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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > We are in trouble now!
 
 
twahl
New Heliman
Location: Manassas, VA

Well that's certainly good news for the macaw, and I hope the owner will take a different view on free flight and wing clipping. They love to be free, but it almost always ends in tragedy of some sort.

For those worried about the heli, I would be quite suprised if it took any damage from the impact. A typical female B&G will be about 30 inches head to tail with a similar wing span, but only weighs about 900-1000 grams, or about 2 lbs. Doesn't mean the pilot was able to recover, but I doubt it would even break a blade if it left the bird with such relatively minor injuries.
06-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Aerospire
Senior Heliman
Location: Honolulu, HI

We all felt sorry for the bird.
06-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
wisebob
Senior Heliman
Location: US

here's the facts on what happened:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t351087p1/
06-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
MiniTitan
Heliman
Location: Lancashire - UK

Right now we know the birds alright can we find out what happened to the heli. I bet Align never did bird strike tests.


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We all felt sorry for the bird

If you mean the bird with the rotor disc thats true from my perspective. If I had been driving down the road and had hit the bird while in full control of my car would it be my fault? NO simple as.
06-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
rayson
Heliman
Location: Mililani, Hawaii

Bird Response

Yes! This is an AMA sanctioned flying field. It was approved by one of our former Mayor of Honolulu (Frank Fasi) who use to fly radio control
airplanes. The person who owned the T-REX is a good friend of ours.
In fact, he is one of the best 3D pilots here on Oahu. Aerospire (Bob)is also a very good friend of mine, notified the lady (Bird Owner) asked her if the birds were ok around rc-copters and she replied yes.
I know for a fact that I have come across her with her birds during times I was at the flying field flying my copters. I am just trying to pin point the facts on exactly what happened.

Rayson (Relax, don't let the knee shakes get you)
06-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
rayson
Heliman
Location: Mililani, Hawaii

What happened to the copter
Well, I just got through talking to my friend who's helicopter got hit by the bird. He was flying his T-Rex, after take-off, and out of no where, the bird flew into his helicopter. The damaged to his T-REx was
broken main blades, tail boom, and bent shaft. From what my freind described, it was like an ordinary crash.

Rayson (Relax, don't let the knee shakes get you)
06-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

Pet Birds and Model Flying Events...

I have a pair of smaller parrots and if the conditions are deemed to be "safe" will bring them out to R/C events.

In my earlier years of bird ownership and care, which spans 19 years this Sept, I fantasized about showing off my feathered friends to attendees of modeling gatherings. Other than worrying about environmental condition extremes, physical injury was most most prominent a factor to consider when being around either whirling rotors or spinning props.

The easiest first-line of defense of having a bird get itself into a bad situation is to be sure its wing feathers are trimmed as necessary to prevent sustained flight. And 95% of the time this is good enough as proven by "test flying" the trimmed bird. But guess what? The muscle energy produced when performing a simple test flight can be easily HALF of the energy available when fear or a shot of adrenalin is added to the bird's system. My amazon, Max, has the glide of a light brick in his current state of wing trim (he's also out of shape as he doesn't exercise his wing muscles at all) but just let him catch a glimpse of something he's mortally afraid of, a cat for example, and suddenly he's in "turbo/nitrous" mode and covering a bunch of ground. I had to rescue him from the roof of a neighbor's house after such an event. And to think he could jump and fly over to a spinning set of rotor blades under the right circumstance makes me nauseous at the idea.

The only solution, if I insist on bringing him with me, is to equip him with a small harness specially designed to safely prevent escapes and injury. It's not the perfect solution either as Max struggles to get the harness off, stressing himself and looking like Harry Houdini losing a bet. And if given enough time will manage to "pick the lock" and the harness opens up. Here's Max in the harness but without the matching leash -



I feel very sorry for the owner of the macaw and for the bird itself but don't these owners of free-flying parrots realize just how much more they're risking the wellbeing of their pets if allowed to do as they please? Sure, nothing is perfectly safe and just living has its risky side but we try to minimize risks that can do damage. A friend owns an amazingly cute, pretty and smart Sun conure. Leo (the bird) is completely free to fly outdoors with supervision. Leo has excellent "street smarts" of the air. He's managed to dodge hawks, from what I've been told. If the day comes where I hear that Leo is gone (fly away, death) due to this activity, an "I told you so" will be useless and far too late.

My birds mean more to me than my heli's and are also considered as my kids. They'd be the very first things to be pulled from the house in case of a fire or other life-threatening household emergency. Tools second, heli's next. I don't like hearing about pets (birds in particular) being injured and when I spotted this thread wasn't sure I wanted to follow it to the conclusion of the macaw's current health status. Glad to know there's hope for a recovery and will be watching this for more updates. That's all I have to say for now...


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

Shame, but IMO the bird owner should not let the bird fly free in a park where model aviation is in progress. Of course you should not fly a heli in a bird sancuary either....But in a regular open field no one owes anyone anything unless it was malicious.

If I have a midair with another plane, no one is at fault...Same deal here.
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jeffreydc
Senior Heliman
Location: sulphur, La

kangarooster,

That has to be the dumbest analogy I have ever heard! Dogs have the right to rome around as well...on a leash! You bring a bird to a FLYING field full of Helicopters and let it fly around and expect it NOT to be turned into Chopped McCaw Nuggets!!!!! Thats like letting your dog take a walk through a mine field and being shocked that fluffy got his little azz blown away! If I were the heli pilot I would sue the bird owner for damage to my Trex. Does she send her children out to play on the busy highway as well?
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RBlyden
Senior Heliman
Location: Pacific Northwest

AMA Field

This field is a AMA sanctioned field approved for RC model aircrafts, not birds. I'am sure the pilot did not intentionally hit the bird but accidents happen. Why anyone would allow a pet bird to fly freely around a field approved by the state for RC model aircrafts is beyond me. Out of all the fields and recreational parks in Hawaii (Oahu)go figure. Thats as dumb as flying a RC Plane on a busy commercial airport runway, not the smartiest choice to make. Lesson Learned!

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. HSH Club
06-06-2007 Over year old.
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kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

jefferydc,
I don't believe dogs have a right to play on the freeway.
Freeways are for cars and kids to play on.
Dogs can play in backyards.dog parks or in the country where they are away from hazards.

Birds should not fly at model flying fields,they are for big kids to play in.
The rest of the airspace is thiers(grandfathered in) to play in if they can do it without creating a hazard for other users.

I have not heard the bird owners version of the incident, but I tend to believe what the pilots say.

I think what the bird owner did was irresponsible.
I think the field safety officer was lax in crowd control.
I think the observer should have warned the pilot of the impending collision.
I think the pilot should have been practicing "see and avoid"

Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is allready made up.
(I will listen to rational comments.)
Ben
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
umdpru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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I think the observer should have warned the pilot of the impending collision.
I think the pilot should have been practicing "see and avoid"
I think the field safety officer was lax in crowd control.


These three statements are kind of ignorant.
It was stated by the pilot that:

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He was flying his T-Rex, after take-off, and out of no where, the bird flew into his helicopter.

There appears to have been no oppurtunity to do anything even if he were warned of the collision.

The pilot should have been practicing see and avoid?

When was the last time that you payed attention to any other heli flying around the one that you are CONCENTRATING on flying? I know i dont EVER fly with the mindset that I will "see and avoid" any obstacles in the air. The only obstacle i see and avoid is the ground!

The only person at fault here is the bird owner. They were asked if it was safe to fly a heli with the bird out. They were also asked if it was safe for the bird as a larger heli was going to fly.

The field safety officer isnt responsible for the owners pet, the owner is. Sure, the field safety officer has a responsibility for the overall safety of the pilots and guests at the field but ultimately it is the pet owners responsibility for their own pets. At my AMA field, dogs are not even allowed out of cars much less allowed to run around free.

If anything happens from this, it should be the owner of the bird footing the bill to fix the trex.

The owner was lucky it was a little 450SE rather than a 50 or 90 size machine.
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
bmw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Zurich U.S.A.

I'm a full scale pilot and have been for 20 years, I have hit around 15 birds and yes killed all of them! Did I do it on purpose NO! did I feel BAD? YES was it my fault I hit the birds? ----

Full scale airplanes hit and kill birds everyday. When you are air born thing happen FAST!!! I was almost hit by other aircrafts 3 times. If a aircraft hits another aircraft they call it pilot ERR!! When we hit a bird or other animal, like a deer I almost hit upon landing one night, it is call an incident.

This incident with the heli and the B&G is sad ----things like this do happen and are going to happen as the air get filled with more and more of man and his stuff that flies. The birds were in the air first NOT MAN.

I'm still going to fly, but I try REAL HARD to SEE AND AVOID!! that is what the FAA tell you to do, SEE AND AVOID!!!

Just my opinion

Runway? what runway??
06-06-2007 Over year old.
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umdpru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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I'm still going to fly, but I try REAL HARD to SEE AND AVOID!! that is what the FAA tell you to do, SEE AND AVOID!!!

ill have to grow another head so i can fly my heli and see and avoid all other flying objects...

The FAA may tell their pilots to see and avoid but its one thing to be sitting in an aircraft and standing on the ground controlling the aircraft from several hundred feet away.
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
borneobear
Senior Heliman
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

What? No picture? Blood? Gore?
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Louisiana Helicam
Veteran
Location: West Monroe, LA

My thoughts on this:

S*&t happens

Formerly Viperhawk
www.louisianahelicam.com
06-06-2007 Over year old.
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kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

So many angry people,so little time...

umdpru,
I am always aware of what is going on around when I am flying.
But then, I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Some people can't.

If a dog(or kid) was running free at the field ,would you stop operations until it was restrained?(answer yes or this conversation is finished)
Why should a pet bird be any different?

Ben
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
umdpru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

This particular pet bird IS DIFFERENT because the owner was specifically asked if it was safe for the bird to be flying AND the owner was asked if it was safe to be flying helicopters.

If a dog or a kid were running rampant on the field and the owner was not already asked if it were safe then yes, operations should cease or all a/c should be flown out of the way until the situation is rectified. But then again, that situation is different because a/c can be flown away from the dog or kid, they arent going to fly into an a/c.

As far as your comment about being aware of all things happening around you...

I too am aware of things happening around you. I seriously doubt that you can keep track of ALL things happening around you in an accurate manner so as to avoid any and all collisions and still manage to keep concentrated on your a/c flying. your comment about walking and chewing gum is ignorant and doesnt even come close to being a good analogy to flying remote a/c and keeping track of other remote a/c flying out of your direct viewing window.
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

bmw,

Years ago I had a pelican become my copilot in a 172.
Caused me to be more aware of my surroundings.
See and avoid
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
martinic
Veteran
Location: NB, Canada

See and avoid is pretty darned difficult with an R/C heli. A Mac Truck could drive in front of me while I'm flying and I woudn't see it - I'm that focused. An observer can give you a chance.
06-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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