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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > How to straighten a bent main shaft in a Blade CP.
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Bent Main Shaft > How to straighten in a Blade CP Pro.
Note: This is intended as a supplement to the excellent work that has been done by Rob Moll at www.bladecprepair.com and SSG Scott at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494197. I credit both these guys with giving me the knowledge to be successful in this great hobby! If you have not read all the information at both of these sites, you should.

This method shows you how to straighten the main shaft in a Blade CP Pro, without the need to remove the main shaft and gear.

Symptoms
Signs of a bent main shaft range from any one, to multiple, of the following:
1. head wobble (although this is normally a bent main shaft),
2. loss of power,
3. helicopter seems difficult to control in a hover, moving around on its own.

Inspection
• Power up the helicopter and view the top of the rotor head.



• As the model is about to take off, the center of the screw on top of the head should form a small black round "hole" as seen in the picture above.

• I have also posted a video at (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAoahiFXXYA).

• If the top of your rotor does not look like this then either:
1. the main shaft is bent, or
2. something is not balanced (see the note at the bottom of this post for the fix).

Note: Trying to hover or fly with a bent main shaft, or an out-of-balance condition will cause significant difficulty in controlling the model.

Repair
• Remove the entire head assembly and swashplate assembly from the main shaft by following the removal directions at (http://bladecprepair.com/man_mr_swashplate.html).

• The following picture shows where the main shaft on the Blade CP Pro normally bends:


1. Disconnect the tail motor, and power on the transmitter.

2. Connect your flight battery.

3. Advance the throttle just enough to start turning the main shaft.

4. Using a permanent marker and light pressure, touch the top of the main shaft:


For a video of this step, visit (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vlx1dCZYEps).

5. Power down the helicopter and unplug the flight battery.

6. The main shaft will have a red line part way around the shaft:

This photo shows the red line on the right hand side of the shaft, and no mark on the left hand side of the shaft.

For a video showing the red line mark a little better, visit (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZX-dX0Sz7o).

7. Using a pair of pliers, gently bend the shaft away from the red line:

In this photo, the red mark is on the right hand side, so I am bending the shaft towards the left.

Note: do NOT try to get the shaft straight with the first bend. Use gentle pressure and multiple attempts to get the shaft straight.

8. Repeat steps 2 to 7 until the red line goes all the way around the main shaft:

This photo shows multiple attempts to bend the shaft straight, with the bottom line extending all the way around the shaft – indicating that the straightening is complete.

The lines will wipe off when completed, or if you need to make additional attempts.

The following video shows the completed repair, running at speed: (http://youtube.com/watch?v=16yR3kXOcVM). Note that you can also tell by the sound that the shaft is now straight.

9. Rebuild your helicopter by replacing the swashplate assembly and head assembly.

After completing any repair, I always rebalance my Blade CPP by following SSG Scott’s direction at: (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...chmentid=812465).
05-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

Well said and nicely illustrated. Great job and thanks!



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.....I need more batteries!!!
05-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

great help very informative I have one suggestion though when spinning the heli up to check main shaft I take the main blades off so blade balance and tracking are not an issue and look at the head screw.
05-23-2007 Over year old.
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LiL'D
Heliman
Location: Santa Clara, UT USA

You cant just spend 7 bucks on a new one, or not crash?
05-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

I'm hoping that was a joke!!

PerformancePlusRC field rep
TT Mini Titan/MTSE
TT E550
HBK2
Futaba FASST
05-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

he said not crashhahahahahahahahaha

not to mention when you get them in the mail they end up a little bent to start with.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

How bout if you crash on sat a 6 pm and the LHS is closed till Mon.I'm not waiting till mon, the weekend is flying time,I'm unbending that thing and back in the air!!

PerformancePlusRC field rep
TT Mini Titan/MTSE
TT E550
HBK2
Futaba FASST
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

did that once didn't even take it off of the heli pinched it and forced it back straight enough to fly till I could get another one. I made up my mind when I bought this thing I was gonna learn to fly it if it killed the heli.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

tryan02:

re: I have one suggestion though when spinning the heli up to check main shaft I take the main blades off so blade balance and tracking are not an issue and look at the head screw.

I agree that to confirm that the main shaft is bent, you need to take off the main rotor blades - in fact the entire head should be removed, since there can be problems with the paddles, flybar etc.

However, if you started with everything balanced and tracked and just want to quickly check to see if a mild blade strike caused the main shaft to bend, then just run the head speed up and see if there is any wobble.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
wormyalon
Heliman
Location: Ann Arbor MI, US

Not too long ago I remember reading about an alternative method to straightening a main shaft but never got around to trying it. You take a piece of scrap wood and drill a hole of slightly smaller diameter than the main shaft, then you chuck the shaft in the drill and drill the thing into the hole, spinning it around inside the very tight hole thus straightening it.

Has anyone actually tried this? I'm curious, if it actually worked it would be alot quicker than hand straightening, seems to take me forever to get one just right. Just sounds too easy to be true.

[edit: oops, forgot this only works on a honeybee or an upgraded century mainshaft, sorry]
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

heres another suggestion Ive used before. A v-notched vice

05-24-2007 Over year old.
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tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

I have tried the wood block method with flybars of various thicknesses, and found that I could not make it work.

I think the reason is that to bend steel to a certain point, you actually have to overbend and let the steel spring back to where you want it to be.

tryan02: were you successful the v-notch vice?
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
bbeverlie
Key Veteran
Location: Hudson,New Hampshire.USA

tryan02, Do you have a link to that little hobby vise?

AMA#846952
05-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Sorry, I could spend days looking for that link just look for drill press vices. Read the description they will tell you if they have grooves for holding round stock.

they go for around $20 good for spindles also and its a vice for whatever. I dont have this exact model But I can attest they will get you back in the air on a sunday afternoon when everything is closed.
05-24-2007 Over year old.
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irush
Senior Heliman
Location: Greensboro, NC

What I have done is that I bought a main frame and bearings and used that as a heli simulator and I have spun the main shaft by hand and then would straighten the shaft with small corrections each time. work good simple and takes only a few minutes.

flying is simple, electronics is hard
05-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Gino CP
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

Eisenhard Shaft Straightening Tool

It is so easy to use. It even showed how bent my best DIY effort was. Amazing tool. Features I like: shows how much runout you've got and a precise way of bending once you get the hang of it. It also holds the shaft exactly as a frame would so you don't put bends in an otherwise good portion of the main shaft.

eisenhard ( at ) mchsi ( dot ) com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKLy_8DAdQE

Turn on a dime. Flip like a quarter. Feel like a million bucks.
05-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

Gino:

Thanks - I saw the original post for this tool. The tool is also available on E-Bay at
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Main-Shaft-Stra...1QQcmdZViewItem)

What I like about the tool is, when properly used, it should:
1. clearly show the side of the shaft that needs to be bent
2. securely hold the shaft in "helicopter position"
3. control the amount of "overbend" applied to the shaft (1/2 turn beyond straight...)

Based on your feedback, I may invest in one myself (I did not see any concrete results in the original topic).

Again, thanks for the video evidence!
05-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Gino CP
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

You are correct on all points. I just love the precision. I never got my shafts bent this good with my best dual wrench and drill chuck method. And consider too that this is a quickie job I did so I can quickly shoot a video. It can be trued some more. Very nice indeed.

Right now, the small vibrations that are visible through the skids are gone. My tail vibration due to gyro reaction is also gone. I say it has paid for itself right now giving me such peace of mind that I can straighten in the future.

It's a pity I didn't shoot the actual straightening. I'll do so next time. Hopefull after a long while :-).

Turn on a dime. Flip like a quarter. Feel like a million bucks.
05-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
fanofopera
New Heliman
Location: houston,tx

Is there anybody who got Eisenhard tool recently?

Hello,I've a lot of help from here.
When I tried to contact eisenhard@mchsi.com there was no answer.
Seems like he is not available anymore.
Is there anybody who got this wonderful tool recently?
I really want to get it.
12-06-2007 01:04 PM
 
 
wxyz
Senior Heliman
Location: calif*, U know where

All these theories for straightening shafts R amusing. The best is drilling a hole in a board & spinning the shaft in it with a drill. "Gets it remarkably straight". There's also the magic pen. Just spool up the motor and a "lightly touching" pen marks exactly the fraction of a degree which the bend faces. And forget about seeing a video that isn't pitch black & constantly moving so U can't see if the shaft is still bent.

The good news is Chinese won't need any mortgage bailouts with the amount of money they're making on new shafts.
03-03-2008 10:31 PM
 
 
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