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Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > RAPTOR 50 600N Vs. Raptor 50
 
 
RonHill
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Location: ..

This is what kills me...When the Raptor came out a bunch of guys said it was the next best thing...And it was. But a bunch of folks said it was crap and the old stuff was better...They were not. The Raptor was a new generation of helicopter, it spanked anything that was out at the time and lead a leap in design.

Now the same thing is happening again, but with a different new guy.
The Raptor is a 10 year old design. Now thats not saying that anything else suddenly turns to crap..They remain exacty what they were. They still fly as well as they did, but the new stuff seems to fly better.

Now for those that claim the Kasama head makes the Rappy fly as well as the Trex...OK, but the Kasama head makes the Raptor 600 bucks and the low priced Rex is 400.00.

I am sure TT is not going to just sit out, and Hirobo will not just lay down and die either...But a 10 year old and 5 year old design is not cutting edge anymore. If they release new designs they will be in the new generation as well.

Flame on....I will not buy a Raptor or EVO. I have a Nrex Pro and am looking at the Knight 3d and Vibe 50.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN

Well said RonHill.

It's amazing that talking about the Raptor vs. the Trex turns into a massive flame war as does most every Helicopter X vs Helicopter Y thread. One just has to take any advice in these type of threads with a grain of salt and sift through the BS to find the good, solid info.

I would hope a brand new design would fly better than a 10 year old design. I had a Raptor. It flew very well for me and has a lot of aftermarket parts and info on it. They are both great helicopters and serve their purpose well. We, the modelers, should be happy to have so many choices in the 50 size market.

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Shane Eagan
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

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I am sure TT is not going to just sit out, and Hirobo will not just lay down and die either...But a 10 year old and 5 year old design is not cutting edge anymore. If they release new designs they will be in the new generation as well.

TT hasn't changed anything in 10 years,why would they start now. It was touted as a cheap entry level heli when it came out,not the all out 3d kick ass heli everybody thinks it is. The basic design hasn't changed in 10 years,it wasn't all that great then and that still hasn't changed.What was so attractive about the raptor when it came out was the price and cheap repair parts, sure it could 3D but it wasnt any better than the Baron 30( not as good as the baron in my opinion),and certianly not any where as good as quit a few 30's on the market.
Somewhere along the line newbees were buying them and saying they were the best helicopter on the market,so the next newbee buys one and the rumor goes on,and on,and on ,and on, so that rumor is running ramped still today on RunRyder.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Jonty
Veteran
Location: London

I almost wonder if it comes down to the fact that some of us on here always need to be one up on everyone else. If something new comes along they just have to have it and then they can sit back at the field and bag out the rest of us who are content with our currnet heli and are enjoying ourselves.

I think a lot of the back and forth in this topic has gone from a genuine comparison (which is fine)to a fight between those that still own the Raptor and wish to find for themselves reassurance that their heli is still a good heli vs those that have bought the Trex and take pride in getting one up on everyone else.

Searching through this thread, you come across information which helps understand the differences in flight characteristcs which is useful for those who are thinking of buying a new heli or are just starting out. However, the Raptor has not suddenly turned into a piece of crap overnight and although it will be tough for TT to sell new helis with a new design out there, there is nothing wrong with it.

People just need to get off their computers, stop worring about what the neighbours have and just bloody fly!!!
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Divot
Veteran
Location: Mesa, AZ

Jonty,

That was the best and most truthful post in this thread...
Very well said.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

And now for the rest of the story.....
Newbee Little Johnny is out flying his Raptor,hovering and a little FF,nothing big just some figure eights. It's hovering good,you know bouncing up and down a little bit having to always correct with some cyclic inputs but nothing big the usual Raptor stuff, but he knows he has the best heli made because he read it on RunRyder. He hasn't really tried a different heli to know any different, besides he spent all his extra money on upgrades and bling for his Raptor to fix the blade woof and poof,new TR hub,clutch, you know the usuall stuff everybody has to do to their heli reguard less of brand.Up comes a new newbee and see's Johnny flying and says boy i didnt know a helicopter could fly like that,and asks Johnny which helicopter he recomends becasue he wants to start flying heli's too.So Johnny says without hesitation get a raptor it's the best helicopter made, and he should know because he's been flying for 3 months.
To be continued.........................
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Jonty
Veteran
Location: London

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And now for the rest of the story.....
Newbee Little Johnny is out flying his Raptor,hovering and a little FF,nothing big just some figure eights. It's hovering good,you know bouncing up and down a little bit having to always correct with some cyclic inputs but nothing big the usual Raptor stuff, but he knows he has the best heli made because he read it on RunRyder. He hasn't really tried a different heli to know any different, besides he spent all his extra money on upgrades and bling for his Raptor to fix the blade woof and poof,new TR hub,clutch, you know the usuall stuff everybody has to do to their heli reguard less of brand.Up comes a new newbee and see's Johnny flying and says boy i didnt know a helicopter could fly like that,and asks Johnny which helicopter he recomends becasue he wants to start flying heli's too.So Johnny says without hesitation get a raptor it's the best helicopter made, and he should know because he's been flying for 3 months.
To be continued.........................

I get the feeling that not all of your nitro has made it into your fuel mix. Mind you, makes for an amusing read.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

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So Johnny says without hesitation get a raptor it's the best helicopter made,

Times change...Designs get better. But the big thing is that a company has come into town and has promissed a great flying heli that costs less than anything out. The people that are flying these say that they fly better than the current crop, cost less, and have great features that people didn't expect a 50 could have.

The Raptor is the heli I am typing about here. 10 years ago it was maybe the best flying heli out. It certainly won out over almost every other one at the time since it is still here and many are gone. Then came the EVO; It was a two dog race for cheap, good flying machines.

I don't think anyone was really impressed with the Titan. Comments like "Do we really need a longer boom?" And "I don't like the tail servo in the back." were quite common on here. Some said things like, "Ok they changed the name but unless they changed the design this is an entry level 50 class heli, the 50 SE is still availiable as the TT upper crust heli." From: http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...highlight=Titan

So, I think most would agree the Titian was not a great leap forward. The thing is people are looking for the next generation, people want 90 sized features on 50 class budgets. This is the direction that most folks are headed.

Again, a new release does not suddenly make the older helis crap. The Raptors that rocked last weekend and going to rock next weekend. Just because something new comes out that might fly better does not mean that the old ones suddenly can't out fly most people.

But if you could buy a 1997 Corvete, or a 2007 vete for the same price...Which would you choose?

I am looking forward to see what TT and Hirobo put out to compete.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

I choose the 1997 Vette, god only knows what kind of crap they use on new vettes now to make it as cheaper as the 97'... nahh!

I must admit I just bought a Raptor last week, $150 US for an almost new heli, good deal, and can practice and practice until I'm ready for my 600N, or Aurora, of course I never again will pay $400 for a new Raptor unless TT decide to include stock in kits, metal head, CF blades, CF fins, FG body, 3rd bearing on main mast and fix it the two or three bugs that still found on its kits (like the TR hub), maybe this way it can compete more fair with the cheap 600N. Sincerely, I don't think TT does nothing and when they realize the market was eated by competition it will be too late.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Big Edge
Senior Heliman
Location: Palm Harbor, FL USA

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Jonty,

That was the best and most truthful post in this thread...
Very well said.

Truthful? Just another opinion.. IMO..
"Very well said" I agree.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

continuing on......

V1 of the raptor is a huge sucess,so TT comes out with a new model.....The V2. As good as the V1 is they manage to make it better,new decals and a new plastic canopy ,but they will let the clutch,TR hub,canopy mount continue on ( they will fix themselve's). Now this is what everybody has been waiting for a new model,and it is so good TT says the control system will be copied 10 years down the road (MCCPM,what ever that is...flybar on top, 21 degrees max pitch).
Now TT desides they need a couple of the top flyers to showcase their work so they hire the Szabo brothers to fly the raptors and give them whatever they need. Sales boom now,after all the Szabo's are flying Raptors so it must be the best. Alan and Danny practice everyday and get the heli set up as good as they can,they enter contest's and come close to winning but never quite do it. They want changes but TT says no, we have so many upgrades and bling bling we need to come out with a new model that these parts will fit. So TT comes out with a new model.........The Titan.

Man it doesn't get any better,new decals,longer boom so you can finally use 620 blades that everybody wants ( TT does listen to their customers)and an optional 8.7 gear set. But there's controversy about the gear set,half the people says it's better and half say it's not (thank god for RunRyder,how else would people find these things out).
Then startling news,the Szabo's quit TT.............to be continued
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Heli88
Key Veteran
Location: Clarkston, MI

LOL...I am always amazed at how many non Raptor owners hang out here to bash the Raptor? Are you guy's jealous or just insecure? There are quite a few good heli's on the market, just fly what you like, don't try to convince us that yours is better.

Can anyone of you non TT flyers explain why you want to hang out on the TT forum? I just don't get it...
08-16-2007 Over year old.
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firefox
Senior Heliman
Location: Thailand

A totally new design, with pretty much no need to stick to old parts stock to appease dealers and customers, should be better than an old design, as long as it's designed with at least half a brain. TT stuck to an old basic design and only made minor refinements to it to keep compatibility with parts already out there. They could have done something like JR and made some totally different designs, and then customers and retailers alike would have trouble finding parts for each. When I go to most hobby stores, the parts they will most likely stock are Raptor parts. Even when designing the E-raptor, TT still stuck to the basic design to keep customers and retailers happy. Of course, doing this has its ups and downs, as people have pointed out, but there *are* advantages, not just disadvantages, to this tactic.

Thing is, TT can't be accused to not innovating. Their mini-Titan, instead of a "T-rex compatible" like nearly every other helicopter in the market, has a ton of things that set it apart from the crowd. Granted, there are problems, but they did take a chance and innovated.

I'm not saying TT is perfect, as they do make mistakes, like any other company. Thing is, there are always two sides to the argument, and staying on just one side can be a bit repetitive. My next bird will probably be a T-rexN just to see what all the fuss is about, but I'm waiting for all the bugs to be worked out first. Thing is, if I ever crash it, it would mean a loooooong drive to the only shop that actually stocks enough parts to be worth going to (and no, online is not an option). With the Raptor, I have 4 shops nearby which stock plenty of parts.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RavenExtreme
New Heliman
Location: Singapore

IMHO,

After reading all these pages, it sure reminds me of the good old days when I got my 1st heli. I have move on from JR to Sanwa Kalts to Hirobo and den the TT Raptors. Being into this game, I believe all of us is aware of our curiosity into these Big Boy's Toys. When ever there is a new kid on the block, there will always be people who purchase them and claim that they are better. There will also be people who will try to upgrade their current Toys to keep up with technology and performance.

We fly to enjoy our hobby. We fly not to show others we are having a newer cutting edge machine.

I have a R90, a R50SE and a R50 Titan. I sold the R50SE 2 weeks ago and replace it with a sports 600N. Both the Rex and Rappy are great machines. But none of them has the best of both worlds. Weight and strength doesnt go together.

The 600N as in its stock has more punch on the Hyper50 due to its weight different. It flies well and responds is pretty instant with the CCPM head. But the material and construction keeps me on my toes as I am very afraid to crash it. (Snap-On screw driver and China Screw Driver, which one would you buy?)
I would agree that its the new kid on the block cutting edge machine in performance but it doesnt turn the Rappys into a pile of **** overnight. I bought the blank kitt w/o the align engine as I feel that its some "R & D" (Recieve & Duplicate) stuff. Apart from my experience walking into Align Head Office in Taiwan, I had a shock. I saw Align Fridge, Align Irons, Table fans etc etc... they make Home appliances...LOLx. http://www.align.com.tw/shop/index...._45&language=en
for those interested, this is the address: No.345 Shui Yuan Road, Feng Yuan,Taiwan,R.O.C)
All these didnt stop me, I gave it a shot... because of the Szabo's. No Fear, just Try... I still got 2 Rappy on the shelf =)

About the Rappy. IMHO its a Kick Ass machine of its own class. Over the some 10yrs, it has stole the lime light over many other competitor of its class. Till date, and still being one of the hi performance heli around interms of performance and spares. It flies great too, but TT has not solve some of the stupid problems. The Skis are flimzy, then its tail boom clamping problem on the frame. Anyway I add an additional metal servo holder acting as a stopper to prevent the boom from slipping. Comparing the Rappy to the 600N is a little off. Its like comparing a 10yr old improvised Porsche to a New model Ferrari. How about comparing the 600N Ten years down the road to a New 2017 model? At this point, I would agree the 600N is on the upper hand. TT needs to do something. If they are smart, they would retain the current Head and Tail assembly and re-design a new Retrofit Frame. A new CCPM Frame should really cut down alot of weight. Then Old Skool rappy flier who owns Raptors could just buy the conversion kitt. It would make Suppliers, Distributers and Fliers alot happier.

Both Helis are great...

To be honest, I would not feel proud about it if I smoke a 10yr old bike on the street with my new 07 model. 07 model is suppose to be better den a 10yr old technology. If the 600N cannot defeat the 10yr old Raptors, Align might as well go back to making Irons and Table Lamps.

I am like both my 600N as well as my Rappys. Cos I feel happy flying them. Dats why I am enjoying every bit of this Hobby. Hope all of you guys here enjoy too...

Dats it for now... cheeros


Rgds
Tak
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

continuing on............
The Titan,now here is what everybody has been waiting for. A new model,only this time there is more than just new decals. A longer boom,people have been wanting a longer boom so they can use 620mm blades like the other 50 heli. Doesnt matter that the 600mm is just about the most a 50 will swing in hard 3D but there are those less skilled that want 620's. Things are great now for TT,and they didn't even have to do many changes other than shifting a few servo's around on the frame to come with this top end model. Hell parts availability is great all the hobby shop have parts,there is even some sightings of parts in Wallmart and TOYS R US. And ACE's support is second to none rivaling Hirobo.This thing flys great,but there are a few foward thinking people that think it can fly better (if thats possible) and find some new products for the Titan. They already have $600 to $700 dollars in these things but it's worth it. The Kasama head shows up and these people plunk down their money. What a transformation this is it flys much better,but wait another big controversy rears it's ugly head. The TT reps says this just aint so,it doesnt fly better with the Kasama head,(what would we do without RunRyder). Now something shows up that will transform the R50 into the best 50 available,the Zero G conversion. Doesn't matter that it puts the price of your finished R50 in the $1000 range,at this point it's all about performance.........to be continued
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Billebob
Senior Heliman
Location: Tim-buck-2

MR10X,

I clicked on posts under your name and it appears you are pretty consistant in complaining about TT if nothing else. I just like to look for trends, that's all, and that button is great for this. Buy what you like and fly the crap out of it but leave the rest of us to do our Raptor thing and enjoy helping one another. We obviously like them, will continue using them regardless, so complaining won't change that. Some might tend to just skip over any good advice you might give, being a bit tired of the same old direction you take.

BB
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

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LOL...I am always amazed at how many non Raptor owners hang out here to bash the Raptor?

Not bashing, comparing/explaining/discussing. This is a free forum, and its not like you have to enter a serial number off a Raptor to get in.

Me personally, I came in after a TT guy started trolling in the Align section. http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t366327p1/

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Are you guy's jealous or just insecure?

Neither, more like bored at work. Students are taking a test and I have nothing to do.

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Can anyone of you non TT flyers explain why you want to hang out on the TT forum? I just don't get it...

You yourself have posts in the Align 600N forum in threads just like this one: "Will the Raptor and Evo survive?"

From the Kyosho section...you told a guy, "If you are going to change at least look at the the Evo 50 and the T-Rex 600N before you decide."

Why are you in there? So to answer your question: "Can anyone of you non TT flyers explain why you want to hang out on the TT forum? I just don't get it..."

It seems the same reason you that hang out in other forums.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Billybob if you dont what i write put me on your ignor list,that way you wont see my post's and get upset.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Heli88
Key Veteran
Location: Clarkston, MI

I do own Align products and have owned Kyosho. The Kyosho and Align post's started in the main forum, then moved. Does that help ron?
08-16-2007 Over year old.
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DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

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LOL...I am always amazed at how many non Raptor owners hang out here to bash the Raptor?
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Tread title:
RAPTOR 50 600N Vs. Raptor 50

I own a 600N,so i was invited.
08-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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