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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Rules and Stuff.
 
 
whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

There are risks, and then there is just plain stupidity.

Mike
03-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ADRYAN
Key Veteran
Location: Stouffville, Ontario, Canada






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- Remote Control Toy Heli Kills Grand Daughter -

A 55year old man is arrested in Japan for causing accidental death of his 5 year old grand daughter while flying a toy heli.
Police reports that 5 of the man's family members were watching around 30meters away from the flying heli. Police felt that he was negligent in safety precautions causing the girl's death.
The man stated to police "I decided to land because I felt that my family was too close and dangerous. I was trying to land but I made a mistake"
The heli that caused the accident was 3.5kg in weight and the heli did not have a malfunction.

The article stated that the heli blade struck the girl's head.






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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QSS...irplane%20crash






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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CedsF6lFusc





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http://video.hirado.hu/videok/hirad..._100_060513.wmv




Crashing model airplane kills two, hurts three (adds FOUR INJURED, details)


Budapest, May 13 (MTI) - Two people died and four others were injured when a model plane crashed into a crowd of spectators at an international model builders' show at Ocseny Airport, SW Hungary, on Saturday, police reported.

The accident was caused by a 2-2.5 metre-long, remote control model built by a German pilot that went down behind the fence into a group of spectators, organiser Gabor Biro told MTI on site. Two people died, a couple from nearby Szekszard, who had come to see the show with their grown-up children.

Four others were taken to a hospital in Szekszard with slight injuries, the ambulance services said.

It is assumed that the model became uncontrollable due to a technical interference problem, Chairman of the Hungarian Modelling Federation Andor Harmath told MTI.






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Maybe you should spend more time and read on through this section of runryder first... before you continue to show us your ignorance and pray that you do not endanger anyone around you.




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DYNAX/OS91 : 9303/S649pcm : GY601/9251 : CSMRL10/9253 : 7.4vLipo/Regulator : KO2123s(ai/el/pi)
03-30-2007 Over year old.
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headbrainface
Senior Heliman
Location: fort walton beach

Good info but you don't need to insult me by assuming I'm ignorant.

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Maybe you should spend more time and read on through this section of runryder first... before you continue to show us your ignorance and pray that you do not endanger anyone around you.

I've not called names or been rude toward anyone in all my posts. Why is that the first action everyone takes is to be rude? As I've stated a couple times now this thread is for entertainment not flames.

Those are infomative. I don't understand the one movie but I get the point. If you talk to the people responsible for those accidents I'm sure you can say that there were mistakes made. Meaning they could have taken safety precautions that weren't taken. Getting complacent.

http://members.cox.net/clamdiglet/trex3.jpg
03-30-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Socaldan
Heliman
Location: San Pedro, CA USA

I was going to write a long response, but I think Adryan put it together nicely. BrainFace, knowing how difficult helicopters are to fly and how often they fail and crash even under the best circumstances, would you let your child, if you have one, be in the presents of an R/C'er who didn't observe basic safety rules for the common good of everyone?

You can choose not to follow any rules or regulations if you wish. The rules are optional. Just be prepared to suffer the consequences. Oh, and you might want to keep your bank account sufficiently stocked with money to hand over to a lawyer and victim if you mess up.

I on the other hand will use do care and caution so others aren't injured if disaster strikes.
03-30-2007 Over year old.
 
 
951_Powerstroke
Veteran
Location: Corona, Ca

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you don't need to insult me by assuming I'm ignorant.


I don't think anyone is assuming anything, just stating facts....

You created this entire post to get people worked up, plain and simple. If you don't want to follow rules....fine don't! Do as you wish. Like I stated before, it's people like you who give the hobby a bad image, and the main reason there are so many rules in exsistence. You are acting more like a troll then a "pilot".

Jay



Of coarse I know how to fly this thing, but if you see me running try to keep up!!
03-30-2007 Over year old.
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TrexRookie
Key Veteran
Location: San Francisco, CA

headbrainface, do you even know what "hard 3d" is? When I first started, my definition of "hard 3d" turned out to be between moderate sport flying and MILD 3d. Your posts here are unacceptable in a hobby that is already under so much scrutiny. If you are giving any of your attention to the possibility of a kid running under or towards your heli, that is just that much more attention that you AREN'T giving a machine that is fully capable of KILLING someone. Although you still need to have good situational awareness at fields, the amount of SA needed at a regular old park is much higher due to dogs, people, frisbees, hell... use your imagination. And if you get a radio lockout in a park and your heli flies into a crowd of people, then what?... you'll wish you'd have paid that $50 membership fee and flown at a sanctioned field.

As for that indoor video, if you honestly think that's safe, then go for it... at least you aren't endangering anyone else around. Hell, if you try that stunt and end up killing yourself, I'll send your family a post card conveying my condolences. But when you place OTHER PEOPLE at risk, it is NOT acceptable. Those people pay their tax dollars to have a public park maintained... Not to have some guy with an RC helicopter buzzing around and making them fearful of getting hit by that thing. I've got a 5-year-old nephew that loves to run around and it's not always easy to hear where he's at when I'm flying my helis. I'd hate for him to be anywhere near a person that has the same reckless attitude as you. Oh and if you ever ended up hurting/killing anyone at a park that I was at, a lawsuit would be the least of your worries.
03-30-2007 Over year old.
 
 
TrexRookie
Key Veteran
Location: San Francisco, CA

might wanna read thru this.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t287946p1/

take note of the guy in Japan who had a PCM lockout and his heli flew into a crowd of kids, killing one of the kids and putting him in jail for life.
03-30-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ADRYAN
Key Veteran
Location: Stouffville, Ontario, Canada

When a heli hits your HEAD, your BRAIN may splatter your FACE... fly safe man... that's all we ask. Peace.



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DYNAX/OS91 : 9303/S649pcm : GY601/9251 : CSMRL10/9253 : 7.4vLipo/Regulator : KO2123s(ai/el/pi)
04-01-2007 Over year old.
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flyboywbl
Heliman
Location: Bozeman, Montana - USA

I used to fly my nitro plane at a the campus feild. there are dorms and powerlines and people (i know this was dumb). the only reason I did this is i did not know of a feild in my area (i had just moved to college from minnesota and did not think there was one). I also was not an AMA member. Any way i really thought about the risk. I decided that i don't want to be resposiblity for any one or any thing that this thing (my nitro heli and plane) could hit. I really reacerched online and did find a club. Thankfully it was only about 10 miles from my house. I later found out that there were more accidents at the club. This is of course due to the fact that there are more planes/heli's and more things to go wrong. Atleast every one is fully aware of the dangers and are on their gaurd. That guy in the YouTube viedo did not look like he was a spectator who had "calculated the risk" He was just minding his buisness and walking in the park where HIS tax dollars went to pay for (yah it's not just your park) and he got hit. If you are at an AMA sanctioned feild, not only is every one aware of the dangures, they are all covered un a 2 million dollar policy for what, 50 measly bucks a year. I burn 50 bucks in gas in my nitro burd in two weeks. I burn 50 buck in my car every week. trust me man the rules are there for your benifit. With out the AMA you would not have the frequency you do to fly on. It's nice to know that if an accident does happen you know that every one at the field knew the risk and have insurrance. It alows you to do your "hard 3D" with knowing the only thing you might have to pay for is new mains, a spindle and your flybar. It really is guys like you who give this hobby a bad name. Just like the taliban gives muslams a bad name. These accedents can happen do you think you need to take into account for the fact that buy you flying a dangourse thing in the park 2 inches away from your head that it is a safe thing? you are giving the wrong message. you are making something look totaly safe so peaople are drawn to it. Please cease and disist doing what your doing for the sake of other's. No one deserves this. Fly at a sanctioned AMA feild so the at least if an accedent does happen, every one FULLY knew the risk involed and they are covered.

What goes up, must come down. How hard is up to you!
04-01-2007 Over year old.
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Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Good info but you don't need to insult me by assuming I'm ignorant.

Based on all your posts in this thread that looks like a pretty safe assumption.



04-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jb_turner
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

"You have to pay for the AMA membership then you have to pay for the CLUB membership and THEN to top it all off you have to pay to drive 50 miles plus out of your way to get there just to fly."

You do not have to pay AMA or club... just do not join. There are at least 2 clubs within 10 miles of FWB.



"I've never crashed and I have about 140 flights under my belt and I do HARD 3D."

So you may consider hovering your blade or align (toys) "Hard 3D" most reasonable people would not.


If you have this many complaints this hobby may not be for you.

JB "Do a SEARCH" Turner
04-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HHawk
Veteran
Location: Gardnerville Nv.

This is a great place for all the ego's to go wild! And they always do when someone starts a topic like this. Headbrainface is right, and I would expect nothing less than a page from wallbanger for that coment.LOL. Most rules are written in blood,accidents will always happen! Even at AMA sanctioned events! Ray Namovi comes to mind.
I think the bottom line is that rules confine us all a bit. Inconvienience Sucks! Are the rules going away? LOL NOT! We all do what we have to and its all about Fun, entertainment,and ego strokeing! Theres no rule out there that will stop the carnage with RC Helis or chainsaws for that matter.
Oh and bye the way the most rediculous rule at the nearest flying field for me, which is 25 miles away, is that " If theres a plane in the air, All helis have to be on the ground! BULL!@$$!! Ill burn in hell before I follow that rule!
Its all the plankers fault where Im from!
04-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

CrzHk,
The Rules are not written in blood, they are what they are wherever that may be. But to be honest he was not on about rules!!! He was on about forgoing common sense. Most of his original post had less to do with rules although they clearly state he doesn't like them and wants nothing more than to disregard any rules. I didn't say the rules but any in general. The amazing part is he beleives that by not abiding by any rules even common sense safety rules that he is not liable for a kid or person getting whacked by his heli. As if they should know how dangerous they "CAN" be. The only reason you dont hold your hand on a hot stove top is because someone told you not to and you actually lisened or you did it once and figured out it wasn't worth repeating ever again. His mentality falls into this scenario. Basic common sense is lost in his ideal flying arena.

He even states in his reply that yah he would absorb the costs of the accident unless the guy was being rude.. What the hell does being rude have to do with it? In his own example previously he states someone that gets in the way of his heli deserves what they get and its there fault for being there. lol So because the guy thinks exactly like he does, well hell then theres a reason to sue.. lol pitiful!!!

As far as accidents go. They can and will happen, Ray is no different than any of us but hey doesn't that prove my points against the originator of this post, or does he fly an out of control model any better than anyone else. Rules are there to protect as much as they can not to hinder your progress. Hell why don't more people drive backwards on the freeway? It's deffinitely against the rules and will get those that choose to go against the rules all the love and attention you need.

As far as the rules at your plank field, sorry they are just jackazzes. Planks and helis can live in harmony. It's just ol plankers cannot stand whirlies!!! I think your plank field needs an invasion! Especially from a 30yr previous plank flyer

There see didn't even let you down.. You got almost a whole page

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, KBDD & Compass Model teams
04-02-2007 Over year old.
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HHawk
Veteran
Location: Gardnerville Nv.

Wallbanger, Not all, but most rules are written in blood. He was definitelly "on about rules" Common sense is a big part of it too!
No real joy in argueing, but I kinda see hbf's point,rules are different everywhere you go, but in general they are about the same. If we choose to do dangerious things for fun and entertainment, rules or no rules, society will hold any of us accountable.
Rays accident doesnt prove your point IMO, The rules were in place and its miraculous that knobody was hurt, and ironic that the heli landed right next to the son of one of the officials. Stuff happens and it always will. It sux when it does, and can be minimized with common sense, but there is only so much of that to go around
I have seen some amazing things in a short time in this hobby,HBF sounds like he likes to push the limit,and raise a few eyebrows , but I dont think he takes life lightly. As he said, he would hear a kid! "WOA LOOK A HELICOPTER!" He always stays alert and aware of his suroundings. There is no perfectly safe flying area except the SIM lol.
The AMA has done good things and if the AMA was more heli oriented as well as the closest field, I would join in a heartbeat. As far as the invasion of the local field, I dont think anything would make me happier! Great idea!
Not bad as expected I think I touched on the main points
04-02-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

Not trying to argue but Rays example proves my point, as HBF said he always has options and can control his heli no matter what. My point was that no you cant! That's what I meant about proving my point not proving that rules are the end all be all of protection.

I have excellent spatial awareness as well, and could probably hear a child walk up while flying a trex 450 as well.. But with a nitro? I am betting not, especially while performing,all in your face with mad 3Dz manuevers. I respect his stance on rules but not at the sake of others. Remember his flying will become habbit and at the point he decides to get more involved in the hobby and start flying "bigger" aircraft he will become a danger to those around him with his current attitude. His example of getting hit does not see the big picture he sees a few stitches from a trex 450.. He doesn't see a nitro hit, he didn't even pay attention to those pics posted. This is not my ego talking hehe it is common sense and many, many years of "seen it". His stance is not unique, there are many just like him, good thing when most of em grow up they come to their senses.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, KBDD & Compass Model teams
04-02-2007 Over year old.
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HHawk
Veteran
Location: Gardnerville Nv.

I see what you mean wallbenger, and your right if thats what you meant. The flipside is how many days do we fly with such a large audience. Im usually alone, so the danger is minimized. Theres usually a jogger or two. HBF is his own person as we all are and I have no right but to trust he, and every other pilot will fly without hurting anyone. Live happy fly free!
04-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
TrexRookie
Key Veteran
Location: San Francisco, CA

I'd have to disagree with that... look around, there aren't many of us.. I know of about a dozen RC heli pilots within a 30-mile radius of me. And I LIVE in the city of San Francisco where the population is high. Because we're in such a small community, it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY that our bretheren abide by the ground rules, otherwise someone else is going to rain on our (very selective) parade. Right now there's an issue with the FAA and aerial photographers... If someone got hurt with any kind of RC helicopters, the LAST thing you want is them expanding their horizons and setting ground rules for regular RC heli pilots too... Having to take classes just to put your bird in the air is the last thing you want. The more people (that aren't RC heli pilots) that get hurt because of one pilot's irresponsibility, the higher the likelihood of us having more and more restrictive rules set upon us.

Anyone who doesn't see it that way is, simply said, being selfish. They are RUINING the RC heli experience for the rest of us. But rest assured, if he ever does anything irresponsible, I will personally make sure that the RC heli community speaks against him in his irresponsible act in order to maintain the integrity of this select group. I have no problems in personally starting a petition stating that "Against the advice and pleas of MANY in the RC helicopter community, he continued to fly in places that we consider to be of high risk and danger."
04-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
MolokaiBoy
Key Veteran
Location: Kailua-Kona,Hawaii USA

Not to argue either but heres something to think about......

Imagine if pilots continued to fly with no regards to rules and regulations and the safety of everyone. Accidents occurred more frequently and things got to the point where Our Helis were no longer allowed to fly? They put a total ban on R/C Aircrafts to the point where we could no longer fly "Legally", it becomes an outlaw sport/hobby. All R/C Aircrafts get grounded. Then what do we do?

I hate too much rules and regulations as the next guy, but so many peoples ignorance and stupidity and the need to want to have others pay for there mistakes has brought us to this point. Everyone is always out to make a buck at someone elses expense, yes it friggin sucks big time but it will never change. Just as the idiot that goes running up to a spooled up heli should be held accountable for there actions, so should we as the pilots. So why risk endangering yourself, family, friends, pets, idiots, morons, and so on? One day something might happen to a member of your family because of someone else flying there heli in an unsafe manner and not in accordance to rules and regulations then what? Well you remain calm and say it was that family members fault and that they deserved that? I think not. If you have no regard for yourself, thats fine and well. But when your endangering the well being of others thats where we need to draw the line.

Sorry I kinda got carried away. Anyways just my opinion.

Aloha,
MolokaiBoy

Les
You gonna fly that??
04-03-2007 Over year old.
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Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Imagine if pilots continued to fly with no regards to rules and regulations and the safety of everyone. Accidents occurred more frequently and things got to the point where Our Helis were no longer allowed to fly? They put a total ban on R/C Aircrafts to the point where we could no longer fly "Legally", it becomes an outlaw sport/hobby. All R/C Aircrafts get grounded. Then what do we do?

That's exactly the problem and the AMA is concerned about it as well. One careless irresponsible individual can ruin it for everyone!



04-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Furyflyer01
Heliman
Location: Seville,OH USA

This thread just proves that people DO NOT use their brains, or maybe they are lacking one in the 1st place......

I've been flying long enough (25 yrs) to KNOW that radios fail, servos fail, batteries fail, Brains fail, and all sorts of other things fail as well.......

Whoever that was flying a gasser inside, NO BRAINS!!! and his buddies, they have no brains either! or a death wish...

It doesn't seem to matter what a person chooses to do in his free time for (fun)....there's always the moron that gives us responsible people a negative connotation in the public's eyes.

Want to continue to be able to fly in years to come, join the AMA and use common sense wherever you choose to fly.

Scott
04-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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