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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Raptor 90 flying inside livingroom.
 
 
AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

I didn't say it was safe, nor did I say carrier operations were safe (they definitely have risks involved, considerably more than hovering a heli in the living room).

It's your jumping into someone elses space that I am having a problem with.

The actions in the video may be questionable but I don't think you're the one to do the questioning. Voice your opinion, fine, but no one left you in charge.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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It's your jumping into someone elses space that I am having a problem with. Voice your opinion, fine, but no one left you in charge.

Airwolf,
Did I track down the morons in the video and jump into their space? NO!
Did I say I was in charge of R/C helicopter safety? NO!

All I did was voice my oppinion. I called them F'n morons for doing what they did. Thats all. You are the one that jumped into my space and said that I would ban carrier operations.

So, how the F' did you deduce that I am jumping into someone elses space, or that I think I am in charge of safety? There is a reason men like you are on the carrier deck. You are disposable, your IQ and mentallity just proved it.
Doug
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

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There is a reason men like you are on the carrier deck. You are disposable, your IQ and mentallity just proved it.
You have made your position clear. And that's why I'm glad you're not defending this country.

BTW, have you considered that if it weren't for people like me, people like you wouldn't be able to flap your gums like you do ?
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

Airwolf,
See! We actually do agree... It was not a safe thing to do. It involved considerably more risk than flying an R/C heli in an open field.

I appologize for attacking your IQ and mentallity. You were arguing without a point and I had to say something to get you to step back and look at your argument. I did not mean it on a personal level.

For your service to our country, I sincerely thank you from the bottom of my heart. I appreciate every soldier that serves for us. I love the military and want the best for them. If I were drafted tomorrow, I would drop everything and serve with pride. You are absolutely correct, It is the men and women of the military that keep us free to flap our gums. So... THANK YOU!

We are on the same side. Friends?
Doug

If ever we meet face to face, I would like to buy you a beer!
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

My point was, and still is, if a person wants to engage in some activity and others are not unwillingly victimized by it, then they should be allowed to do so.

That is what this country was founded on . . . . isn't it ?

It's those that overtly try to tell others what what to believe in, how to act and what "norms" to live by that I have a problem with . . . . like (a major example) muslem extremesists for the past 1400 years.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

It's a stupid thing to do but we each take responsibility for our own actions. This includes the other people in the room ho had the choice to get out or remain.
I wonder if the pilot would be prepared to flip inverted and land the 90 on the ceiling That'd be cool.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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My point was, and still is, if a person wants to engage in some activity and others are not unwillingly victimized by it, then they should be allowed to do so.

Then you should have said that in the first place
I have absolutely no problem with people doing stupid things, so long as no one but the the people directly involved are affected. However, in this letigious society, a stunt like that could have resulted in endless law suites that would hurt the R/C heli industry and hobby. If the spectators weren't in the room, than I wouldn't have a problem with the stunt. But, the pilot was endangering them by having them there. Everyone in that room is still an F'n moron for being there.
Doug
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
xxl
Senior Heliman
Location: The planet Earth

dont mean to be mean but
the guy whos doing this needs a sign saying i and dum that way people will not relly on him and will not be killed if that raptor gose heywire in his house

this is the guys i stay away from a the feild
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

Hmm carrier operations you say... Well this is and apples and dog Sh!T comparison.. What is similar about taking a carrier deck filled with people are trained or being trained doing a job have to do with a room filled with idiots who for some reason cannot figure out that the biggest idiot is risking their well being..

Im was in the USN for 13 years.. Every op on the deck is performed with safety in mind with a whole bunch of like minded people who are about thier witts, in a well timed concert of operations. Each member is deck trained and the safety lines are clearly marked and you have been told and informed of where to be, how far to be, and what not to do so you dont get hurt.. Now still wanna play out this analogy

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05-24-2007 Over year old.
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csc
Senior Heliman
Location: Nampa, ID

There are always those that think they are special. This was truly an irresponsible, stupid and juvenile thing to do. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that alcohol was involved. I guess there are those that will think they're "cool" though. They did get their couple of minutes of fame on You-Tube. Fortunately, for the ones watching, nothing went wrong or it would have been a radically different video.

This is just the type of $hit that gives the heli community a bad name.

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05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

Everybody's got an opinion. There's at least a dozen serious things in everybody's life every day that can go wrong but dont. Take, for example, old people driving and having a heart attack and running down a pedestrian. YES, it happens, but rarely. Does that make me want to call all old drivers "irresponsible" ? ? NO. 40,000 to 50,000 people die in auto accidents every year in this country. Does that raise any alarms ? ? NO.

Do you go after those stats ? NO.

You'd rather bi*ch about helis in living rooms where nobody got hurt.

Why don't you spend your time and energy where it'll do some actual good ?

There's too much knee jerk reactions to suit my taste, I don't need to be here.
05-25-2007 Over year old.
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Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

Interesting that you brought up the car accident thingy. It's strange how most are so accepting of cars, travelling, and the extreme risks this includes. What the hell is wrong with everyone, with modern comms technology, the number of folk that need to travel could be reduced massively by working from home or some kind of local communal office facility. So many jobs nowdays involve sitting behind a PC so it follows that these people can be anywhere. By not travelling to work, they are wasting less time, less resources, reduced risk of accidents, better productivity, minimal incompatibility problems with fellow employees and generally a much better quality of life.
05-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

What knee jerk reaction, are you saying this is not clearly a stupid and dangerous idea? How is stating that obvious fact a "knee jerk" reaction? Now if you want a prime example of knee jerk reaction read your very own quotes..

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I don't think the reactions are excessive. Everyone in that room is in serious danger, for no other reason than a guy said the famous last words of idiots "watch this!". Even a nanosecond radio glitch could have caused serious damage, injury or even death. The bystanders may not have even realized just how much danger they were in. What if the radio went into fail safe? I just don't think it was a smart thing to do. You are in a very small minority, if you think that this was an acceptable risk. It was very foolish. If I were there, I would have left the room as soon as the engine was started.

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1stPlace,
Your kind of reaction is exactly what I'm talking about. You would be one of those that ban carrier operations if you could. I'm glad you can't.

Now see that is a prime example of a knee jerk reaction.. He does not agree with you. He states that it was dangerous and why it was dangerous, and that the pilot was an idiot.. All things that most people believe as well.. But you change that into he would ban carrier ops lol. That my friend is a knee jerk reaction, because he stated values and facts and you stated what you felt about someone you know nothing about. Sorta like you had nothing better to say or add to the discussion.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and KBDD teams
05-25-2007 Over year old.
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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There's too much knee jerk reactions to suit my taste, I don't need to be here.

Bye Bye
05-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
csc
Senior Heliman
Location: Nampa, ID

Airwolf, the fact that you are actually defending these guys says all I need to know about your judgment.

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05-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

After he takes off for a few secs, the smoke alarm starts beeping. If someone was faking it, I don't think they would of thought to include a fake smoke alarm.

Support bacteria. They're the only culture some people have. !
05-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

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Airwolf, the fact that you are actually defending these guys says all I need to know about your judgment.
The fact that you want to control others makes your motives questionable.

Your ignorance failed to see that I was defending his right of choice. Something you seem to want to deny others because you decided you don't like it.

Your brow beating is a waste of time with me. I have no interest in your view of my judgement. Your view and a buck might get me a cup of coffee.
05-25-2007 Over year old.
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AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

It's not that I look to go against everyone, I simply don't care for some of the group psychology that plays out.

For example, everyone (almost) says stainless is better and I say no.

And I can prove it.

Most everyone else says something like "well so and so said it's better and why else would the manufacturers advertise it ?".

If you want to be part of the herd, fine, but don't look for me in the pack.
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AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

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If you wish to post your opinion that's fine, if you want to create some "shock" value by going against the grain go for it.
Real cute Mike, the only "shock value I see here is you people trying to limit the free choice of others, where no one was hurt, no less.

What are you trying to say ?

That you can voice your "opinion" but I can't ? ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the last two wars this country has been in has been to protect the right of people to exercise their freedom of choice against those few individuals that would deny it.
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AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

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Did I ever say that?
Yes, I believe you did.
You are happy with what others say but not my responces. Others can keep commenting about the person in the video but I get your "urging" to shut up and go away (don't keep going on and on and on).

If you were adequately diligent, you would find that I am only answering comments by others. Not starting anything.

So why are you trying to put fault on me ? ?


If you want to be pro-active and pre-emptive, why don't you do shomething about a REAL problem like 40,000 to 50,000 death a year on American roads ? ?

Or do you just go after the easy ones that don't have any harm caused ?
05-25-2007 Over year old.
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