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Tools and Field Equipment > NEW Sullivan 6mm Starter Extension Shaft

laddy
Senior Heliman
Location: Midland Texas

I got one from Tower last week. It is not the net one that rstacy has. I thought it would be but i guess they still have NOS.
I had to heat it up with small touch to loosen the Green Loctite that they use one it.
With that said, warm it up and it will loosen. Work it back and forth and be patient. Then clean the Loctite off and put some anti-size on it.

07-12-2007 04:17 AM

DWS6
Veteran
Location: Newark,DE

how can you tell the difference?

NOS?

I thought about the heat but I shouldn't have to do that to something that is advertised to be taken apart without tools.

Dave
R90 / Vibe 50 / T-Rex SE / T-Rex 600N

07-12-2007 04:22 AM

laddy
Senior Heliman
Location: Midland Texas

NOS + new old stock.
If yours has flats for a wrench, like mine i think this is old ones. Look at there web site and see if yours looks it at the front.
http://www.sullivanproducts.com/

07-12-2007 05:48 AM

PietervA
Veteran
Location: New Zealand

Laddy, how far did you have to heat the hub? I've had mine in the oven at 100C, to no avail. Any hotter, and I'll start spoiling the red finish.

07-12-2007 11:32 AM

laddy
Senior Heliman
Location: Midland Texas

I just heated up the top part with a little torch. Be careful not to burn the O Ring. You will smell the Loctite melt.

07-12-2007 07:25 PM

xcell1600
Heliman
Location: Bensenville, IL

I had the same problem. When I tried to separate the two pieces are damaged the finish.

I called Sullivan and they gave me a return authorization. They repaired it and sent it back. I was disappointed that they did not send me new unit.

I believe that they must use an adhesive on the one way bearing that finds it's way to into the threads.

The threads are not left hand!

07-12-2007 11:40 PM

DWS6
Veteran
Location: Newark,DE

talked to Sullivan today, they said they would replace it but it would be 3-4 weeks because they don't have all the parts. They told me to use it and to heat it in an oven or hot water. I tried the torch, no luck. This thing is really on there. I scratched this thing up bad and I really tried not to.

I called Tower Hobbies and they said they would send a call tag and replace it when they get it back. All I know is I better get a brand new one thats not scratched when I get it back. I should not have to use tools to take it apart. Why would you use locktight on something you are suppose to take apart by hand anyway. Sullivan said it will come with a little locktight on it

Makes no sense because you will still have to use tools if it is locktighted.

This just sucks

Still no starter for the weekend.

Dave
R90 / Vibe 50 / T-Rex SE / T-Rex 600N

07-13-2007 03:08 AM

PietervA
Veteran
Location: New Zealand

Having taken mine apart, and cleaned off the loctite, it strikes me that you're NOT meant to take them apart!

The hex shaft is not anchored to the front bushed section. I don't think that the ingress of grit etc into the one-ways is necessarily good for them.

Mine'll stay tightened up.

07-23-2007 07:03 AM

CitationX
Senior Heliman
Location: Danville, IN

New Sullivan Starter Shaft

I am in the process of completely overhauling my Dynatron to use the Makita 3A Li-Ion battery and the Finer Edge adapter. See this link.

http://www.afineredgemfg.com/

I am also swapping over to the new Sullivan shaft from the KSJ set up. I installed the Sullivan last night and gave it a shot on my Spectra-G (TRM-231) & Extreme (OS91-SZ). Didn't work. The starter motor spun the red anodized portion of the Sullivan but the actual shaft itself remained stationary.

During my troubleshooting attempts, I disassembled the Sullivan just to make sure there was nothing obvious going on inside the red casing. There was nothing readily apparent that exhibited a problem. The ball located behind the 1-way bearing is in place and does rattle (move back & forth/up & down) when I don't have the shaft engage on the helicopter start adapter. I did notice that when I hold the actual start shaft itself (hex drive end) in 1 hand and rotate the red portion containing the bearing with the other hand (counter-closewise) the bearing actually does grab and rotate the hex drive end.

For what it's worth, I made certain that the starter is indeed spinning the correct way, counter-clockwise looking down on the helicopter. In addition, I installed the Sullivan in such a manner that I could verify right away if the start shaft was spinning or slipping on the Dynatron's short shaft. It clearly was not.

All I can think of is that it may have a faulty 1-way bearing. This is totally unsubstantiated however.

Any thoughts you guys may have would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

01-12-2008 02:58 PM

frebou
Key Veteran
Location: Montreal / Canada

Maybe the one way bearing has been installed reversed at factory?

01-12-2008 05:04 PM

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CitationX
Senior Heliman
Location: Danville, IN

BACKWARDS BEARING

I am pretty sure it is in the correct orientation. Why I take the Sullivan completely off the Dynatron and spin it by hand, the bearing grabs going in the correct direction. I even tried to turn the engine over, without the use of the Dynatron, and quickly rotated the red end with my right hand (CCW direction) and I could actually get the drive shaft end to slip ever so slightly. And trust me, the engine is definitley not that tight on compression.

It is likely going back to Tower Hobbies first thing Monday unless any other suggestions come through.

Thanks

01-12-2008 05:46 PM

CitationX
Senior Heliman
Location: Danville, IN

Starter Shaft Update

In my last post I mentioned the problems I was having with a new Sullivan starter shaft. I returned it to Tower Hobbies and received a new replacement today. Installed it on my Dynatron today which is now powered by a Makita 3-Amp Li-Ion and the Finer Edge Mfg adapter. So far so good. It had absolutely no problem at all turning over my OS-91SZ (always a pain to start) and the TRM-231 in my Spectra-G. These were just dry motors but regardless, my KSJ slipped on about the 15th start attempt.

Proof will be in the pudding the next time I take it to the field.

01-29-2008 02:17 AM

HammerTm2
Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia

CitationX

I have the same starter/battery set up as you do. The K&S wand has now started to slip on the Sullivan starter shaft. How does the Sullivan wand connect, it it a clamp, does it use the threads on the shaft, if so is there a nut to keep everything from loosening during starting. The starter has CW threads but turns CCW.

02-07-2008 03:49 PM

CitationX
Senior Heliman
Location: Danville, IN

HammerTm2

When I first got my Dynatron starter, I drilled a hole in the starter shaft about 1/4" above the threads (from what I remember). This enabled me to run a 3mm bolt all the way through the K&S 1-way bearing mount portion. Doing this took some of the reliance off of the 2 clamp bolts on the assembly. If you look at the portion of the K&S starter assembly I am referring to it will make sense. There had to have been a reason why K&S put the 2 counterbored holes in between the clamp bolts. I initially didn't use a thru bolt arrangement but I quickly realized that the clamping feature was inadequate.

OK, with that said, on to the Sullivan configuration. Ironically, the Sullivan uses the same basic style of double bolt clamping set up that the K&S does but it seems to be a lot stronger. First of all the Sullivan doesn't require the plastic sleeve that is used on the Dynatron shaft. The hole in the end of the Sullivan is a very close fit to the outside diameter of the Dynatron shaft. I actually had to lightly polish the Dynatron shaft with emery cloth to get the Sullivan to slide on. The double bolt clamp just feels so much stronger. Also, the Sullivan does not have the 2 counterbored holes adjacent to the clamp bolts like the Sullivan does. That's ok because even when trying to start my 90s, the Dynatron shaft does not slip inside the Sullivan housing.

I was looking through some other threads on the Sullivan S613 shaft and found a picture that Ray Stacy posted. It shows how the Sullivan is mounted.

Have a look and let me know if you have additional questions.

02-07-2008 05:16 PM

HammerTm2
Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia

CitationX

I just ordered my S613. Thanks for the help.

02-07-2008 09:38 PM

PietervA
Veteran
Location: New Zealand

After a few months of consistent use on 50s & 90s, my Sullivan starter shaft works perfectly. Clamp on the Dynatron shaft hasn't slipped, two parts unscrew easily, and after initially wearing off the chrome on the tip, this fits perfectly in the Raptor hex cups. As the starter shaft's nice 'n long, the starter clears the head of the Raptor 90 with ease.

02-09-2008 09:57 PM

HammerTm2
Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia

Sullivan Starter Wand S613

I just got my new Sullivan Starter Wand from Ron at Heliproz and it works perfectly and solved my slipping problem. Heliproz just got a new shipment of the updated Sullivan Wands and i got mine is two days.

02-09-2008 11:37 PM

BilJac
Senior Heliman
Location: Youngtown - AZ

I just want to get this straight. The 'SUL613' starter wand is the new version and the 'S613' is the old? Or are they the same? If so, is there any way to tell the difference between the new and old? I want to order one and I have seen prices on websites from $59.99 to $79.99 for the 'SUL613'. Ron's is currently out so I was looking around for one. Thanks.

02-24-2008 06:53 AM

AreA51tje
Senior Heliman
Location: Murcia, Spain

Hi Guys, I am using the Sullivan 6mm Hex wand allready a long time and must say I am quite happy with it. So far it has never failed and have started quite a lot of helicopters with it!

Attached you will find a photo of my starter.

Regards,
Dave

02-27-2008 04:13 PM

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CitationX
Senior Heliman
Location: Danville, IN

Sullivan Start Shaft - Adapter for Airplanes

This is a repeat from a reply I sent in the following post:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...6/?p=3303504#RR

For those of us that also fly airplanes and would like to use our Dynatron-Finer Edge-Makita-Sullivan set up, I came up with a reasonable solution. I purchased a spare starter wand and nose cone directly from Sullivan ($36 including shipping). I had the wand cut down to size and had a 1/4-20 thread put on the end. The aluminum spinner cup and rubber cone are original from my Dynatron which has a corresponding 1/4-20 thread in it. The spare nose cone was necessary so that I could readily swap between the helicopter wand and the airplane arrangement.

I was originally running the KSJ helicopter & airplane spinner cup set up, which now that I think about it is probably about the same amount as what I have in my Sullivan starter shaft combo. With the Makita 3-Amp pack and the larger 1-way bearing, this thing has worked great so far.

Let me know if you have any questions.

03-02-2008 03:29 AM

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