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Computer Flight Simulators > Reflex vs. Phoenix
 
 
buster1
Senior Heliman
Location: Manhattan, NY

guys, I have been using the reflex for some time and enjoy its realistic characteristics,
I have seen the Phoenix ads. - I like the looks of the graphics and all the helis. available.
Has anyone flown both simulators who is very 3D capable and is it worth it to pick up a phoenix.
Thanks,
Jeff
04-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

I have both (reflex 5.04-iVol and phoenix last beta) and mainly use Reflex. Is the first I used and the one I played more with it's parameters and maybe for that reason I like it more.

* If you want just to practice, either one will be good. If you have reflex yet, it does not make sense to buy another one unless you want to try another one and compare yourself (I did it)

* If you want to play multiplayer... for now Phoenix is still in beta testing, but seems to run good. In reflex it seems to be planned for summer, but nothing for now, so if it's wat you want, phoenix or Realfligt G3 are your options.

* If you want to make your own models (and sceneries) your only option is what you alredy have: reflex. Check my recent review of iVol if you want to know a little more about the last version and the new optional controller.

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
buster1
Senior Heliman
Location: Manhattan, NY

reflex

What does the latest reflex version offer - how can I get the upgrade.
Thanks,
Jeff
04-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

See my last post about it.
Basically support for the new hardware (iVol + new slimstick), some new models and sceneries and a much better performance (better use of cpu/graphics card).
To upgrade you must get the upgrade (slimstick interface or iVol) in their web and send the old interface. If you want to try the new iVol and still be able to use your regular transmitter (connected to iVol) you must purchase the adaptor cable too.

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
nheather
Veteran
Location: Horsham, West Sussex, UK

@buster1

I already had XTR 5.03 when considered the same question a few months back.

My main reasons for considering Phoenix were

(i) It was getting great reviews here
(ii) My Reflex had hit a dead end (update wise) unless I was prepared to spend around 60GBP (120USD) to upgrade to the slimstick interface (cost = return original to germany + pay for upgrade + postage back from germany).

I figured the best way to decide which I liked best was to buy Phoenix and try both in the comfort of my own home. I would then sell whichever I liked the least.

I must admit there wasn't much to choose between them. I prefer Phoenix as it's view of the aircraft flying is more like what I see in real life. I thought that XTR had slightly better graphics.

But either is good - not much to choose between them.

In the end I went for Phoenix because

(a) I was able to sell my XTR for about the purchase price of Phoenix so it didn't cost me much.
(b) My XTR could not be updated any further unless I bought a SlimStick for 60GBP.

Don't regret my decision.

Cheers,

Nigel
04-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

I paid 16,5 Euro for shipping (Germany-Spain) of iVol (I guess slimstick + CD + cable would cost less. I don't know the costs of shipping to USA, but 120$ seems abit on the high side including slimstick and shipping two ways. There's a distributor for Reflex in USA, so maybe there's no need to send to Germany.

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
nheather
Veteran
Location: Horsham, West Sussex, UK

Okay Pelos,

Here the maths

Postage from UK to Germany (AirSure) - 13 euro

Cost of upgrade - 49 euro

Return postage (charged by reflex) - 16.50 euro

TOTAL = 78.50 euros

This is about 53 GBP using the spot currency exchange rate.

My credit card will use a less favourable exchange rate so I would be charged around 55 GBP.

Cheers,

Nigel
04-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
cub2000
Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Reflex does not give a crap about users' opinion or questions. They don't repspect the customers. Phoenix replies to emails almost instantly. For that sole reason, I ditched Reflex for Phoenix. I sold Reflex for cheap and bought Phoenix although I really liked Reflex.
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DDwaneR
Heliman
Location: Huntington, WV-USA

Let the Reflex, Phoneix DEMO for your computer decide

Let the Reflex, Phoenix DEMO's for your computer decide. The reviews may or may NOT be the best way to decide what sim is the best, who know's the sim companies may be doing the posting. The ONE and MAIN thing that I use for choosing to let go of a hundred or MORE dollars for a sim or "SOFTWARE" is what it all boils down to, "Try the DEMO of the SIM"!!!! or software. OK if the choices do NOT have a DEMO then.... "IT' NOT a good choice" (Unless you want to buy pictures with a blind fold on!). Most GOOD SOFTWARE have Demo's or Trial periods for testing.
04-23-2007 Over year old.
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nheather
Veteran
Location: Horsham, West Sussex, UK

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Let the Reflex, Phoneix DEMO for your computer decide

The DEMOs are fine for showing you what it will look like and whether your computer will cope but they do very little in the way of informing you how well the simulator handles.

The best way is to try both for real. If you already have Reflex then buying Phoenix is quite cost effective.

This is what I did

I bought Phoenix for £80 and tried it for a couple of weeks alongside my XTR. In the end I went with Phoenix and sold XTR for £70. If I had decided to keep XTR then I reckon I would have got £70 for Phoenix as well. So it only cost £10 for me to decide for myself.

I doubt it would have worked so well the other way round. Being new Phoenix is still holding its price very well but there are a lot of 2nd XTRs on the market so a new purchase for £130 would only sell for £70 used.

Cheers,

Nigel
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DDwaneR
Heliman
Location: Huntington, WV-USA

Don't know of

FMS is the only Sim I know of that has a TRY for Real Demo and its the full version.
Once Again.....
PAY NOTHING!!!!! Let the "Free" DEMO prove the SIM!!!
LEMME try that, ONE, MORE, TIME. Pay Nothing Let the Demo prove the SIM.
Buyer Beware and Buyer GETS STUCK is not a problem then!!!

A Sim with NO demo is NOT a good Choice!!! Buyer Beware!!!
04-23-2007 Over year old.
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Barney
Key Veteran
Location: Inverness Scotland

DDwaneR

FMS!

The top three Sims G3.5/reflex/Phoenix are in a different league to FMS...don't even think about comparing it. Whilst FMS is an excellent freebee It's not in the running.

Free Demo's...
Thats very well offering a full trial piece of software but potentially that leaves these companies more likely to have there programs hacked.

Heres my Take on whats on offer. G3.5/reflex/Phoenix

All these Sims are dependant on running suitable hardware. To get the best out of any of them you really need to be looking at the high end of the recommended equipment.

All The demo's I've downloaded online are of lower quality than the actual product in practice. I've had both G3.5/Phoenix back to back and used Reflex on a friends machine for some time. None are perfect.

My opinion

G3.5 offers a large amount of training options. In particuliar the Orientation trainer is an extremely good teaching aid. Initial outlay is high but you get a very usable Tx, but also have the option of connecting through it to use your own Tx. Online Multi-player makes practice fun. Lots of rendered fields so you can ride shotgun etc Obsticle courses etc. A lot of these options whilst Fun are a bit Gimiky. I could never get really comfortable with any of the camera settings though. OH! and I tried them all I can assure you.

Reflex Graphically is very nice but getting models to fly as they should is time consuming otherwise its a good Sim though. Support is ER! Intermittent at best . IMHO I'm not sure they have gone the right direction with there latest offerings.

For my money Phoenix offers the best compromise..Crisp Clean Graphics, good flight Dynamics, easily adjusted with a very intuitive user interface, currently there is beta versions out of Online Multiplayer which are getting very good now. It's a young developing program with good support. I find it more immersive than the other two in use. It does lack a some of the bells & whistles of G3.5. but Phoenix does contains the essentials and has a few nice touches the others lack.

Phoenix is not perfect either, but then neither are the other two. It's the pleasantly immesive effect that I enjoy so much..It's almost like being at the field.

BTW I pay fully for ALL my equipment and am not connected or sponsered by anyone except my own Visa card.
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
nheather
Veteran
Location: Horsham, West Sussex, UK

@DDwaneR

You are right about demos. I tried the FMS demo and within a really short time decided that it did not simulate real life to an acceptable level for me.

So I bought Reflex XTR and more recently exchanged this for Phoenix.

I still have FMS and a decent PIC-based interface for it. The idea is that my son uses it as I think FMS is very good for teaching orientation because the aircraft are fly so easy and stable - my son can concentrate on learning basic stick movements and orientation and not be distracted by more complex physics.

Cheers,

Nigel
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DDwaneR
Heliman
Location: Huntington, WV-USA

Cant tell you about Phoenix

Cant tell you about Phoenix, I can't get even a DEMO to try so it has NO chance at all to get at my VISA card. FMS has all the sims beat for price and its a FINE learning aid, and its true you DON'T need a $5000 PC running triple processors to use it. I think all the sims are in the running, all are different prices and have different bells and whistles for the price they want. As far as Phoenix being at the level of Reflex and G3,,, couldn't tell ya, I can't get a demo to try (it IS about the same price)! I take no ones WORD... let em show me (er.. US...).
Its easy, all they have to do is produce a DEMO so potential buyers can try their product... without the Demo, it like buying a used car from a picture ADD from a company you know NOTHING about.
04-23-2007 Over year old.
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Adey_Law
Senior Heliman
Location: Bournemouth, UK

DDwaneR

non of the major sims supply a fully working demo. its just not practical from a licence protection point of view. Ask your LHS about phoenix. if they dont know about it get them to contact hobbico. A good LHS will have phoenix on a computer for you to try before you buy.

having said that hobbico are doing a very bad job imo.

Ade
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Barney
Key Veteran
Location: Inverness Scotland

DDwaneR

I'll be really blunt about this Dwane since you keep SHOUTING

you don't have to listen any of us...

A good Simulators will SAVE $100's if not $1000's over a very short period of time. Presently the 3 main players are listed above. I have added my preference and reasons. I/We have already experienced first hand FMS etc. These three knock spots of the competition.

Fully workable demo's are unfortunately just not an option. If you are unsure I suggest you take Ade's advice and visit, borrow, go find someone who has the software installed.

I pretty much guarantee you will not be disapointed in what you try providing it has been set up correctly on a reasonable PC.
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
RCfan
Key Veteran
Location: Longwood, FL USA

Just my opinion:

04-23-2007 Over year old.
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Adey_Law
Senior Heliman
Location: Bournemouth, UK

nice chart RCfan. not sure i aggree with some of those figures but the total and average tell the story.

Ade
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
DDwaneR
Heliman
Location: Huntington, WV-USA

Yeh the chart is also missing some compares...

There is several compare points on the chart that are missing that would cause Phoenix to rate a 0 and cause it to NOT LOOK SO GOOD (Both G3 and Reflex have Demo's for comparison, Phoenix would get a 0 there). FMS can save a new pilot lots of money in crash damage and it will work with a PCM transmitter (with SmartPropo Plus)(I would say Phoenix would get a 0 on PCM transmitter input usage (may ONLY be FMS would score on that one (works with my 7C in PCM mode)). Runs on lower speed machines ????

Why did Reflex get a 1 on custom Scenes. Reflex may be the ONLY sim with a full scenery creator (available from Reflex and can be Free of Charge).
04-23-2007 Over year old.
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nheather
Veteran
Location: Horsham, West Sussex, UK

How about another category

"DDwaneR has a financial interest"

G3.5 - 0
XTR - 0
Phoenix - 0
FMS - 5

Cheers,

Nigel
04-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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