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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > We are in trouble now!

MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: UK,Gravesend, Kent

Look on the bright side,

at least you have some decent feathers now for a good pillow

I bought mymother in law a chair for xmas, but she would not plug it in.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

kiwidave1
Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA

Up to the maximum building hight restriction, I think . I know that building owners in Seattle are selling the air space over their property so other property owners can maintain their views. Big $$

David

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

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Steve_JR
Veteran
Location: Gainesville, FL

How much do these types of birds cost? -Steve

well zap zap zippie ie ie zoooooo

06-05-2007 Over year old.

kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

Depends on where you are.$2000 more or less.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

joeycoates
Senior Heliman
Location: Dallas, Texas

If the helicopter was chasing the bird, pilots fault. If the bird and helicopter just met, nobodys fault. Unless the heli pilot was flying in an area that he was simply not supposed to be in (someone elses private property) then he had just as much of a right to the airspace as the bird did. If this had been a little tweety bird that he had hit would everyone be so upset about it? Just because someone had bought the Macaw, it is still a bird. The only difference is that someone paid money for it.

I have had several Cackatoo's and I have enjoyed having them, but if Bongo got out and either hit or was hit by an R/C helicopter then Bongo should have been paying more attention, or he should not have gone outside. The dummy has already had enough close calls outside that he should know better by now anyways...

The bird owner was crazy for letting a Macaw freeflight in Hawaii, it's not like the bird would not have ample beatiful places to fly off to and live happily ever after.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

MiniTitan
Heliman
Location: Lancashire - UK

I'm quite worried, is the heli OK?

06-05-2007 Over year old.

martinic
Veteran
Location: NB, Canada

It should be an interesting legal question. They're both property. One was under control of the owner, the other was under it's own control (not under control of the owner, operating autonomously). Both damaged? Which owner is entitled to damages?

If the bird owner lets the bird go free in the world, should he/she not reasonably expect that some harm may befall it? Conversely, could the pilot reasonably avoided the bird?

06-05-2007 Over year old.

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

I second what joeycoats said.. If the heli pilot intentionally tried to run down a bird he knew was in the area. (WTH?? would you risk your heli for) Then shame on him.. The fact that its a fancy, expensive, pet type bird has nothing to do with it.. If it was left free it was bound to become some sort of statistic anyway from one of the many things a bird in captivity has not experienced. Owner must of not had ceiling fans in the house for sure.

Sorry for the guys monetary and pet love loss but an accident is just that, an accident! We do not risk anything like losing our rights because some guys pet bird and a heli tried to occupy the same space at the same time..

Wait a minute you bird owners better be ware.. Soon you will have greater ristrictions placed on you about your birds they will have to be chained to thier cages because they get out and fly into expensive helicopters

Terrible news for the guy and sad day for him for sure.. It does nothing to affect my hobby.. Another post about the sky is falling

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, KBDD & Compass Model teams

06-05-2007 Over year old.

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Turk10mm
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, Tx USA

I never read anywhere in the poster's comment that they were upset with the heli pilot or blamed anyone.

From what I read, the owner just stated facts and is looking for support from their peers.

Relax guys.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

Quote
They're both property. One was under control of the owner, the other was under it's own control

right on!

Quote
I'm quite worried, is the heli OK?

yea the heli is also important was it ok?

however I do hope that the pilot was not chasing the bird. I do like animals.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

joeycoates
Senior Heliman
Location: Dallas, Texas

I think that the responcibility for avoidance has more to do with the bird then the heli pilot and I will tell you why. When we are flying a heli, how often do we take our eys off of it to look around for potential conflicts? The answer is we take our eyes off of it as little as possible because we are OUTSIDE of the heli and having to look at it and not as much what is around it in order to maintain control.

Now if we were IN the heli we would be looking out and about for possible conflicts. Anyone who actually fly's full scale will understand what I am talking about. Now not only was the bird IN the airframe but he was the airframe. He does not even have to THINK about flying, do you think about walking? Therefor he (or she

) can devote all of their energy to looking for obsticles or dangers.

Obviosly the bird probably had not been out a lot and was paying more attention to the beautiful Hawaaian veiw instead of the noisy flying thing with rapidly spinning blades. Or maybe the bird was just looking for a noisy mate, who knows. One way or the other it should be easier for the bird to avoid the helicopter then vice versa.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Ive had various birds of prey circle my field as i was flying. Once, after landing a big plank, a huge bird of prey of some type landed at the end of our fields runway and stared at the plane for a few then just took off and left. it was a pretty awesome sight.

maybe the macaw was curious about the heli and didnt try to avoid it as much as a wild bird may have?

i know at the field where i fly now the geese take off real quick when something takes to the air.

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

If a pet bird flys into a celing fan, will the mfgr of the fan be responsible ??. Deep pockets bring out the stangest ambulance chasers..

Support bacteria. They're the only culture some people have. !

06-05-2007 Over year old.

Mr Joshua
Heliman
Location: Princeton, NJ USA

At our club field (Monmouth Model Airplane Club, Freehold NJ) we have at least 4-5 hawks in the air looking for bunnies and the like at all times.

They rarely get closer than 50 yards, see the heli/plane and avoid the encounter entirely.

Same with bats at my house near dusk, only neater, they use radar and get reeeel close!

I live in the country.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

Dont get me wrong we have huge Raptors (LOL love the pun) flying around our field all the time.. Once noticed we have some dilligence to avoid contact with them.. But the first sighting is hardly ever forseen, it happens when the two cross paths in our very focused viewing window.. So far none have been hit as they seem to stay fairly far away.. But its that notice moment.. It could have easily been the McCaw's only viewing windows was at the time of contact. Fortunately for us its all speculation

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, KBDD & Compass Model teams

06-05-2007 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

Update:

"Well, we started climbing the mountain at first light this morning. About half way up the mountain my friend got a call that Toby was in the coconut tree in front of her house! We raced down that mountain as fast as we could and drove over there. Apparently at first light when we were driving to the mountain to search for her, she flew for home.

We have recovered Toby and rushed her to the vet. Toby has an amputated rear toe and a hole below her chest that goes completely through (you can see her liver). The Dr. started her on antibiotics and fluids and is waiting to repair and x-ray until early afternoon because he wants to strength her up first. She's very weak right now although she looks pretty alert so I take that as a good sign.

Apparently she was flying by and the helicopter went straight up very fast. It hit her from below, blades first. This helicopter wasn't a childs remote control toy, it was big and runs on either gasoline or AV fuel, I'm not sure which that one was. It's a miracle she even survived, let alone flew home. Last night I wasn't real hopeful, I thought there was no way she could have survived a collision with one of those helicopters. Maybe all the prayers helped....I like to think so. Thank you!!"

06-05-2007 Over year old.

kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

Stay tuned, the other side of the story will be posted soon.

06-05-2007 Over year old.

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

one lucky bird if that was a nitro or gas machine.. I know I wouldnt want to be slapped by one that was run up. I bet that bird goes absolutely bonkers the next time it hears the weed whacker fire up if it was a gasser hehe

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, KBDD & Compass Model teams

06-05-2007 Over year old.

HOMEPAGE

Mr Joshua
Heliman
Location: Princeton, NJ USA

I'm pullin for the Bird!

06-05-2007 Over year old.

Heli88
Key Veteran
Location: Clarkston, MI