rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 771 ONLINE 19 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
7 pages [ <<    <     3      4     ( 5 )     6      7     NEXT    >> ]4975 viewsPOST REPLY
GrandRC . CanoMod . Futaba-RC

.
.
Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > RAPTOR 50 600N Vs. Raptor 50
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

Quote 
I do own Align products and have owned Kyosho. Does that help ron?

OK, but have you owned a Trex Nitro? You are posting in that Forum. And what makes you think that anyone that posts here does not have any experience with TT?

See my point? I am not saying you don't have valid points, or disagree that bashers are just being foolish (same with Trolls)...But you asked why people who don't own a Raptor would be here and you were in the Align forum talking about the Trex Nitro.

The title of this thread is 600n vs Raptor 50.
What good would the "discussion" be if no one with a 600n was allowed or bothered to say anything?

As for bashing...One thing I have noticed here (internet, not just RR or this forum) is that if you say ANYTHING that might in SOME way be considered negative, people get defensive. And people react like you just called their kid ugly.

What the hell good would a "comparision" thread be if there was not discussion, or debate?
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Heli88
Key Veteran
Location: Clarkston, MI

Quote 
What the hell good would a "comparision" thread be if there was not discussion, or debate?

A good comparison thread is always welcome. It's guys like 10X that never have anything other than bashing to contribute...that gets old.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Ticidytoc
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles, Ca.

LOL

;o)
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
firefox
Senior Heliman
Location: Thailand

Thing about comparisons between any two rivals (PCs vs Macs, HD-DVD vs Blu-ray, TT vs Align, etc) is that it usually ends up with each side throwing mud at the other, conveniently focusing only on the negative aspects of the opposition, generalizing to an extreme, exaggerating like there was no tomorrow, calling each other names, and frankly saying things that really have no foundation in reality, over and over again. It's not much of a debate rather than the aimless rantings of fanboys or disgruntled ex-customers. There can be a few nice posts, which actually get to the point, but that's the exception, not the rule. This thread certainly abides by these rules.

Debate is debate, but this...?
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

OP
Quote 
All new guys around me switch to 600n, and i heard the spare parts for Raptor will more difficult to get.
What do we Raptor guys to do if it real happen?

You do what started the raptor revolution,you go with the new and better thing out.
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
mickeyapples
Veteran
Location: England

MR10x where is the next part of the Raptor story.

Live life on the edge. Stand next to me when I am flying
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Quote 
There can be a few nice posts, which actually get to the point, but that's the exception, not the rule. This thread certainly abides by these rules.
Thanks i appreciate the nice words.
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
blade3d
Elite Veteran
Location: New Jersey

Blu-ray,
---------------------------------------------------------------
Will Blu-ray rule ???

Blade3d
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Shadowfox
Senior Heliman
Location: ABQ,NM

>>>NEW 50 HELI ON THE MARKET!!!!<<<<<

Its awesome 2lbs lighter then the 600N WITH Ti frames and head!!!

3 spares NIP for the price of 1!

After lots of study and market surveys we named this AMAZING HELI after the typical Trex 600N customer.


(scroll down)

























INTRODUCING THE SHEEPLE 600N!!

So now the hype is on! Come and get them! Better than sliced bread!

MOOOve ur butts! Baaaahhhh....MOOOOOO....Baaaaahhhh.....MOOO (Get the brands hot fellow discerning heli pilots!)
08-17-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

Quote 
ts awesome 2lbs lighter then the 600N WITH Ti frames and head!!!

3 spares NIP for the price of 1!

Hey, if it flies half as much better as the Rex600 flies better than the Titan...I'll get two
08-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
dcbinkowski
Senior Heliman
Location: Lombard, IL - USA

I'm a bigger fan of my Craptor every time I fly it. It has a Kasama head on it, and you must know, it the best $200 you can spend on a Raptor 50. The head is the soul of the copter. The rest of the copter is simply matter which connects the tail blades to the rotor blades, and spins them both. Almost nothing but the head really matters. That said, I still see many advantages to the 600N, especially if you put a Kasama on IT !

The 600N has some points of superiority. Its somewhat stiffer, more solid feeling. Maintenance is much better. Those god damn captive bearings on the Raptor frames, and the fact that the pinion gets worn down by the lower bearing makes it ... unbear-ing-able. Those are the only 2 things that bother me about the Raptor's design.

I still like my Raptor 50. I love the way it flies. But if it ever crashes so bad I can't bear the thought of rebuilding it, the 600N is the most logical replacement. As of now I still have all 50-size and smaller helis.

Raptor Titan 50 w/ Kasama, GY-611
Evo 50 #1 w/ GY-601
Evo 50 #2 w/ GY-401
10-cell T-Rex 600 - NEU/Jazz
4-cell Lepton EX - Hyperion/Jazz
3-cell T-Rex 450 - stock
08-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RadioFlyerMk
Senior Heliman
Location: Trenton, Ohio,

You know, maybe I am missing something here but it seems to me that the Raptor guys never want to accept that another heli could be better. Rather they have tried anything else or not, doesn't matter. They are all about defending the raptor and shooting down anything else that raises eyebrows. I have had 3 of them, when I returned to RC I started back on a Raptor, I liked them too. I am not a very experienced pilot and even I can see that there are better designs out there. The raptor serves its purpose and I agree that with the kasama head it becomes a stronger competitor. But what is wrong with wanting a strong heli right out of the box, without spending an extra 200-280 bucks an already expensive bird. I remember when the Raptors came out and like it or not, the main attaraction was that it was cheaper to maintain.

Note: Alot say that the lighter 600N performs better, it is lighter, so something has to give to make it lighter, so yes, crashes may be more expensive. (By the way, I do not own a 600)

So......
Raptor owners sort of remind me of my dad. He will go to a restaurant to eat dinner. He orders the same thing everytime he goes, buffet or not. He will not even try a new food. When I tell him that "this" tastes sooo good and ask him about trying it he says, well, this is what I like, and thats that. And I will say, well how do you know you don't like "this" if you've never tried it. He will argue forever about it, and he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about because he never even tried it. There is no way it could taste as good as what he likes....this is true.
Things is, he could have sampled it and if he didn't like it, he could still eat what he likes. He is just too damn stubborn to give an inch = Some Raptor guys.
Now, is he missing out on anything, I guess not because it would be hard to miss what you never had. On the other hand, he isn't knocking on me for trying something new and liking it. It's called Co-existing.

So enjoy your raptors, I will probably buy another one some day myself, but don't cause yourself to miss out on something because of being too stubborn to look at the obvious.

I look for Thuder Tiger to come out with something new also. It would be really cool if they switched the raptor head to metal, designed a different looking CCPM frame and made use of the current tail assembly. Then the new raptor owners would benefit from not having to buy a metal head, and the guys who would want to switch over, would only need a short conversin kit and could use their 200 head.

-----------------------
"I'd rather hover a Heli......than fly a plane"
08-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
patriot21
Key Veteran
Location: Eagle Lake,MN

I think i recalled once or twice awhile back that Mr. 10x came into the rappy forums telling us how much better the Evo 50 was then the Raptor series... Mr 10x... did you switch to the trex now??? If so , How does the Trex compare to the Evo 50s???

Quote 
If the guys at your field are flying raptors get an EVO 50,they will see how great it flys and sell their raptors and get EVO's then everybody will have the same thing. Thats what is happening at my field. If your not real far along with your flying the EVO will be easier to fly and hovers more stable. Parts are dirt cheap for the EVO MAIN gear $6,boom $8,blade axle $5. Builds and sets up just like a raptor so you shouldn't need any help.

JRYSOSXLEVOMAN

Most people at our field used to fly raptors,now it is mostly EVO 50 and 90. We bought 2 evo 50's and when everyone flew them they sold the raptors and bought Evo's. Doug

JRYSOSXLEVOMAN


Dont buy the same heli as the people at your field unless it's an EVO.
Buy the EVO and as soon as they fly it they will be switching to EVO's and then everybody will have the same heli's. That is exactly what has happened at our field,now Raptors are a rare bird,usually a newbee that bought a raptor before talking to us. The only reason there are more Raptors than EVO's right now is because it has been out a lot longer.
The EVO is very easy to build and set up,parts are as cheap as any other brand.
DOUG

JRYSOSXLEVOMAN

Why would you waste time setting up a 3D and throttle hold curve when all he's going to do is hover. After he learns to hover show him how to do 3D and throttle hold curves,if he even bothers to come back.
EVO-better at smooth FAI type flight
EVO better at mild 3D flight
EVO better at hard 3D flight
EVO better and more stable in hover
Why would you settle for less when you dont have to.
EVO....There is on substitute.

JRYSOSXLEVOMAN


Deep down I think you have a Raptor 50 stashed in your closet waiting to be put together

My Sponsor:VISA
08-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
cookie monster
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles

I'm back to talk smack !!! I was given a 600n pro by a buddy that I did some work for. I built it and flew it but the fan is junk along with the oneway bearing from hell with a touchy tail. If I got carbon frames for my raptor then I would sell the 600n pro because its more user friendly.

Ronhill
Hell yeah I talked shi! about the 600n in the align forum for a reason... you align guys were coming here talking smack and trying to sell everyone on how great the 600n is when it fails right out of the box. I was making a point and still you don' get it.

I would not buy the 600n because it has problims that I have never had with a raptor.

MR10X
your just an old man born in 1946 so your old and bitchy and like to complain and I understand because my grandpa complains all the time

Miniature Aircraft fury extreme 90 710 radix Y.S 91
08-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Quote 
think i recalled once or twice awhile back that Mr. 10x came into the rappy forums telling us how much better the Evo 50 was then the Raptor series... Mr 10x... did you switch to the trex now??? If so , How does the Trex compare to the Evo 50s???

Yes i own both an EVO and a 600N.Never owned a raptor,i was able to fly someone else's so i didnt have to waste my good money on buying one. Yes the EVO and the 600 is better than the Raptor.The 600 flys better than the EVO,but i'm keeping it and my JR's and my Xcells.
08-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
patriot21
Key Veteran
Location: Eagle Lake,MN

I say it again....
Alot of it has to do with how the heli is set up and whose hands is at the controls... sure each bird has their pros and cons but
Alan Szabo jr's flying looked just as good with the raptor as the trex and as the aurora...

My Sponsor:VISA
08-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

cookie monster

Quote 
Hell yeah I talked shi! about the 600n in the align forum for a reason... you align guys were coming here talking smack and trying to sell everyone on how great the 600n is when it fails right out of the box. I was making a point and still you don' get it.

Oh I get it, YOU went trolling. You bitch about it, then you do it. Also, posting in a comparison forum is not trolling. What you did clearly was and you admitted thats all it was.
08-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
baby_zyklon
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

Can't comment on the evo vs raptor.

On the t-rex vs raptor...

The t-rex is a nice design, much newer than a raptor and much more appealing than the old and "pre-historic" raptor design. The t-rex is indeed lighter than a raptor, not by much, but significant. Anyone who doubts what performance improvement a slight weight decrease can try flying the raptor w/o the canopy, balanced by shifting the rx pack forward. However, being light does indeed brings about issues like less beefy parts, thinner canopy, which eventually leads to more parts distroyed in a crash. Plastic flex, carbon and fg breaks.

Although parts are cheaper for the t-rex because certain parts come in pack of 2 or 3, the price of the canopy and tail gear set is more than enough to make crashing it more expensive than a raptor. The raptor has got what is probably the most durable tail drive system design, no gear to strip and the belt usually survive crashes. It isn't the best. It does have issues like locking up the autohub when too tight, wearing the front idle pulley when too loose, but all in all, it is the most reliable and durable tail setup when you get it RIGHT. No gears to strip when the tail touch the ground, no gears to strip in crash.

There are issues with the raptor like autohub locking up, tail grip bearings disintegrating in flight, stock tail hub stripping, etc. However, the t-rex does have it set of issues too, clutch breaking, autohub issue, fan flexing stripping governor sensors. The issues on the raptors are probably non-existent once you get them fixed and will serve well w/o any maintaince for a few hundred flights. However, lets not forget that it took thundertiger MANY MANY years before they finally fixed issues like clutch shoes breaking ever so often, woof and poof and sloppy rotor grip with the release of the v2. In all fairness, I think we should give align some time to solve the issues.

As for flight performance, there is really no competition between the raptor and t-rex. The raptor head is an older design, quite lacking in pitch range. It first originated when 46 wasn't even common, not to mention hard 3d flying that everyone is trying to do today. Sure the kasama does fix it, but it isn't cheap.

My take is that the raptor is a reliable bird for day to day flying. While it lacks a bit in the performance sector, through the years, it has proven to be a very reliable and fuss free bird. Nothing to measure or balance, just slap it on and it will fly well. It survives crashes very well too. The t-rex on the other hand is a lot less durable in crash, but the flight enveloop possible with the newer design probably more than make up for it. In any case, you shouldn't be crashing much if you can feel a big difference between the 2.
08-19-2007 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
cookie monster
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles

RonHill

This is a site for people to compair heli's and talk smack. I was making a point I noticed that you don't have a raptor so what the hell are you doing trolling the raptor forum for? I got a 600n so I can compair the two for myself

Miniature Aircraft fury extreme 90 710 radix Y.S 91
08-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
dcbinkowski
Senior Heliman
Location: Lombard, IL - USA

Yeah okay, lets just say the fan is junk, and the one-way bearing is junk. I'm pretty certain they will address that soon. And if thats the extent of their problems with that copter, they have a pretty darn good thing going because I haven't heard of any other major flaws with it.

Mind you I have a 10S Electric 600, not a nitro. But my one way bearing sticks too. Its better than it slipping. My Evo 50's one way bearing disengaged on me about 10 feet over some trees and by the time I could react and pulled down on the collective to auto it, it had lost so much headspeed it was into the trees already and it went in hard. From what I heard the Evos all had that problem. They have a fix for it called a Sprag (Sprague?) bearing. It costs about $150, or is it $250? I can't remember. Doesn't matter because I'm never going to buy the damn thing. Its a one way bearing, you'd think they'd come up with a fix thats cheaper than that. Anyway, I have a Raptor, two Evos, a Lepton, two T-Rexes (600 and 450). I like them all. Just in different ways. Align, Thunder Tiger, Hirobo. Its now a three dog race. I'd be very surprised if Thunder Tiger didn't lose a lot of business to Align.
08-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
7 pages [ <<    <     3      4     ( 5 )     6      7     NEXT    >> ]4975 viewsPOST REPLY
A Main Hobbies . Boca Bearings . Modefo's RC Helicopters

.
.
Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > RAPTOR 50 600N Vs. Raptor 50
 PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Tuesday, December 2 - 12:32 am - Copyright © 2000 - 2008 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie