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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > How the community deals with safety issues.
 
 
Helikrasher
Veteran
Location: USA

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For example, choosing to live in New Orleans where the sea level is higher than the land - - - - and wait for a hurricane to sweep in.
So, everyone that lives there is stupid .... and everyone that was killed by St. Helens is probably stupid too, then. And the 100,000 that the tsunami wiped out, yeah, stupid as well. Good way of thinking ... natural disasters only kill stupid people ...

HK ... In a world of compromise, some don't.
08-17-2007 10:14 PM
 
 
whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

Acceptable risk is everywhere. Our problem is defining what is acceptable and what is not.

On a side ramble. What does "pro" mean with regaurds to Rc helicopters anyway? Is it being sponcored? Is it being a factory pilot? Is it the number of gallons you have burned? Is it how many machines you have built? Is it how many years you have flown?

I see the term thrown around all the time and it kind of makes me laugh.
I don't know of any degree's being offered for rc heli flying.
I've never heard of any state governments with any kind of licensing requirements. So just what is a "pro" anyway.

Mike
08-17-2007 11:02 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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What does "pro" mean with regaurds to Rc helicopters anyway? Is it being sponcored? Is it being a factory pilot? Is it the number of gallons you have burned? Is it how many machines you have built? Is it how many years you have flown?

The term pro can be easily defined because it coincides nicely with the rankings here on RR. You are a Pro if you are an Elite Veteran or above!
08-17-2007 11:34 PM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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The term pro can be easily defined because it coincides nicely with the rankings here on RR. You are a Pro if you are an Elite Veteran or above!

There's no relationship between posts and someone's ability to fly.

The definition of professional can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional

Based on the definition, there are only a very small handful of professionals in our hobby.



08-18-2007 12:17 AM
 
 
whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

"The term pro can be easily defined because it coincides nicely with the rankings here on RR. You are a Pro if you are an Elite Veteran or above!"

Elite Veteran = Keyboard Jockey

Mike
08-18-2007 03:21 AM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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There's no relationship between posts and someone's ability to fly.


Acedude:

Grow a sense of humor!
08-18-2007 02:43 PM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Grow a sense of humor!

Um, got one, but not when it comes to safety.



08-18-2007 02:54 PM
 
 
TRACERBOB
Senior Heliman
Location: Panama City, FL USA

Jeez, Lets get back on topic. Safety

If we don't police ourselves, somebody will do it for us and it won't be pretty.
08-18-2007 06:15 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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Um, got one, but not when it comes to safety.

Please, I wasnt joking about safety, I was joking on Runryder

Apparently whirlyspud understood that and it went straight over your head.
08-18-2007 06:25 PM
 
 
Dustoff
Heliman
Location: West Lafayette, IN - USA

Accidents at IRCHA

I was at IRCHA and witnessed both accidents. Both people hit were in violation of the saftey rules set up in the Pilots meetings. Pilot and spotter at the flight station only. If they had been back behind the safety line, not standing right berhind the Pilot, the Heli's would have crashed in front of them or at their feet.
08-21-2007 04:41 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

well there you have it.

if they were in violation of established rules after being briefed about said rules, then the people who were hit were at fault!
08-21-2007 05:05 PM
 
 
Jeff Swartz
Key Veteran
Location: Ohio

How the cummunity deals with safety issues

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09-17-2007 12:06 AM
 
 
cdrking
Elite Veteran
Location: Seattle

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we have another incident in NY that will that will add much fuel to that question.

So what happened?

Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
09-17-2007 12:10 AM
 
 
bosshoss
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago, IL

Reality Check.

I fly with Whirlyspud. I just started flying choppers this season after flying planks since childhood with my Pop in 70's.

Whirly repeatedly has told me to stay farther out when flying my chopper and I have heeded his warning. With his tutledge I have become a decent heli flyer.

But, I said this in a IRCHA post , about the camera guy getting hit. .....

Either we self-police ourselves better, and get very strict, or the first Dateline NBC report about a heli pilot killing himself or someone else will make us wish we did.

I thought there was a story floating around about a son being killed by his father and heli....but it must not have made it to Dateline NBC or CNN.

The whole who will sue who first thing...that will happen...maybe the Chi incident and the legal mess that will follow will change it for us.

All we can do is self-police...with no exceptions. No matter if the "offender" is a friend or not.

I got on a friend this past weekend for a serious safety violation...Whirly witnessed it. You can't pull punches ...even on a friend. Safety is #1....or this hobby will be #2.
09-17-2007 10:54 PM
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Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Either we self-police ourselves better, and get very strict, or the first Dateline NBC report about a heli pilot killing himself or someone else will make us wish we did.

I thought there was a story floating around about a son being killed by his father and heli....but it must not have made it to Dateline NBC or CNN.

I couldn't agree more, but spend some time reading some of the posts here and on every other RC Heli site and you'll quickly learn what you're dealing with. Most folks just don't get it and never will.



09-17-2007 11:23 PM
 
 
TRACERBOB
Senior Heliman
Location: Panama City, FL USA

If you guys don't believe my earlier post, let me say this. When's the last time you saw a 3 wheeled ATV? Right. Legislated right out of exsistance. Jet skis are next in line for legistrative exstinction. People, If we can't function in a responsible manner, we're doomed.
09-17-2007 11:31 PM
 
 
spog
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

The accident already happened.
No matter how well we police ourselves, there will still be accidents. This hobby is inherently dangerous, so if you think accidents will shut us down, it's only a matter of time police or not. Sell your stuff now while it's still worth something.
09-17-2007 11:40 PM
 
 
rotoryrob
Veteran
Location: Auburn WA

You know it is not too late. I have been flying for some years now and at our flying field we have a half fenced pilot stall so that if a heli was to come at you, you could duck behind it. Then between that and the pit area there is some 70 feet. The specators are behind the Pit area which is boardered with big wood fence. The rules are you fly out front over the field you can bring it close to the pilot stalls and there is a fence barrier at least for protection. The spectators have plenty of room to see a heli out of control and get out of the way. You are not going to be able to stop all accidents but you can make it safer.

Rotoryrob
WWW.Roto-Cam.com
09-18-2007 12:08 AM
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TRACERBOB
Senior Heliman
Location: Panama City, FL USA

Aw come on Spog, No reason to get fatalistic on us. Another example. I also race nitro boats. Our speeds on a twin 84 ci (about 15 hp) hydro is around 100 mph. Put 6 of those in a heat and you've got REAL safety issues. BUT...we practice good safety habits and ENFORCE them. There have been few if any accidents to date.
09-18-2007 12:34 AM
 
 
bsoder
Heliman
Location: Mesa, AZ

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we practice good safety habits and ENFORCE them. There have been few if any accidents to date.

Combine the dangers of helicopters, with the wildcat attitude of many e-flyers "I don't need no steenkin AMA, I'll go fly in the park!" and you're asking for trouble.

Too many people don't or won't follow good safety habits, and who's enforcing them, when people have the I-can-fly-anywhere-I-want attitude?
09-18-2007 12:43 AM
 
 
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