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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Mark,
Is it possible to make it mandatory to have new sign up to have enter their location, and have their IP logged. That would sure be make individual much easier to identify with. Sometimes I find them trying to sell stuff.. but don't have a clue as to what part of the world they are from. Just thought this might be a cool idea. Anyone want to chime in on this?

Naomi

01-16-2003 01:50 AM

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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

For those who voted NO.. should state the reason why as to Not necessary.. What do you have to hide?

Naomi

01-16-2003 02:06 AM

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runboy
Key Veteran
Location: Denmark

It is a very bad idea to make the IP address of a user public. I am sure Mark is already tracking IP addresses and if you have a problem with a person you can probably get it if you ask him, but don't make it public.
I am personally well secured behind firewalls etc. but that is not the case for everybody. Let's stick to verbal attacks. The few times I have posted on message boards that display my IP address I have had hack attacks run against my firewall.

[url]http://www.avitop.com/[/url]

01-16-2003 02:06 AM

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Obsessive
Key Veteran
Location: 41.73N 71.41W

I voted yes, but perhaps a clarification is necessary.

I think the premise is good....location visible. Perhaps the IP shouldn't, based on the posts above.

Mark does have IP address access...if there's a particular problem, he's there to help as required for that.

If I was participating as a buyer, I'd really appreciate knowing where the items were coming from.

I'll do my part for consensus building purposes: I'll admit I haven't been here that long, but from what I have seen, there are certain posts put up with illegitimate profiles and outright lies for location, as cover. If the location was identifiable, it would be one tool we can use as a measure of whether a "new" user is a recurring troll under a new name.

As a hypothetical example the allegedly notorious "Lior" person comes back under new names and locations throughout the world.....What if regardless of the username, the location was always Tel Aviv, Israel. This is not to say that all people signing in with the location of Tel Aviv should be presumed to be "Lior", but it raises a question, which can be answered by watching that persons posts to ascertain overall behavior.

Comments,

01-16-2003 02:50 AM

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iByte
Senior Heliman
Location: Austin / Dallas, TX

No chance in ...

I do NOT want my IP published... If you made it optional, it might be OK, but I still believe ignorant people might choose to publicize their IP without knowing the consequences. It is just a potential problem.

01-16-2003 02:51 AM

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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Quite understandable concern as far as published IP publicly, as long as Mark's server has a way of logging the offending parties ip, that would be fine with me. But Location I think it's should be a good start for new signed up, and for those who doesn't have a location posted, and makes it genuine as well not those ridiculous "Deep In Jungle", "Where Justic prevail" etc..

Naomi

01-16-2003 02:53 AM

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Obsessive
Key Veteran
Location: 41.73N 71.41W

Heli_Gal:

Close, it was "Wherever freedom is challenged"

I changed it to New England a couple of weeks ago....

01-16-2003 03:00 AM

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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Will the location offending party stands up..

Ah..

great.. one confessed.. good job Obsessive, I was always wondering where the hell could that place be..

Naomi

01-16-2003 03:03 AM

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Twobeers
Key Veteran
Location: Toronto, Canada

Anytime I disconnect from the net and reconnect my IP changes, so that would be kinda mute.

I lost my infamous tag line.

01-16-2003 03:10 AM

Obsessive
Key Veteran
Location: 41.73N 71.41W

Oh, I didn't take the original post to mean she meant display the IP....I took it to mean that the location was verified by the IP during initial log-in.

cnsheets: I understand your question, but I don't understand how it would be encountered in practice....i.e., doesn't just about everyone who participates here consistently do it from home or their workplace?

I queried the Computer Geek at my company, and he told me that regardless of how many computers were on our network, the IP of the individual node is readable. I just can't envision 10 people using the same computer to post to RR. Did I miss something?

For your other question, as I put a few posts up the chain, NO you don't assume it's the same person or an alias, but do increase your awareness of the possibility...

01-16-2003 03:23 AM

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runboy
Key Veteran
Location: Denmark

The original post has been edited, which makes our replies seem weird.

You can download databases that connect IP adresses to location (Not 100% correct) and Mark could implement a feature that displays the location instead of the IP. I personally find it unnecessary. If a person wants to do foul play he can just go through a proxy server.

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01-16-2003 03:37 AM

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runboy
Key Veteran
Location: Denmark

Heli_Gal

You shouldn't edit a post in a way that changes the meaning. You original post indicated posting IP addresses and that is what we were polled on. Now you changed it to something entirely different. That is unethical

Fixing spelling mistakes is ok, but that is it.

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01-16-2003 03:44 AM

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SAL
Veteran
Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada

Obsessive.......

You always here man, not that i'm complaining thou, you've always got good info to add to any post.

Let me clear up the computer geek thing for you:

On a company network there is a internal IP network, therefore all individual pc's have their own unique IP address. The connection to the outside world (internet) is governed by a NAT (network address translator). This external address is unique and will be picked if your company IP address is checked externally on the internet.
Basically (in english) if ten employees were posting to RR from your company they would all broadcast the same IP address.

This is basically what he was trying to explain,

Twobeers made a good point in his post: Most Dial-up connections always change their IP adresses whenever they log-on. How could this be policed by Mark???

Is it me, or are people becoming more and more paranoid about this whole 'who are they, are they geniune' situation. I think people here are generally good at judging other people, and maybe we should just use human intuition at judging other people. But there is that saying 'never judge a book by it's cover' so i'm stumped

Anyways this is your post, and not mine, so do not let me interrupt the proceedings..........

[color=red]SAL[/color]

01-16-2003 03:45 AM

Obsessive
Key Veteran
Location: 41.73N 71.41W

thanks guys...

cnsheets: Gotcha, it's clear to me what you were trying to say.

sal14m: Your IT background is coming in handy today!

Ok, Heli_Gal, you're the bus driver here, where are we going?

01-16-2003 03:53 AM

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SAL
Veteran
Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada

Cnsheets

I'm glad i can put my IT knowledge to some use here

Funny about the DSL thing.......
Here at my home and at work I use DSL.
You'll find with DSL that if you disconnect, BUT re-connect straight away you usually get the same IP Address back again. Depends on your ISP provider 'lease time' , my Provider is usually good for about 10 mins, if i don't re-login within this time, then i'll get allocated a different address.

Because DSL is a permanent 24hr connection, I have had my own IP address for over 6 months now, which is a good thing, because I run VPN (virtual Private network) to connect to my work pc, which comes in handy if i'm feeling lazy, and would rather work from home.

Oh, I got carried away there, let me answer your question:

If you were logged into a site at work, and left the connection on, then came home and logged on, your home connection would show up it's IP address, this is because you have not refreshed the screen at work, but you will have done at home. You could play an interesting game of having someone at work press their refresh button on your account. If the site is secure enough it would display a message along the lines of 'you are already logged on, please log-out of your account before logging back in', but I doubt RR has this feature. Alot of internet on-line banking sites have this security feature.

Hope this helps ..........

[color=red]SAL[/color]

01-16-2003 04:24 AM

dbackus
Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

I read RunRyder from 4 different computers. Afraid a recording of my IP address wouldn't help. Also, most are not static.

Derek

01-16-2003 07:05 AM

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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Sorry for the misconception..

To clear the matters up..
Location: Where you live? what states / country, lets have a drop down list of states, provinces and countries to select.

zip code not necessary

IP logged is your ip being logged - since many would rather not published the ip publicly nor it's proven to be useful for those ip changes automatically by server. Further more if Mark has a way to keep track of ip/s that would not be necessary to publish ip publicly like other forums.

All for Location Vote Yes please , disregard the IP issue. I'm kinda hoping Mark would chime in on this. (Perhaps extra work for him to do

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Naomi

01-16-2003 02:01 PM

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SAL
Veteran
Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada

Why don't we make a policy???

If a user refuses to enter his/her location information, then simply do not bother to answer their post...........

If it's a newbie, a gentle reminder is usually enough to get them to fill out their info. I had the same situation yesterday, and I gave a kind reminder about his profile info, and this person was happy to comply and thanked me.

Sometimes these 'hard line' policing efforts coz more grief than anything else.

SAL

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[color=red]SAL[/color]

01-16-2003 02:16 PM

Obsessive
Key Veteran
Location: 41.73N 71.41W

Heli_Gal:

I'm thinking you may need to initiate a new poll,

Anyone who has already voted one way or the other cannot now change their vote (if they agree with the new "Choice" description).

01-16-2003 02:19 PM

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deckerv
Veteran
Location: Wellsville, NY

Location mandatory should be fine on the profiles, but IP I think should stay private, and known only to the website admin. Hackers would love everyone's IP addresses..... kinda like giving them a key to your house.

01-16-2003 02:19 PM

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