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e-Ikarus Piccolo-Eco 8/16 > Just built new Ikarus Eco 8 Royal
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

I just recently completed building the new updated for 2007 Eco 8 Royal from Ikarus. This is my 4th Ikarus helicopter, the other three being a Piccolo Fun, (2), a Piccolo Pro and now the Eco 8 Royal. The build went fairly well but there were a few snags I should mention. First off the parts bags should be labeled and organized better. A new builder would probably be overwhelmed trying to figure out which bolt, nut or screw goes where even though they do show pictures of the various parts they are not shown to scale. The pictures of the various linkage rods are the same way, they give a measurement but they are not to scale. If they were to scale it would be easy to just place the linkage rods over the plans to get the correct length, how simple is that? There were two parts which did not have holes drilled in them where there should have been holes, the tail boom was missing a hole for a screw to hold the tail rotor assembly on and there were no holes in the horizontal wing on top of the boom. This is minor but it still should have been done. The instructions should be better, there were several misspelled words and a few areas where more details need to be addressed. The quality of the parts is fair but not on par with other E-helicopter makers, i.e., Align. There is no auto rotation gear included in the kit, you have to buy that extra and that just shouldn't be the case in 2007, shame on Ikarus for not including those in the kit!! You also have to purchase a blade holder if you want to fold the blades back for storage. The included stick-on decals are very attractive however they are a pain to get on without wrinkles and bubbles. I could have used water and a drop of soap but I wanted to assemble this bird as if I had never build one before because there will be lots of new fliers buying this helicopter. The layout of the electronics could probably be improved, i.e, the location for the receiver, gyro and speed controller. I had to add a 6" extension to get the speed controller lead to reach the receiver back on the tail boom. There really isn't enough space to mount the receiver and gyro on the platform on the front of the boom. A simple solution would have been to make the platform larger or place a flat on the bottom so the gyro could be placed on it upside down. The new frame is very rigid once it's assembled. It comes it two half's and locks together using 12 or so steel Allen socket headed screws. The landing gear interlock into the frame when the two half's are joined and hold the landing gear well. This design for the gear is good and bad, good in that it's simple and fairly strong, bad in that it may be very difficult to ever change the landing gear to another type since the stock gear has plastic keys that fit into the frame.

Flying---So far I've only had time to do a test hover to adjust tracking and check trims, that went well with just a little tracking adjustment needed. I am able to obtain +9-9 pitch using the recommended settings. You could obtain more by using slightly longer arms on the servos. Finally what do I think? I think Ikarus needs to include the auto-rotation hub and bearing, blade holders, hardened steel main shaft and tail shaft and get there parts pricing more in line with other manufacturers. Time will tell whether this will be a good flier or not, the original Eco 8 required extensive and expensive upgrades to fly well, I don't know about the new Eco 8 Royal yet it's too early to pass judgement. In my opinion it's a real shame because this truly is a beautiful helicopter, had Ikarus spent another few dollars on the auto-rotation gear, hardened steel main and tail blade shafts and a blade holder they would be far better off.

Here are the specs on it;

AXI Brushless 28/20/8 Motor 1500 RPM PV
19 Tooth 5mm pinion
Jeti Spin 44
Hitec HS-225 BB servos including tail
Art-Tech HH Gyro
Battery PolyQuest 20C 4350 3-Cell Lipoly
Hitec Electron 6 receiver

Gary Morris



Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-14-2007 Over year old.
 
 
i8urls6
Senior Heliman
Location: Troutman, NC

Thanks for the info Heliduce. I have been keeping an eye on the Royal myself. Its hard to tell by your pictures if it has the proposed new head design. I hope so, any feedback on the head would be appreciated. Are the ball links plastic or another material? I am also curious about the tail rotor assembly. Do the tail blade grips use one or two bearings? Are the bolts that hold the blade grips to the hub 2mm? Thanks.
03-14-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

More specs

The head is all new, completely different, it uses a ring to obtain 120 degree swash for CCPM. The tail blades are entirely new and different, there are two bearings in each grip in the tail, seperated by a flat washer. The blade grips are totally different and the screws appear to be 2mm holding the blades on. The balls on the swash are plastic, and appear to be made of the same material as the links.

Gary Morris



Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-14-2007 Over year old.
 
 
i8urls6
Senior Heliman
Location: Troutman, NC

Thanks Gary.
03-14-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Test Flight Completed, She Passes!

Today I took the Eco 8 Royal out for test flights, I fly out of a local soccer field behind a school. The winds were gusting from the west about 10-15 mph. I first did a range check and I was able to get 50 paces away before I started to loose radio contact. I then spooled up in normal mode and climbed to around 50 feet to do a test hover. I switched to idle up and flew some circuits around the field to get a feel for the controls. The Eco 8 Royal is very agile for it's size, it does get pushed around a bit by the wind but that is due to it's very light weight. I then did some full throttle climb outs, it has good power and climbs well on the recommended motor and battery. I then did some side in hovers with a direct cross wind to see how the gyro held. I did notice some tail wag and attempted to correct it but adjusting the gain. This did not help, it appears the stock steel push rod binds inside of the push rod holders. I am going to correct this by switching to a carbon fiber rod, a tail servo holder and ball links on the rear tail control arm instead of a clevis. This should eliminate all of the binding.
The suggested settings as far as pitch seem to work well, since the Royal isn't designed to be a 3D ship it does fly well as a sports flier and it will instill confidence in even a new flier since it goes where you tell it and it handles very well. On a rating of A-F I'd have to give it a B+. With a few corrections, i.e, auto-rotation bearing, hardened main and tail shafts, larger main shaft, enclosed swash bearings and blade holders for securing the blades during transit, I'd then rate it and A.
The Royal is a very attractive helicopter with some nice engineering improvements, the frame is totally new and much stiffer, the 120 degree swash is new, the battery compartment is excellent and has lots of room to adjust the CG. The landing gear are totally new and improved. The tail boom has been updated and appears much more modern. The tail boom supports are now carbon fiber and they do a good job of holding the boom. For a suggested price of $199.00 I would say that I would purchase the Royal if I wanted to use it for Sports flying.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Wow not a single response!

I either did a fantastic job of reviewing the Eco 8 Royal, (I doubt that seriously), or no one is interested in this bird. I have to say after flying it several flights the more I fly it the better I like it. It really looks nice in the air too, it's a shame more folks don't get one.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
CRAZYKEV
Veteran
Location: Cincinnati,Oh - U.S.A.

We have been talking about it here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652969

Maybe you can post some pics there too.
03-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

I know, I have posted there as well under my real name not my nick name, but thanks anyway.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
CRAZYKEV
Veteran
Location: Cincinnati,Oh - U.S.A.

Ooops! Sorry Gary.
03-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
i8urls6
Senior Heliman
Location: Troutman, NC

Gary, did you guys get anything ironed out with the tracking variations? I know the woodies are famous for this. But if I remember correctly no one was using the stock blades. Im holding out too see the price of parts before I buy.
03-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

I worked on it tonight in the driveway, got it spot on, perfect, then all of a sudden it's out again. I believe it's the cheap wooden blades, they aren't equally stiff, I am using the stock blades that come with the kit. I'm going to put some Ikarus fiberglass blades on it as soon as Hobby Lobby gets them in. I really like the way it flies with the exception of the tracking problem. If new fiberglass blades don't fix it then it's got to be in the head. Everything in the head is tight with no slop, another Royal owner, Lynxman had a minor tracking issue with his but it was a slightly bent fly-bar. He straightened it out and it's fine according to him. He posted a flight video and it really looked good. You can find the video over on ezone.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
thedrill
Heliman
Location: Fallon, NV, U.S.A.

Hey HeliDuce,
Is the rotor head very different than the eco8 Will parts interchange??

Ron Paul 08 T-rex 450, T-rex 500
03-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

The rotor head is entirely different, about the only thing you might could use would be the ball links. The spindle shaft is longer and I believe a little thicker, the swash bearing is and open style bearing, why they did that I'll never know. It is pretty much slop free a far cry from the original Eco 8. The blade grips are much beefier and stronger as well.

Gary

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Replaced blades today

Today at lunch I stopped by Hobby Lobby and picked up some semi symmetrical carbon fiber blades, these babies are stiff and the tips are turned down on the end, to eliminate vortexes maybe? Anyway if the wind isn't howling when I get home this evening I'll test them out to see if the tracking improves. Sure hope it does.!

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
thedrill
Heliman
Location: Fallon, NV, U.S.A.

Thanks for the info I have been thinking of getting one but I have an eco8 that is in excellent condition and probably would not get much for it to finance the upgrade. Will the auto rotation hub fit it?? I guess I am trying to talk myself into buying this bird

Ron Paul 08 T-rex 450, T-rex 500
03-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Everything will work on the new Eco 8 Royal with the exception of the frame members, tail blades and according to the website some of the main blades won't work on the new model. By the way, the new set of carbon fiber blades track perfectly now. The gear and main shaft are the same, the spindle shaft is different. The freewheel hub is the same.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
thedrill
Heliman
Location: Fallon, NV, U.S.A.

Thanks for the info

Ron Paul 08 T-rex 450, T-rex 500
03-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Near fatal crash today with Royal!

Today I got up early to beat the wind and fly my new Royal with the upgraded CF blades. All went well for two circuits then I climbed to about 150 feet, and made a quick descent to 50 feet and started making a left hand turn. The Royal started to vibrate violently and shake from the nose to the tail. It was also jerking like and injured bird. The canopy then fell off from 50 feet and I switched from idle 1 to normal and was just barely able to recover it and land. The helicopter did the old chicken dance on it's skids as the rotors came to a stop. The main shaft was bent badly, apparently caused from the stress of the carbon fiber blades. I'm going to replace the standard main shaft with the hardened shaft and go back to the woodies until I can get some FG blades.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Found problem, fixed it!

The problem turned out to be a gritty bearing in the washout set, I fortunately had a bearing that fit and replaced it. Took it for a flight this morning early before the wind came up and re-tracked it with the FG blades. It flew great with no out of track issues. This obviously is not a common occurance. I had to completely tear down the head to find the problem. I spent practically the whole day working on it changing blades, re-tracking etc. It just goes to show that sometimes it takes a complete tear down to find a problem. I'm liking the Royal now, and I'll even keep the woodies since they will probably track true now.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Canopy holding design fix!

It appears there is a flaw in the canopy holding design which can cause the canopy to come off in flight. The solution I made was to use some old canopy hold posts from a crashed Eolo Pro. I simply snipped the posts off and using shoe Goop I glued the posts to the existing ones except I glued them on the front end of the posts. The reason for this was so that when attaching the canopy with the stock setup you have to bend the post towards the front to engage the grommets. Now since the posts are positioned towards the front and they now have a ball on the end of the post it holds the canopy on very securely. Anyone who should purchase the Eco 8 Royal kit should make this modification to prevent the possible loss of the canopy and resultant damage to the rotor blades should the canopy strike them. The fix cost me nothing but maybe 15 minutes of work so it's very easy to do.

Gary Morris

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
03-31-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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