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Align T-REX 600N 700N > One-Way Bearing Issue Count
 
 
Freakout
Senior Heliman
Location: CA

It is the case, not the bearing.

Magic's in the air!
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jsheli
Heliman
Location: Uniontown, PA - USA

Some more light to shine on the subject...

I too had my 1W lockup on the 2nd flight and tried some different lubs as previously mentioned - nothing worked.

I ordered the new HN6064 ("prevents lock-up" from Esprit and installed it yesterday. I was surprised to find the sleeve appears to be identical to the stock part as both have a 0.473" OD.
However, the 1W bearing is different: the stock one is 0.483" ID whilst the HN6064 is 0.488" ID. I was leary that only 5 thousandths would make much difference and was anxious to try it.

Tonight's test revealed complete success! Two tanks, 10.5 min ea, 1960 RPM, a fair dose of 3D (some strong but none violent), and at least a dozen autos mixed in - not a single lockup. Oh what joy to hear the engine instantly drop to an idle as soon as the hold switch is hit!

Further testing forthcoming...

"Gee I love my N5"
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
SkateFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Cambs UK/Luton

Funny thing this...
I actually thought my Trex 600n Sport was flawless... asside the fact i couldnt pull out long autos...

So the other day a friend points out that my auto hub is well and trully seized up, which hadnt occured to me to check!

I autoed on my first flight and remember thinging it was a little lacking so i guess it must have locked up early on...

So a gallon through this bird with a locked auto hub and i got it off today to discover something very worrying...



Not one, but Two of the rollers in the one way bearing have failed!

They are just lose in the housing...
I didnt consider the auto lockup a failure because it didnt seem that serious but to fly a heli for a gallon and find that the bearing isnt just *sticky* but has started to downright disintergrate is about as much a failure as you can get, asside the thing deciding to slip in both directions...

I'm now stuck just before uni, when i want to get as much flying in as possible, 4 gals due in the post tomorow and i cant even put the bearing back on for fear i may never get it off again (one ways like to do that in this condition).

So I'v e-mailed the place i got it from, shall we take bets as to weather it'll get replaced?

This just leaves the question... how do i get the bleeding thing out for a new one?!

Best regards

-Jvr
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
george0079
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Firma

You need to get yourself one of these


http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=3100

You think your kids are expensive now?

Just wait until they move out!!
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
JMF
Senior Heliman
Location: Clinton

I went with the boca bearing right from the start. I never even used the original one way. I have 12 flights on the boca with no problems whatsoever.
You say a little play in the main shaft fit is causing this?
My JR Vigor has a little play at that point on the shaft as well. I have about 300 flights on that with no issues.
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
rajeev
Heliman
Location: Kolkata, India

Hi,
Just a noobie question??

How do you know your one way bearing got locked up ??. Can this happen in flight.

Thanks and excuse the ignorance.
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
charliedoane
Senior Heliman
Location: Branford, CT USA

Just had my 5th bearing lockup. I replaced them after every lockup. I'm getting a Boca replacement.
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
SkateFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Cambs UK/Luton

the main gear should move the blades with the direction of the engine and slip freely against

Anyone know where these bocca bearings can be found in the UK?

Best regards

-Jvr
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
SkateFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Cambs UK/Luton

Aye,
Its up for replacement, but with uni so close i cant be waiting around so ordered a new part, going to send this one off and get store credit

Good people there,
Am surprised the extent that the bearing has degraded...

Happy ending 2moro though i hope

-Jvr
08-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
cudaboy_71
Elite Veteran
Location: sacramento, ca, u.s.

i was just digging through some old (really old) posts and came across this one by Augusto.

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t55473p1/

take a minute to let all that sink in, then read on:

i'm no engineer, but what he says about the basic function of a sprague clutch/oneway bearing makes sense. The only difference between the issue with the Freya bearings and the issue with the 600N bearings is one fundamental design of the autorotation case, changing the problem from one of bearing slippage in the Freya to lockup in the 600. But, in both issues it seems that there's a failure of the sprague system to engage as designed. In the Freya instance, failure of the oneway to self-align during engagement caused microfratures in the auto case, causing the auto case to expand and prohibit the clutch from engaging. in the instance of the 600N, there is an upper and lower bearing (on the main shaft) preventing the sleeve from self-aligning; and, because of the pressfit nature of the oneway bearing in the case, it cannot self-align, thereby creating a failure of the roller bearing retainers in the clutch itself.

of course, in Augusto's post, he provides a remedy in greasing the outside of the oneway bearing before going into the autorotation case. But, this is not a solution for the 600 because of the press fitting.

so, it would seem that the 600N hubs have a bit of a design flaw --at least according to the concepts outlined in Augusto's post. And, unless i'm just completely missing the point (which i very well could be) i'm having trouble coming up with an easy fix. the way i read it, one of the two components of a sprague bearing, either the roller casing or the shaft/sleeve that fits into it, need some lateral self-adjusting room to properly engage. if neither are allowed to self-align, undue forces are exerted repeatedly on a disproportionatly small area of the oneway--ultimately causing failure.

like i said, i'm no engineer. so, i still have one lingering question: why is this not an issue in the 600E with such a similar if not identical design? i have some theories already...but, still half baked. as i continue to think about this throughout the day, i'll probably start shooting holes in my own argument. but, maybe this can start some intelligent conversation about the actual problem, a fix, a mod, a workaround or outright solution. or perhaps understanding the problem can help suss out the subtle setup differences between the people having lockup issues and those not (main gear to pinion mesh leaps to mind off hand--as this could be the few thousanths of an inch self-aligning freedom the main gear needs to self align to the oneway?????)

if it ain't broke…break it.
08-29-2007 Over year old.
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Rockohaulic
Elite Veteran
Location: Valencia, CA, USA, 3rd Rock from the Sun

Well, I hope I don't jinx myself...............

Flew both heli's with their new one ways all day at the LA Fun Fly, and then on Sunday, and they are still spinning free like new!

I'm new at inverted hover, probably been focusing on it for the past 3 to 4 weeks. At the LA Fun Fly I got the Pro down to inches away from a cool blade scrape! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

I got a helicopter for my girlfriend,
It was a good trade!
09-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
wrx pilot
Heliman
Location: Etiwanda, CA, USA

Mine just locked up today.... one gallon.
09-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Is there any one out there that put a boca or a vxb bearing and still had a failure? That would be interesting to know

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
09-04-2007 Over year old.
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Caseyho04
Heliman
Location: Hongkong

I got my bearing locked up last Sunday, this is the 4th one that locked up. Around 60 flights.
09-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

I have few Torrington one ways on order. Has anybody tried these yet? FC-12

Member Bog Troll Club #1
09-04-2007 Over year old.
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Luis104
Senior Heliman
Location: Caracas / Venezuela

Quote 
I have few Torrington one ways on order. Has anybody tried these yet? FC-12

do you have a link to this one ways?

Girls and RC Helicopters are dangerous...!!! but we need them...!!!
09-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

No link. I'm going through my company supplier.

Member Bog Troll Club #1
09-04-2007 Over year old.
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hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

HERE YOU GO

Go to page 21 and read on. Loads of one way "clutch" info.

This is a metal caged bearing.

Member Bog Troll Club #1
09-04-2007 Over year old.
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jsheli
Heliman
Location: Uniontown, PA - USA

One week later (than my previous post) and about another gallon thru my 600n with the new HN6064 installed... All kinds of 3D and 30-40 smoooth autos with no sign of any tendency to lock up. So far, so good!
09-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
JMF
Senior Heliman
Location: Clinton

I starteed from scratch with a boca one way, Never used the oem bearing. I have 2 gallons now through my rex and she has been getting ripped around pretty good.http://www.bocabearings.com/main1.a...=11016&n=HF1216

this is the one I have been using. Just a dab of LC on it and let it set overnight.
09-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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