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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > I'm concerned...
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Why is it that the moment some one learns to hover inverted they want to grind their ($100+) blades and heli equipment down on the pavement?

You are causing unknown damage to your blades not to mention trying to crash what you've tried so hard to keep from crashing.

I don't know how many times I've seen people do this and continue to fly after they KNOW their blades have been damaged. This is a major disaster just waiting to happen.

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING?!?

Dons her new stylish purple flame suit....
Malorie

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
irq
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

Some people would just rather ignore a problem, if its possible. You can't ignore blades in multiple parts, but otherwise...

And I do agree with you, its crazy.

But more importantly, regarding your flame suit, is purple your favorite color?
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Hey how'd you guess. LOL

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

Malorie, you are so right....

No way would I fly again with blades that have been bashed...

Then again, 15 years ago I knew of a guy that took a blade to the lower jaw when the root gave way whilst tracking his heli....



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02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

There is no doubt that there are dangers in what we do for a hobby, I just prefer not increasing the risk to life and limb, much less the pocket book.

cnsheets,
I am soooooo out of practice with all the wonderfull weather we have here, but thanks anyway.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
capebob
Veteran
Location: Cape Coral, FL

Stultus est sicut stultus facit
02-10-2003 Over year old.
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TOSH
Elite Veteran
Location: UK.

Stultus est sicut stultus facit

I for one am not going to argue with that!
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
johnboy
Veteran
Location: South Lincolnshire nr Peterborough UK

ha

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You know how Mas flies the inverted shuttle in his ads? Any idea how one would mount a rod to the top of the rotor? It would solve the problem of damaged blades



now try to slow down those blades with the palm of your hand on where the head button once was....OOooooo

much safer now......

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02-10-2003 Over year old.
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-kc-
Heliman
Location: england, birmingham

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now try to slow down those blades with the palm of your hand on where the head button once was....OOooooo


haha yeah OUCH.

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02-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

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I just prefer not increasing the risk


The root of the whole safety issue I might add.

Adding risk is like a house of cards, add just_one_more_risk to those you have stacked already and it all falls down, sometimes resulting in a nasty case of death.
A good reason for not proping up risks you dont need to add.

Dave

www.polecam-systems.com
02-21-2003 Over year old.
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johnboy
Veteran
Location: South Lincolnshire nr Peterborough UK

malorie

I think it's the difference between women and men (boyz).it's sorta linked to one of my threads this one

Danger Danger................

feel free to put a post , if you did any stupid things as a kid .

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02-21-2003 Over year old.
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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Believe me, I know all about doing stupid things. I did something so stupid, I ended up in the emergency room dying from an explosion. I now have extreme fears of loud things that produce a lot of potential, like RC helicopters. It took me a long time to get to a point with these helis that I could hover closer than 50 or 100 feet from myself. It still makes me fairly nervuos. That is why I started this topic. I know how fast things start to go wrong. I don't know if you all truely understand what sort of potential mortal danger there is in just flying these things in close. Then I see people increasing the risk by causing damage to an already high potential machine with little or no concern.

I have seen discussions here about how nobody knows what the terminal RPM of these blades are, or at what point will they depart the helicopter. None of the manufacturers have specs on such a thing, much less a damaged pair.

I guess I see it as extreme complacency. It's entertaining for the croud until a blade departs the heli and somebody gets hurt. Sort of like the plankers reaching through the prop to remove the glow starter. I have seen this go poorly for the pilot far too many times.

I remember the story from last year of a good heli pilot in England that is now trying to fly with a few less fingers.

I am certainly not angry about all this, just concerned. Continue to have fun, just don't forget the potential for injury.

Malorie

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Rick_H
Key Veteran
Location: Boulder City, Nevada

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Why is it that the moment some one learns to hover inverted they want to grind their ($100+) blades and heli equipment down on the pavement?


Because they can.

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You are causing unknown damage to your blades not to mention trying to crash what you've tried so hard to keep from crashing.

I don't know how many times I've seen people do this and continue to fly after they KNOW their blades have been damaged. This is a major disaster just waiting to happen.


This has been done so many times, what makes you think there is unknown damage to the blades? Have you ever seen or heard of a case were the blades failed in flight after the stunt was performed? I am not talking about crashing during the stunt but after they flew off from performing the stunt. Has anyone X-Rayed a set of blades after this stunt was performed to see if there is any serious damage to the blades?

This sport is dangerous, but so are other sports. Man has been pushing the envelope in flight since it’s beginning, If they had stopped the first time it got dangerous we would all be grounded.

Keep this in mind, as the top flyers push these machines to the limit the designers continue to design better and safer equipment. Could the type of flying of today even be done 5 or 10 years ago? What would have happened if someone even attempted to fly the way Alan Jr. does 10 years ago?

If there was any evidence to backup your claim that damage is done to the blades then you can bet that this type of flying would not be allowed.

Just my 2 cents.
02-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
johnboy
Veteran
Location: South Lincolnshire nr Peterborough UK

stoke it up...............he he

god..... does any flyer who can hover inverted and think that he scuff the tips and do it without realising the dangers ....I think not..

And does any one know the full facts about the UK burgen rep who lost his fingers temporarily...i think he can count to ten again..(or twenty if you include toes)


I think one of the biggest concerns is makeing sure the newbies get the proper advice and help needed to take on this inherently dangerous hobby.

I take this hobby on with a clear understanding of the dangers...thats part of it's attraction for me

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02-21-2003 Over year old.
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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

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Has anyone X-Rayed a set of blades after this stunt was performed to see if there is any serious damage to the blades?


My point exactly "unknown damage", thank you.

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This sport is dangerous, but so are other sports. Man has been pushing the envelope in flight since it’s beginning, If they had stopped the first time it got dangerous we would all be grounded.


Yes it is dangerous. This is not the pushing the envelope of flight it is pushing the envelope of ego driven flight. Most anyone pushing the envelope of flight has always taken every concievable precaution to make certain it is safe.

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Could the type of flying of today even be done 5 or 10 years ago?


Yes, CY has been flying at this level for a long time now. Have you ever seen CY's tape "What's He Doing Now". It was copywrited in 1995 and even without HH he was doing stuff most of us never dreamed of. So we're not the first folks to push these machines to their limits.

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If there was any evidence to backup your claim that damage is done to the blades then you can bet that this type of flying would not be allowed.


How much evidence do you need?

I get your point, but my point is that the only reason anybody does this type of thing is for the "LOOK AT ME" factor. Anybody capable of hovering inverted is capable of this so it obviously has very little to do with pilot skill or pushing the envelope of flight. If safety was a consideration, it would be done as often as the canopy kissing and hovering needle adjustment. In my eyes it is no different.

This is just my opinion so please, knock yourself out, it's your money and your life. As long as you're having fun and not endangering anybody around you.

If you want to impress the croud, show them you can control something at the flightline besides your heli.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
02-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Safe_Cracker
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, IL

LOL, That's not Damage!

Scuffing doesn't even get into the carbon or fiber glass and there is no real shock to the blade it self.I do agree that a boom strike or dirt knap can cause severe external as well as internal damage but a couple of inverted bumps are nothing.If there was any type of blade threatening shock then the bird would roll up into a ball.Just remember, the equipment is getting safer but it is the pilots that are a real danger, LOL....
02-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Mr_Magoo
Veteran
Location: Reality & Nevada

I'm not an advocate of blade scuffing. I'm too cheap to do a stunt like that myself. But, the tips of the blades don't experience much mechanical stress (bending or tensile). I guess I'd be mostly worried about the innards flying out from the blade or a rapid delamination in an extremely scuffed blade. I don't consider the damaged blades you've shown as all that bad.


Magoo
02-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
321
Senior Heliman
Location: FL

02-26-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Really does it matter..

No I don't fly inverted and scuff my blades or anything else.. But honestly who cares if other people do? I can see being concerned if they are doing it in front of a group of people or something, but think about it:

Nobody scuffs their blades in the grass. How many flying fields have you seen that are mostly asphalt? All the pictures and videos I've seen of ppl "scuffing" are them all by themselves out on some abandoned runway or parking lot.

I just don't think its worth bitching and complaining about something like this. The amount of time it takes for a thread like this to start and stop is a lot of time that I feel is wasted, but thats the whole point of forums right? Whats the point of a post that doesn't teach anything and its someone stating their opinion to get a number of ppl on their "side" to say "Yeah man, thats really stupid" or "Yeah thats dumb"..

Don't take this personal, its not meant to be.
02-26-2003 Over year old.
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321
Senior Heliman
Location: FL

02-26-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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