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Compass Knight 50 > Align head on a 3D?
 
 
houstonrevo
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

I have heard a lot of good things about the Align head on a Raptor. I am thinking about doing the same thing for the 3D for +/- 14 deg of collective and quick cyclic. Do you guys think it is worth while?
04-30-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jaxrotor
Key Veteran
Location: Jacksonville FL

I personally dont see the need. The cyclics are quick enough and I am getting +-12.5 to 13 for pitch.What would be the point?
04-30-2007 Over year old.
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beavis1
Veteran
Location: New York state

Yea

With a fast set of blades like the rotortech 610 blades it is lightning quick. I dont see any reason to change the head ?

I only run 10 deg and high head speed and she pops great !!

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05-01-2007 Over year old.
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ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

I can get +/- 14-15* out of my stock Knight 3D head, but what's the point in running that much. The blades will stall before you can benefit from it. I run with +/- 12.5 and 8-8.5 on the cyclics and my Knight 3D is plenty quick. I can get all the "pop" I want or need with this setup.

Gary
RJX of USA
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05-01-2007 Over year old.
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J3DI
Veteran
Location: Oswestry (52.865648N 3.033982W)

ez2bgman: Do you have your head setup as per the manual? I've got +/- 12 with about 7 degrees cyclic and the washout arms bind on the swashplate with full collective/cyclic. I've left it as is and just careful not to max both sticks at the same time! This is with the modded phase block.

Dan

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05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

Dan,

My 3D is from the 1st batch to hit the US. It came without the raised edges on the phasing ring. I actually had to dial out some aileron because I was getting almost 10*. I can easily run 8.5 of cyclic and 12 of collective w/o any binding. It is close, but nothing binds. And I seriously doubt that it would happen in the air. I am never at the extremes at the same time on both sticks.

Gary
RJX of USA
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SwitchGlo
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05-01-2007 Over year old.
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J3DI
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Location: Oswestry (52.865648N 3.033982W)

Yeah, i meant i have turned the phase block down in the lathe to remove the raised bits. I'll have a play with the setup to see if i can get it any better, thanks.

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05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
SteveH
rrProfessor
Location: Texas

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I have heard a lot of good things about the Align head on a Raptor

IMHO, almost any other head would improve a Raptor. Why do you think you see everyone going to aftermarket heads on the Raptors? Should tell you something.

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I've got +/- 12 with about 7 degrees cyclic and the washout arms bind on the swashplate with full collective/cyclic.

Dan, I noticed the same problem when I was first setting up my Knight Pro, but figured out all you have to do is shorten the links from the washout arms to the flybar input arms to solve the problem.

SteveH
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05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
J3DI
Veteran
Location: Oswestry (52.865648N 3.033982W)

Thanks Steve, i'll try that.

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05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
TonyTypeS
Key Veteran
Location: New Orleans, LA

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ez2bgman: Do you have your head setup as per the manual? I've got +/- 12 with about 7 degrees cyclic and the washout arms bind on the swash plate with full collective/cyclic. I've left it as is and just careful not to max both sticks at the same time! This is with the modded phase block.

I notice the same thing. Even if I try not to go full collective with full cyclic I know at some point I will just do that. I thought I was the only one with that problem since I installed thicker rocket city ball links in the head. I need to try what Steve did

Gary
Running 8.5 deg on the cyclics and you will see that the flybar control arms hit the blue flybar thingy. If you don't believe me you should see mines Lol
I put back on the stock knight main grips and I can not get past 11 degrees on the collective. I know I can get 12 degs, but the mixing arms will not be parallel to the guide holes on the frame. Meaning if I try to lower the swash and readjust the links the geometry will be off. Probably won't have any problems doing that but too much time consuming for me since I have to study for finals Lol I had the Kasama grips on it before and was easily getting 12.5 with no prob. Reason I'm taking it off is because I'm getting this dam wobble when doing fast tic tocs. Could be because of the kasama grips so I want to try the stock grips since I didn't get that problem before.

I want to put the whole kasama head on my Knight! Being able to have 13 degrees on the collective with 9 deg on the cyclics and you will have a BEAST! Thats probably why I miss my Zero G raptor/ kasama setup.

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05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
J3DI
Veteran
Location: Oswestry (52.865648N 3.033982W)

Tony,
Yeah you certainly get used to the throws with the Kasama head!

If i adjust the links between the washout and flybar to prevent it binding with the swashplate then at zero degrees the washout will no longer be horizontal. Will this be a problem?


Edit: What we need is a swashplate like the Vibe 90. Would try one but they're a bit pricey.

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05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
SteveH
rrProfessor
Location: Texas

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If i adjust the links between the washout and flybar to prevent it binding with the swashplate then at zero degrees the washout will no longer be horizontal. Will this be a problem?

Hasn't been a problem for me...been flying my Knights setup like that since I got'em.

SteveH
Magnum Fuel
AMA76186
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

I just got done checking out the pitch on my Knight 3D. I have exactly +/- 12 on collective and exactly +/- 8 on cyclics. I then went full negative and positive and put the right stick in the corners. There was absolutely no binding anywhere. I also checked maximum pitch and I can get +/- 15 on collective.

Gary
RJX of USA
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SwitchGlo
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05-02-2007 Over year old.
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TonyTypeS
Key Veteran
Location: New Orleans, LA

It must be my setup! I'm going to redo all my links back to factory settings. Gary I may need to borrow your calipers since my ruler might be off. If you can get 15 degrees on collective with out binding I should be able to get the same

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Avant FX
Fueled by addiction
05-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

Let me know when you need them. You can stop by after I get off from work tonight and grab them. I will be working a a detail tomorrow morning and then my regular shift in the evening. Tonight may be your only chance to get them before Mayday.

Gary
RJX of USA
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05-03-2007 Over year old.
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J3DI
Veteran
Location: Oswestry (52.865648N 3.033982W)

It would be very helpful if you could post the length of the links chaps when you can, i need a setup like Gary's too

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05-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

My setup is exactly per the manual with the execption of the long links from the swash plate to the mixing arms. I adjusted those to get 0 pitch at midstick. I did nothing extra. I do have the better phase ring w/o the raised edges on it.

Gary
RJX of USA
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05-03-2007 Over year old.
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J3DI
Veteran
Location: Oswestry (52.865648N 3.033982W)

Do your mixer arms have the 2 degree offset as per the manual at 0 degrees?

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05-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

Yes. As I stated, it is set up exactly as the manual instructs you to. I did not do anything special to any of the links except adjust the long links for 0 pitch at midstick.

Gary
RJX of USA
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05-04-2007 Over year old.
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GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

Gary,

Can you measure the width of the phase block? Since you have the v1 phase block I need to know how much material to remove from my next one.
05-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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