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Aerobatic 3D Contest > RR TV at the Masters?
 
 
Rick
Senior Heliman
Location: ..

Just wondering if we will see RR coverage of the contest.
07-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
I3DM
rrProfessor
Location: Israel

apperantly not ??

Team pilot for Radix, Helidirect, Logictech, ThunderPower, Fromeco, Gaui
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07-23-2007 Over year old.
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Lorents
Elite Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

No, I didnt see anybody from RR over there.



What comes around goes around.
07-24-2007 Over year old.
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frebou
Key Veteran
Location: Montreal / Canada

Sad... rr quality is really great. It's not easy to make good heli movie!
07-24-2007 Over year old.
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pcmpete
Senior Heliman
Location: Palmdale California via Ireland

the organiser of the 3DM is trying to promote their own forum and the company that usually produces a DVD of the 3DM lost alot interest because the videos appeared on RRTV shortly after the event last year.

Pete B

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07-24-2007 Over year old.
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Ringo Ranger
Senior Heliman
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii...bye Vegas!

SINCE RR'S NOT THERE, WHAT HAPPEN NOW?

WHERE'S MOST OF THE VIDEOS AND PHOTOS?

NOT COOL!

NO IMPACT.

POOR COVERAGE.
07-28-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Thomashome
Veteran
Location: West Sussex UK

Very few Photos kickind around, guess people didn't want to get their cameras wet , there were a few videos on another site that someone took, as I am aware the 3DM people demanded theses were taken down and asked not to refer to the event as 3d Masters. As far I can see this is the only event that behaves in this was which is a real shame.
07-28-2007 Over year old.
 
 
rappy raptor
Heliman
Location: Chessington - Surrey

Photos found here

http://www.fapo.co.uk/photos/helis/...s2007/index.htm
07-28-2007 Over year old.
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dialarotor
Veteran
Location: Traverse City, Michigan

So much for globalization and free market competition. Let in all comers and they will have to work to distinguish themselves in the marketplace.

Carbon fiber paint stick maker
08-01-2007 Over year old.
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Jimmi
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Ca. U.S.A.

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Very few Photos kickind around, guess people didn't want to get their cameras wet , there were a few videos on another site that someone took, as I am aware the 3DM people demanded theses were taken down and asked not to refer to the event as 3d Masters. As far I can see this is the only event that behaves in this was which is a real shame.


That is a shame, I would of preferred to see some nice videos coming out of there. Pictures are ok, but theres nothing like seeing a video Sounds like they don't like being promoted and the tantrums are getting the best of them Loosen up guys Jimmi

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing
10-07-2007 12:53 PM
 
 
Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

Yeah it's a shame & I don't remember seeing Mark. Coverage of this years 3D Masters has been wanting.

Vegetable rights and Peace
10-13-2007 01:25 AM
 
 
Slipknoter
Senior Heliman
Location: London UK

I think theres videos on the 3DX website.
10-13-2007 10:41 AM
 
 
dialarotor
Veteran
Location: Traverse City, Michigan

Hope RR goes to 3DM in 2008

Face it Mark gave us this great WORLDWIDE site and it's too bad some vendor did some whining and now we all suffer with no good 3DM video coverage unless you buy the whiner's video. Both can exist, DVD's for purchase and nearly realtime clips for keeping up on what is going on.
Hope the 3DM management encourages RR to return to ole Blimey next year.

Carbon fiber paint stick maker
10-22-2007 12:35 AM
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Spacey
Senior Heliman
Location: Pretoria, South Africa

I'll bet it won't take more than 3 pilots to make the change. If 2 or 3 of the top dogs decide to simply call a no participation unless the whole video copyright thing is none existent in future I'm sure the rest of the gang will follow quite quickly. Without the pilots, the event won't be.

I've always had a bit of a theory that 3D competition does have alot of element relating to "Showing off" in some way or another, don't get me wrong I'm not at all saying this is a bad thing. Matter a fact I like it and I just reckon it's the nature of the beast which we call 3D heli flying. Without the world being able to watch the event as it happens or even properly afterwards then what's the point? The handfull of people present compared to the thousands and thousands all over the world with access to the internet?

I'm sure alot of the pilots are reading this, it won't be very hard to change things up in future IMHO.

Sorry for the organisers wanting to get a bit of a return on investment but I think this is not such a great issue judging by all the other money raisers at the event.

I sure hope they fix this minor problem next year.
10-22-2007 02:24 PM
 
 
FilmMaker
Heliman
Location: Spalding, Lincolnshire, UK

3D Masters Video

You last two gentlemen, I'm not sure what your problem is, but ALL the 3D Masters videos were published on the 3DX site within 3 weeks of the event.

:-)
10-28-2007 11:47 AM
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Spacey
Senior Heliman
Location: Pretoria, South Africa

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You last two gentlemen, I'm not sure what your problem is

After that I'm not sure why I'm even responding but ok. Obviously you have no clue what whos problem is no, there's no problem. Just a lot of us commenting on how much it sucks that the organisers of 3DM went the route they did. This year's 3DM was about the most untalked about event of the year online, when normally it's quite the opposite. And "3 weeks"?!? Let me rather shut up on that one. Obviously you also didn't follow any of the happenings on RR or anywhere else pertaining to this topic, this is not the only thread that commented on the matter just FYI. Also if memory serves the videos on the 3DX site didn't just magically appear, there were some tugs of war before that materialised also. I have most of the videos that was published on the 3DX site btw, but I still stand by my previous post regardless.
10-28-2007 07:53 PM
 
 
FilmMaker
Heliman
Location: Spalding, Lincolnshire, UK

I've tried to cut out the superfluous stuff in my reply. Also I'm really only able to comment on the film issues.

>> After that I'm not sure why I'm even responding but ok.<<
The choice is yours...


>> Obviously you have no clue what whos problem is no, there's no problem.<<
This makes no sense.


>> And "3 weeks"?!? Let me rather shut up on that one.<<
In fact they didn't all just appear suddenly after that time, they were published regularly starting just a few days after the event. All competitive flights were published and most of the demos, 151 flights in all. Go ahead and make direct comparisons if you like.



>>Obviously you also didn't follow any of the happenings on RR or anywhere else pertaining to this topic, this is not the only thread that commented on the matter just FYI.<<
Of course, I followed them all. Unfortunately many comments were misinformed.

>> Also if memory serves the videos on the 3DX site didn't just magically appear, there were some tugs of war before that materialised also.<<
Copyright law is clear, and that did not affect the publication of the official videos. Again, there was much ill informed comment.

Keep coming, this is quite fun.

:-)
10-28-2007 08:24 PM
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Spacey
Senior Heliman
Location: Pretoria, South Africa

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>> Obviously you have no clue what whos problem is no, there's no problem.<<
This makes no sense.
Ok which part of "there's no problem" was the confusing bit? You know "problems" are things like women and children being raped and killed for a cellphone or something even more trivial right here a couple of blocks from where I stay every day, those things are problems. Not some of us commenting on how much we think it sucks that copyright to any 3DM footage was put in place and thus nobody unless allocated folks was able to publish footage of the event. RR Tv is IMHO the best when it comes to covering heli videos, Mark has mastered this. Only reason some of us reckon it's a bummer Mark couldn't cover the event for us again.

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>> And "3 weeks"?!? Let me rather shut up on that one.<<
In fact they didn't all just appear suddenly after that time, they were published regularly starting just a few days after the event. All competitive flights were published and most of the demos, 151 flights in all. Go ahead and make direct comparisons if you like.
Why would I want to make more work for myself? You said it..."3 weeks". That's 2 and a half weeks to long for everything to be published in my views. No jabs at the folks who did get the videos online, I'm greatfull and I know personally how much work it takes to pull something like that off. I just think more could have been published sooner if more people was given the right to do so.

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>>Obviously you also didn't follow any of the happenings on RR or anywhere else pertaining to this topic, this is not the only thread that commented on the matter just FYI.<<
Of course, I followed them all. Unfortunately many comments were misinformed.
Ok fine, some being "misinformed" might have been the case. Regardless the copyright was still given to certain folks. And as everyone feared coverage and talk on the event was very damaged compared to previous years, finish and klaar. So the comments about it sucking that copyright was put in place were not all that misinformed then was it?

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Keep coming, this is quite fun.
Happy to entertain.
10-29-2007 08:00 AM
 
 
FilmMaker
Heliman
Location: Spalding, Lincolnshire, UK

Hello again

First of all, as you say, Mark's work is extremely good. But with no disrespect intended, he didn't publish any of the Experts or Sportsmans flights in 2006. For 2007 we wanted to ensure that all flights were published, and of course, on the 3dx website - that's only reasonable. And incidentally, that's another reason for the demise of the DVD, you can't get all the flights on one disk, even a double layer type.


Regarding copyright, trademark infringement, passing off, et al. You can't go and film a football match, or a Grand Prix, and you can't film 3d Masters either for commercial gain (in this hypothetical context gaining traffic by the use of unauthorised video). There always has been a specific clause that prohibits this, as with most events. As regards "more could have been published sooner if more people were given the right to do so", I would have been perfectly happy to see any alternative videos published on the 3DX site, with the 3DX URL on them. And anyone could have published any videos they wanted as long as they acknowledged by way of the 3dx URL where they came from. It is unfortunate the message was distorted in translation.

Notwithstanding the alleged effect on discussion, sometimes you do have to exercise your rights.

Mark, if you're reading this, now you know you've got to work out how to produce 150 videos in 3 days... :-)
10-29-2007 06:39 PM
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Jimmi
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Ca. U.S.A.

Filmaker I don't know why you even comment.
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keep them coming this is quite fun
This isn't a game, its a forum for answers.
Something your not doing, seem to be dodging the questions.
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Mark, if you're reading this, now you know you've got to work out how to produce 150 videos in 3 days... :-)
I'm sure mark would work it out in a day if he had too

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing
10-30-2007 12:47 AM
 
 
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