deans connectors all around hooked up to a futaba heavy duty on/off switch. If you use sub c there is a big difference. The header tank had to go also. Receiver is hitec QPCM, with gy 401/ 9254 combo. I have a 9252 on the collective and 2 s3050 on the cyclic.
08-15-2007 03:16 AM
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

600 Nitro

David, Can you stop comin' out with all this neat stuff? I like mY Stinger 50 ! Ok, Count me in for nitro conversion kit. Can I place my order now? How about order #1 ?
08-22-2007 11:02 PM
 
 
RaptorEngineer
Heliman
Location: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico

Its time to add other baby...

Place me first in the list...

I want my PHAZOR600Nitro ASAP.

"I want this new born in my hands"

regards

Julio

Make ideas into realities...
08-23-2007 09:53 PM
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FLYINFOOL
Veteran
Location: Cudahy, WI

Last I heard the Stinger 600 (nitro) will not come out till after the Phazor 600 (electric).

I am pushing for the Stinger 600 nitro for my stable also.
Electric just is not my thing.


Jeff Borowski
Gohbee Field Rep
0133TD
08-24-2007 04:14 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

We were at the field the other day doing some testing on the Phazor 600 and we let Henry Caldwell take her up for a spin. I shot some video in the process and I've included a link for your enjoyment.

http://www.gohbee.com/Merchant2/vid...to_Promo_hi.wmv

The machine was equipped as follows:

Gohbee 600mm CF Blades
Flightpower 8S EVO 25 3700mAH Battery
Neu 1515/1.5Y Motor (1500Kv)
Spektrum DX7 Radio w/ AR7000 Rx
Spartan DS760 Gyro
Futaba S9251 Tail Servo
Bluebird DS821MG Servos (Collective, Aileron, & Elevator)
Medusa Research Switchable BEC

Take a look....I'd like to hear your comments! ....Henry really hammers it.....notice all those right-hand piros!


-David
08-25-2007 11:27 PM
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

phazor 600

I'm starting to have second thoughts on that Nitro 6oo. !!! That Phazor 600E rips it up. Are the replacement parts going to be as reasonable as the Stinger 50?


BTW...just kiddin' about the 600N. I still want one...


Good choice of pilots for your testing...but so close to the ground with a prototype???

Harold
08-25-2007 11:46 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Will the elctric and nitro be out before Christmas
08-25-2007 11:57 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

GREAT, vid BTW.


HMMM, know i am not sure. Maybe i should be converting over to electric with they way fuel prices are these days and the way the hyper burns fuel.
08-26-2007 12:05 AM
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

The plan is to have them both out by Christmas.....we're working hard to bring it to you...

Below is a link to a lower resolution version of the same video for those that don't have a super fast connection:

http://www.gohbee.com/Merchant2/vid...o_Promo_med.wmv

I admit I wasn't too big on electrics until we started flying this one. There's a lot less clean up, the power is INCREDIBLE, and there's no engine tuning! Plug and play.


-David
08-26-2007 12:19 AM
 
 
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