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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > x-cell gasser help
 
 
reefguy
Senior Heliman
Location: palmdale california

i have a x-cell gasser, with g23, the previous owner ran only two tanks, i am sure the engine is still totally broken-in, any help tips, on finishing off the break-in, should i use ozark trail or gas, oil mix. ratio, the g23 has the stock muffler and intake, where does the fuel pressure tap from the tank(which is hanging on bottomside) do these need a pressure tap? thanks for any help or advice..
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
SteveH
rrProfessor
Location: Texas

Reefguy,

I'll help with the fuel lines, but not with the breakin, as I'm not qualified to comment on that yet (haven't gotten mine broke in yet). There are two lines to the carb, one on the bottom, and the other is kind of on the top, near the primer bulb. The one near the primer bulb is a return line, the other is the line hooked to the clunk. The carb has a pump, and pressure regulator built in and that's why it has a return. This is also why you don't need pressure on the tank, just another line for a vent. Hope this helps on the fuel line issues.

SteveH

SteveH
Magnum Fuel
AMA76186
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
ddavison
Veteran
Location: Brownsville, Pennsylvania

I can't comment on the Ozark fuel, I have always used gas. I use AMOCO silver, or gold gas. I have used Belray,FHS,Yamalube, and have been using AMSOIL for over a year and have found it gives the best results. The mix I use with AMSOIL is 2oz to a gal. or 1:64. You can get it from Ron Lund. For better power, less noise, smoother running get the MinAir gasser muffler #4030. Try 1 1/4 on the high, 7/8 on the low needles. The low needle is very touchy, when you make adjustments just "lean" on the screwdriver, if you feel it move it might be too much. Lean it until the engine stumbles while coming off idle to speed, then richen until it quits stumbling and smoothly comes up from speed. Do full power verticle climbs and do the same with the top end it should not hesitate. If it boggs its too rich. Try for 1600/1700 on the head for now both in a hover and in forward flight. The gasser runs better,smoother under load and if you as used the the sound of glow machines the gasser sounds different when under load.

DaveDavison, Miniature Aircraft Field Rep. Spectra,Stratus,Furion, JR 12x 2,4
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

You should reframe from running camper fuel for at least the first gallon. Break it in on gasoline and Amsoil as Dave Davidson has stated.
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
reefguy
Senior Heliman
Location: palmdale california

gasser

thanks alot guys, for directed me the right way, since i know how criticaL break-in for engine is, i wanted to do it the right way, i do have amsoil, gas ready and also ozark ready, have not mixed it yet. but wanted to learn from the experienced ones, here...thanks.. too bad you guys are not near where i live(palmdale ca,) to get pointers from... too bad, thank you...
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
reefguy
Senior Heliman
Location: palmdale california

gasser

hey guys, question how many gallons of fuel does it take to break-in the engine, what should i do during break-in, meaning low hover, on the ground, etc... thanks...
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
imback
Senior Heliman
Location: las vegas, nevada

breakin

billme (bill meador) who is reputed to be the guru of gas helis stated in a run ryder thread:

2.5 ounces is 50:1....This is fine to use for the first gallon...Each pilot has his on way of breaking -in engines...I let mine idle for at least 8 ounces of fuel...I then run a tank on the ground, while running between idle, and the rotor speed I wish to run...Alternating between the two keeps the temp from being constant...After that tank, I bring it to a hover, while making sure everything is relatively smooth, and then keep it in forward flight, not letting it hover for long periods of time...After about 3 gallons, I'll do lite aerobatics if its not a scale machine

hope this helps.

just do it!
02-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
reefguy
Senior Heliman
Location: palmdale california

gasser

imback, and others that responded to my thread 'thank you', everyones advice is important and useful in determining the best avenue. got another question for you guys, today i ran about 6oz of regual gas/mix(89oct), just on idle, so this g23 has about 3 tank fuls, i understand i have several more to go, should i be seeing smoke from exhaust like glo engines, i do live 3000ft above see level, the carbs are still factory settings, started fine, idle fine, trimmed up on throttle abit, but not much, but still no smoke, i am using 2.5oz of amsoil to 1gl of 89oct. thanks...
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
SteveH
rrProfessor
Location: Texas

Smoke

Reefguy,

Even at 50:1 you will not see smoke. It's not like a glow engine. You can have it way too rich to the point of 4 stroking, and you won't see smoke. Hope this helps.

SteveH

SteveH
Magnum Fuel
AMA76186
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
ddavison
Veteran
Location: Brownsville, Pennsylvania

Some times when you first throttle up you will see a little but once it clears out you will not see any. One secret is to learn to read the plug. After you run several tanks through pull the plug if it is black/dark with sooty deposites it is too rich, clean and white too lean, I think a nice clean, tan/brownish is good.

DaveDavison, Miniature Aircraft Field Rep. Spectra,Stratus,Furion, JR 12x 2,4
02-10-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Propilot
Heliman
Location: Red Deer,Alberta,canada

x-cell gasser help

Hi guys...Just a little tip I haven;t seen posted . On the J R gasser you
have 2 vent lines coming down the inside of the frame, one vents the
tank and the other vents the carb and they have a sintered bronze fuel
tank clunk in each line to keep the dirt out. And the one from the carb
is always driping fuel , so I plumed it into the top of the fuel tank with a
Tatone stick a tube fitting(this fitting was purchased 25-30 years ago).
Works great!!

Wayne
02-11-2003 Over year old.
 
 
neo
Heliman
Location: Singapore

HI guy,

i just brought a second hand X-cell gasser.
there is a vent for overflow,
beside the other two lines to the carb, one on the bottom, and the other on the top, near the primer bulb. The one near the primer bulb is a return line, the other is the line hooked to the clunk.

my questions are:,
1) I would like to do some basic 3D, therefore when i do invented hovering, will the petrol leak through the vent for overflow?
2)Do i need to close the overflow vent using a stopped during flying?

Please advice. Thank you!

this is my first gas heli,got it for a good price.
I m flying Glow engine, not knowing anything about petrol engine.
would like to use it to carry country Flag, and bander.

Once again, thanks for any advices given.

Neo
NEVER SAY DIE
02-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
vulpi
Senior Heliman
Location: PARIS

Try to put a line on the overflow nipple then make a loop with the tubing and secure it near front landing skid .

This is the way i did mine ,there is always some gas trpped in the line and no leaking .
02-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
neo
Heliman
Location: Singapore

Thanks Vulpi,

it is a great solution. thanks!

Neo

NEVER SAY DIE
02-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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