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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Audacity Wildcat 325XS
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Folks,

I'm taking the opportunity to show guys on RunRyder something before the rest of the world knows about it. We've been working on our "450 sized electric" for the nearly two years. To be frank, Align got the jump on us (and the rest of the market) and while we were eager to dive in, we didn't want to just offer you a "me too" mini electric model. Consequently, we've been making haste slowly in this arena in order to develop something to really be proud of. Frankly, I feel our engineering team has done a superb job with this project and after a lot of sweat, hustle, and midnight oil (people wonder why I'm up at 1 AM? Here's part of the reason!), we're finally at the point where I'm willing to show what we've got in order to solicit feedback before proceeding further. Largely because of the expense of the batteries in the 500 and 600 class models (and yes, a 500 is upcoming before summer) we continued to develop the 450-size before releasing a larger model (we're not convinced a 500-class is really a good idea yet so we'll watch and learn - but we "know" 450-size models are very popular because they're convenient. Anyway, we've been devoting a lot of our resources on this 450-size model . . . eyeball it and tell me if I'm on the right track please!

Packaged completely RTF in a nifty aluminum travel case for the introductory price of $400. No, I'm not certain this is the canopy I'll use, it's just that this one was already available very inexpensively and thus, it may still change




For what it's worth, after studying the market I pretty much decided on aluminum side frames after all because they're very light (carbon side frames are an option). In addition to this, we offer top notch aluminum components as the way we're going. So this model is the whole enchilada, i.e. a very nice aluminum high performance model, which is offered for a more than decent price. By the way, I'm still debating on using the Wildcat 325 moniker even though some are arguing in favor of using the Wildcat 450 name because that's what the market expects (because of the T-Rex 450). Are they right? The 325 will probably come with inepxensive wooden main rotor blades, of course. Looks pretty decent, eh? Here are the details.

The Wildcat's head assembly is very tight and precise. We're not really breaking any new ground here, we're even going to an up top flybar to reduce rolling moment. We're also using miniature o-rings for damping because it works. Frankly, at these reduced scales it's really hard to achieve a good flying model at the usual manufacturing tolerance. Furthermore, I've pretty much decided on blue for the anodizing because so many folks objected to black (my personal preference). In addition, while there was no real consensus on color, blue was acceptable to everybody.

First up is a close up image the Wildcat's head assembly. It looks familiar because it's very similar to other proven 450-class models.




The Wildcat's swashplate and servo mount scheme has detail worth noting as we're breaking some new ground for us. To be frank, we could have achieved far lower costs using direct frame mounts but this is better for us because it reduces tool time with carbon fiber frames (an option). At these miniature sizes, it really take very high levels of manufacturing precision to get the flight characteristics up to an acceptable level of performance. Furthermore, there is lots of very tough competiton in this market, so we though long and hard about even entering. Hence, in my view, we had to step it up a notch to succeed. Despite the name, our little Wildcat is really a sweetheart, and she flies great. She's built right too largely because we've been really trying hard with the details.

Eyeball the way we mounted the servos for the CCPM.




Speaking of dealing with small parts and the greater precison required, the tiny tail drive belt is used because it's tough, reliable, and works.

Tiny CNC aluminum counter pulley drives the tail.




In fact, we had to go to an idler pulley to maintain the correct tension - not for pilots like me, but for the 3D mavens who treat these miniatures like they were 90s. Note there's a bearing on the pitch fork as well. Despite being much smaller than our Pantera, in some ways the Wildcats becomes our flagship model becasue of the details. Furthermore, believe it or not, achieving fine control in these small models requires greater precision in manufacturing to achieve good flight characteristic. That's because any slight drift in tolerances exacerbates any imperfection in your control - it magnifies it in fact - with predictably poor flight as a result. Frankly, this is the case far more so than in a larger model. Anyway, please note we've sacrificed absolutely nothing whatsoever in performance in the model itself at the expense of cost.

Examine closely the Wildcat's tail rotor assembly because the more you look, the more you'll see!




We mounted the tail rotor servo on the tail boom to keep things simple.

Make gross adjustments of pitch control by sliding the servo itself to locate the linkage.




In electric models the mass of the battery is a serious consideration. We considered inverting the motor and then decided to mount it on the bottom instead. Furthermore, we're planing to include an inexpensive 3S-1600MaH 15C LiPo because we're aiming at a price point and a modest batetry really helps with costs. Nonetheless, while I fully expect experienced folks will upgrade some of the components to their preference, I think many will be perfectly happy with the model as supplied. Anyway, the modest battery works just fine for learning to hover and sport aerobatics and will subsequently work great in a foamy. What you'll really want for aggressive 3D flight is a 3S-2200mAh 25C unit, but the cost of these is not realistic in light of what we're trying to achieve as our delivered price. By the way, the included motor is a 3700KV outrunner with a 3.2mm shaft and a 13T pinion. The speed controll is 35A BEC equipped unit. I.e. it's the right stuff!

The motor, controller, and battery are included.




The CCPM servo mount design is now set in stone because we're done messing with things. Furthermore, you can see the split gear driven tail - it's been expressly designed for the insane amongst you so you can shoot aerobatic autos, though to be frank, at this size . . . shooting even an ordinary auto requires immense skill and timing because you only get one shot at it because there simply is no float to speak of at the bottom.

The servo layout is a departure from our norm. At this size and price point, innovation is key.




What do you get for $400? How about an all metal helicopter (carbon side frames are an option), which is really ready to fly. Yup, RTF, from Audacity means just charge it and fly! Included are 3700KV motor with 3.2mm shaft and 13T pinion, 35A BEC speed controller, 1600mAH 3S-1600mAH 15C LiPo (gotta cut corners somewhere) and even a handy 12V field charger! Add to that an el cheapo 2.4GHz 6-channel radio system equipped with micro servos (sorry, it's not compatible with anybody else's 2.4GHz system - we tried and were told to pound sand), as well as a piezo gyro (no, it's not heading hold, but at this price point, it's more than decent). All this and it's packaged in a really nice aluminum travel case, which is just a little bit shorter than the Align full size case and thus, packs aboard airline overhead bins more conveniently as a result.

So there you have it, a sneek peek at what we've been burning midnight oil on around here for the last year and a half. By the way, it offers excellent performance without expensive needing upgrades, i.e. caviar dreams . . . hamburger budget!

Regards,


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
07-29-2007 02:33 PM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

Looks good John! I'm interested to see more about this.

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Shane Eagan
Will work for heli fuel
07-29-2007 03:40 PM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

John!!

It looks very nice, sharp, and impressive. You can see the quality and the finish of the parts in the photos. Congratulations on the new born


I really like the approach you took for the design of the head. It looks a lot better that the head of my 450MX. What is going to be the max pitch for the heli?

I like the tail design and it looks very good too.

What Pinion Gear are you going to have?. What are the motors that you are going to recommend.

When can I have one.

I want it yesterday
07-29-2007 03:47 PM
 
 
tauscnc
Veteran
Location: IL : www.cuttingedgecnc.c om

Nice chopper John! Stupid name, sorry,

Cub reminds me of well, the piper cub, slow, antique and yellow. That name is just to well known with that airplane.

Reconsider the name since that will be the first thing people will have to say about the model...hey what are you flying

"a cub"

No

taus
07-29-2007 06:37 PM
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

I agree completely, Cub is kind of lame when taken in that context. Anyway, because of how she flies I kind of like Wildcat better. Good feedback.

Any comments on 325 vs. 450?


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
07-29-2007 07:52 PM
 
 
bsc
Heliman
Location: Villa Park, IL

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Cub reminds me of well, the piper cub, slow, antique and yellow. That name is just to well known with that airplane.

Yeah, sticking with the bear theme you could go with something a little meaner like the "Grizzly" or the "Kodiak".
07-29-2007 07:53 PM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

Names like
wildcat
cheetah
jaguar
leopard
or
firefox
07-29-2007 08:28 PM
 
 
cwright
Veteran
Location: Blossvale New York

Looks great John. When it comes out I will see about getting them in my LHS where I work to go along with the Pantera. We need a 450 size that we are able to get parts for. We have had great success with the Pantera so far so this would be a no brainer. Chuck
07-29-2007 08:57 PM
 
 
Colibri
Key Veteran
Location: The Netherlands

Very nice heli. What is the reason for the double bearing construction at the rear of the swashplate? Why did you not go for the standard ball link solution?

Edit:
Never mind. I got it. It doubles as the anti rotation for the swashplate.
07-29-2007 10:15 PM
 
 
slo_dave
Senior Heliman
Location: Kingsport, TN

I like going with the 325 in the name.
Too many 450 wanna be's out there.
325XS will make people think and look at "Oooh whats this" vs. "oh another 450"

Parts prices would have to be close to Aligns or it might be a hard sell.


Dave
07-30-2007 01:35 AM
 
 
jwhitacre
Veteran
Location: Creighton,PA- US

Thanks for the sneek preview! I have always admired your quest to produce a quality product instead of just pushing out crap to make a buck. I have seen your birds before and liked the quality but never owned one since I'm an electric pilot so this bird will change that! You can bet that I will be getting one of these when they hit the LHS shelf.

Depleting the world of parts, one crash at a time!!
07-30-2007 02:18 AM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

I like the name Wildcat 325XS
07-30-2007 02:27 AM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

Yeah, the name Cub has to go. I like the name Wildcat better.

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Shane Eagan
Will work for heli fuel
07-30-2007 04:29 AM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

It doesn't have to go Shane . . . it's already gone! This is one of the nice things about dealing with me directly, input is acted upon quickly.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
07-30-2007 04:59 AM
 
 
MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

There are some nice things on this heli, John. The tail case looks very nice, close to a vibe, one of the tightest, slop free, rigs I've seen.

I would say, don't be afraid of a little anodizing. Even if you want to go with something subtle like a dark titanium or gunmetal grey. We want to be able to see at a glance that it isn't cheap black plastic. Those are the things that make us grizzled and jaded vets smile.

I wouldn't sweat output stabilizers on a heli this size. I also wouldn't let it be seen in public without some 65MG's or JR285's. Point blank if you want us to believe it is the good stuff, put the good gear on it when you show it off. Stuff a good pilot will fly.

Don't know how compatible it is with a trex se. If things like mast, and boom are similar. You will get guys that will try your tail case and head. It would be nice to throw a spare boom or mainshaft (small mod is fine) on, instead of waiting for 'oem' parts.

If the head is wicked and well designed. I'd throw it on an airframe (se is plentiful) to change things up in an instant. You'll hook me and many others if we can mix and match and keep things fresh.

It'll sound petty, but make sure it has a gorgeous canopy. Sitting on a bench with 3 SE's with the new canopies you need to be just as classy. Modern lines please.

I'm not crazy about bell cranks and push pull on a design this small. Too easy to get extra slop, to much hassle to set up. If there was a direct linkage ccpm option I'd likely buy it instead. A 65MG or digital so grossly overpowers these little guys I'm fine with hooking up direct. My SE's get smacked down, when they go in things are dead simple and cheap to repair.

Looks like a very nice product. You have a serious pair to go head to head in this fairly mature space. There are definately some innovative touches on the heli that should stand you in good stead.

Good Luck,

Mike
07-30-2007 05:24 AM
 
 
CHARGE
Senior Heliman
Location: FUTURE PLANET EARTH

When will we be able to buy this wildcat 325xs and how much will the kit cost and what comes with it. winter flying season comming up I can't beleave its the end of July 07 already. Thanks for the heads up JB. looks good.one more thing John will there be any option on battery location?.Tom

A positive outlook is all that is required
07-30-2007 01:29 PM
 
 
lrogers
Key Veteran
Location: Mobile, Al

There are a lot of details that REALLY look nice. I think that you will have a winner there. At this point in developement, any idea what the street price might be or when it might be available to the general public? I like the Wildcat name, can't wait to the logo you come up with!

Larry Rogers - R/C Helicopter Pilot
07-30-2007 02:01 PM
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Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

John VERY nice dude!! Will you have one at IRCHA to try?

The tail is a work of art!!!

I have a GREAT source for anodizing, they did some work for me and its very nice. Philson.com ask for Paul Dicervo(sp)

See you at IRCHA!!!

Jeff


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
07-30-2007 02:23 PM
 
 
Billebob
Senior Heliman
Location: Tim-buck-2

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You see, the Pantera 50 rotor disk servos feature outrageously strong output shaft stabilizers, i.e. the CCPM servos are equipped with bearing and shafts, which keep the servo shaft from moving under load! This is more effective than the horrible mechanically complex kludge represented by push-pull linkages (as used on EVO and Raptor – especially Titanium which just added push-pull for collective and elevator). This is usually a high dollar helicopter feature folks!


Dude this is funny Who wrote this?

http://www.audacitymodels.com/ftopict-158.html

BB
07-30-2007 10:04 PM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

BB,

I still agree with this, but this is a prototype, as I mentioned. Also, for what it's worth, we've been playing with raising the CG, as I also explained. Anyway, I figured IRCHA was too important to not bring it along to show folks some of what we're working on . . . even if it's not ready for prime time yet! Sure, I could be all secretive and just spring things on folks, or I can be open and show what's up, i.e. solicit feedback and advice. Everybody knows my style is pretty open, and as a consequence, I learn lots - usually from folks a lot smarter than me. Hopefully I learn good things "before" I stub my toes . . . so have you got constructive thoughts and advice, or is it just "lets take some pot shots at John" day?


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
07-30-2007 10:25 PM
 
 
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