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lowflyer101
Key Veteran
Location: garden grove, CA

did i said he bough used heli from me?,, i he got pic and everything to support my sale,, he look wood and align blade asked y it not SAB blade,, like i said many time b4 i never said sab,, and sab only make blade all white with black strip color ... understand.?..
he get used heli from me,, keep complain this and that .... i keep send him spare parts and send him spare parts again... when he got everything.. go went to final stage... asking for full refund this keep saying many b4 in OCHC thead,, i am tired of
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Our investigation into your claim is complete. As stated in our User
Agreement, the claims process only applies to the shipment of goods. It
does not apply to complaints about the attributes or quality of goods
received. Therefore, we are unable to reverse this transaction or issue a
refund.
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Thank for,, those quote said all, that was the reason i don't give refund, for something you got from me 2months ago that also the reason you start this thread to attack me ? you are the cat in my story Joer, I gave you a fish, you come back asking for a cup of milk



you see joeR , unlike you I got proof support for everysingle thing i said, look as you JoeR .. you turned yourself into biggest A** all your infomation is false and you don't have a single proof to support whatever horsesh*t you said.. you just turned yourself in DEADBEAT CROoK, in your own threads, design to attack me ,


look as yourself now Joer you have to spam your own thread muli-post , strolls your own thread to depend yoursefl.. i feel sorry for you .

<-freedoom flyer->
03-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Shadowfox
Senior Heliman
Location: ABQ,NM

THAT F#$% DOES IT!! I WANT A DAMN REFUND OF EVERY TAX DOLLAR I EVER PUT INTO THE USA PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM!!

Lowflyer.... Hot Damn man! Reading your post has been a pain in my butt!! In fact my IQ has slipped quite a few points! Yep...I can feel it...My brain has atrophied since clicking this link..

JoeR has patiently stated and restated his side of it and I applaud ya Lowflyer in replying here but..WHAT IN THE CRAP ARE YA TALKING ABOUT??

If the heli was advertised as the buyer would just have to make a few tweaks and it would be airworthy to his satisfaction and its obviously not...REFUND HIS DAMN $$!!

(JoeR, post pics of the heli current condition just to be fair to lowflyer)

If it was more of a wrecked parts heli type deal and ya'll agreed to certian parts replacements...Then honor the buyer list of parts and have good communication (ie. not ignore the man's PMs)!

But since it seems your trying to be shady about this deal Lowflyer...REFUND THE DAMN $$!!

Nobody here is going to hold your hand Lowflyer! Either man up and setlle this deal finally or be the sorry sack of S@#$ that you are currently acting like.
03-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
lowflyer101
Key Veteran
Location: garden grove, CA

yeah my English not good as him,, that not the reason i have to send him refund.. the past he asked me for parts, i send him parts 2 separated times, after he get all the parts, he still not happy with with it,, attack me in public and ask for full refund .. for something he got for 2 months ago..

if he wanted refund, he have to do so in the first place, not after asking for more extra parts, that i have to buy on my own expensive. then bang, he want ful fu*king refund 1 month later ,

in his first waves of problem posted in OCHC ' thread
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t331928p1/?p=2632261#RR

and keep going on attack me on the sale thread:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t333508p1/

i was willing to make thing work out for him , to the points where i can't help him anymore ..

it is not i was not willing to help him , but asked too much than i can for him.

yeah sure i wanted proof, because much of the thing he said is not true.

end story.

<-freedoom flyer->
03-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
TonyTypeS
Key Veteran
Location: New Orleans, LA

I agree with lowflyer101. Joe should have asked for a refund in the first place and not have waited till 2 months later. Who knows what he could have done in that 2 month period.

I'm not on any ones side but if you buy a crashed heli what more do you want. You just can't buy it expecting it to be in perfect ready to fly condition. Jean has sent Joe some parts. OK Joe you can't expect him to replace you all the parts to rebuild the darn heli.

I hope you guys work work everything out so both sides can be happy

Must have more POWER!
Avant FX
Fueled by addiction
03-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
JoeR
Senior Heliman
Location: now in western NY state

I asked for parts or a refund from the first PM after I received the heli. The day I received the helicopter. I received the helicopter on January 23rd and sent a PM. See the text above.

I have tried to lay this out in a clear chronological fashion. He did not purchase or send parts until about two weeks after I received the helicopter. And this was only after I posted on the OCHC thread. It took him nearly a month after I received the helicopter to send the few parts he did, also noted above. (I received the helicopter on January 23rd he did not send his parts until February 20th)

I have never flow the helicopter. Its not airworthy and it has been winter in these parts for the past three months. Its currently disassembled since I wanted to inspect it all. I can take pictures and post them. It is, however, not possible to show bad bearings such as the swashplate.


Sending a few token parts and even sending some broken parts doesn't go very far when the list is so long. Why would you send someone who is already unhappy with a transaction some broken CF frame sides??

Just so everything is clearer here are a couple of PM's before I agreed to buy the helicopter. These were intended to establish the condition of the helicopter.

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JoeR wrote on 01-12-2007 08:04 AM:
Hi lowflyer101

Thanks for the pictures and list of space parts.

Just to be sure.
- The only thing needed get this flying would need a new main gear?
- And to get this back to the original "Pro" version I would need to replace the aluminum side frames (one side only?) with the CF side frames. And I would need to get a new canopy?

The spare blades are wood, fiberglass, or CF? What are the blades that are currently installed on it?

Am I missing anything?

Thanks, Joe

And lowflyer101's response also on 1/12:
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Hi JoeR

yes, you need new main gear/ main shaft and fly

align new maingear will work pic and info here

~~OCHC~~

I guess my warning signals should have gone off because lowflyer101 did not answer every question I asked. Just like now.
03-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
JoeR
Senior Heliman
Location: now in western NY state

As I said in an earlier post, I would be willing to send this to a mediator to determine an outcome.

No response from Lowflyer101 on this proposal.
03-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
JoeR
Senior Heliman
Location: now in western NY state

TonyTypeS, I have crashed helicopters before (too often I think). Everytime I do I tear it down and inspect the parts. Anything damaged is replaced. So its basically like a new heli when rebuilt. Frequently it is better than before the crash because crashes are upgrade opportunities as they say.

Evidently not everyone treats a crashed heli the same way...
03-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
adamasonyx
Heliman
Location: fresno, CA - USA

that's seems a good plan JoeR

if you can't behave, have FUN!
03-26-2007 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
adamasonyx
Heliman
Location: fresno, CA - USA

I would have done the same thing with what JoeR did, attack? or should I say "WARN" other hobbyist with regards to his experience with lowflyer101. Should lowflyer101 respond promptly to JoeR then it would indicate good communication/transaction, however, he didn't. lowflyer101, this is not about your english...

if you can't behave, have FUN!
03-26-2007 Over year old.
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JoeR
Senior Heliman
Location: now in western NY state

Here are some photos of the damaged parts.

There is no way to show all the missing parts.

And no way to show the bad bearings including the swash...


Notice anti-rotation handwork




Notice post mark- Feb 20.


Broken links






Broken landing gear


damaged drive pulley and oneway sleeve
03-27-2007 Over year old.
 
 
adamasonyx
Heliman
Location: fresno, CA - USA

BUMP!
JoeR & lowflyer101, have you come up with an agreement yet?

if you can't behave, have FUN!
04-04-2007 Over year old.
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altima1779
Senior Heliman
Location: Toledo, oh u.s

I do not know either person involved, but i also had a problem with a heli i bought on runryder. There was a picture of the heli but not close enough to notice little problems with the heli. I also asked up front the condition of the heli and i was to assured it was ready to fly. Not even close! it was an evo 50 and it had a raptor 50 swashplate on it, among many other high dollar broken parts.

It is the sellers responsibilty to honestly describe the condition of the heli.

As far as paypal is concerned there stance on the claim in no way states that JoeR claim is invalid. I also had a similar problem with paypal and i called them on the phone and they said that it's not that the claim is not valid it is just the fact that they can not possibly know enough about everything to cover that type of claim. For example some lay person at paypal will not know what a swashplate is or carbon fiber blades.

If you can not come to an agreement than it is possible to file a claim with the IC3, regarding Internet fraud. Which i would think would be a last resort. This was suggested to me by paypal when they could not help in the claim prosses.

You have to start somewhere!
04-05-2007 Over year old.
 
 
JoeR
Senior Heliman
Location: now in western NY state

No word from Lowflyer101. Not that I thought there would be.

If I imagined there was anyway that he would stand behind this transaction I would have never have opened this thread. But it is quite obvious that his intention all along was to try to scam me with this heli. Sure he bought a few token parts but nowhere near what is needed to bring it up to the condition he claimed it was. Nor would he take the heli back for reasons I can't imagine.


altima1779- thanks for the information. I will look into it.
04-11-2007 Over year old.
 
 
adamasonyx
Heliman
Location: fresno, CA - USA

that's a good info altima1779, thanks.

if you can't behave, have FUN!
04-11-2007 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Helikrasher
Veteran
Location: USA

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If you can not come to an agreement than it is possible to file a claim with the IC3, regarding Internet fraud.
That must be one busy place!

HK ... In a world of compromise, some don't.
04-11-2007 Over year old.
 
 
oysifly
Senior Heliman
Location: Bentonville, AR

Unbelievable...............Glad I'm not dealing with this.

Quick...here comes my wife....hide that new Heli !!!!
04-11-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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