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Radio - JR & Spektrum DSM > Why Spectrum TX Module can't use the regular TX antena?
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

Well, its look like the Spectrum modules has got all the RR atention.

I am curious, why the Spectrum module you put on the rear of your TX radio can't use the same telescopic antena your TX already have?

THX,

Isaac

Speed of light is greater than speed of sound. Some people seem very bright until U hear them speak
02-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Markerbeacon
Key Veteran
Location: midwest

Wave length.

-Mark
02-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
freakyreef
Veteran
Location: Kansas usa

There would still be a cable running up to your telescoping ant.. But it would still be connected internally, not sure how it would affect the internal components.

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02-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hpilotrc
Veteran
Location: NY--->>Mooresville, NC USA 8/2005

antenna length.......

The higher the frequency - the shorter the antenna needs to be.

Looking forward to see what Futaba comes up with in the future for the 14mz. Hopefully Futaba planned ahead and knew about this. Since they already are releasing other transmitters you would think they have done some planning.

Michael
02-23-2007 Over year old.
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KCT
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Wave Length as mentioned above as well as cables loss.
With the regular 72MHz TX a plain wire is used for the
antenna connection. This would not work with a 2.4GHz
Frequency, cable & connection losses are very important
and must be care for.

Cheers

Kay


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
02-23-2007 Over year old.
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BlakeMcBrayer
Elite Veteran
Location: Georgetown, Ky

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There would still be a cable running up to your telescoping ant.. But it would still be connected internally, not sure how it would affect the internal components.

My guess is that the pin used by the factory module to connect the module to the internal antenna is not used with the Spektrum module. Rather they route the Rf output to their plug on the back of the module.

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Don't come off the throttle untill you see your GOD!
02-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

You simply don't route the 2.4 GHz signal of the new SS systems using a short piece of wire to a screw that, in turn, is threaded into the bottom of a telecscoping antenna.

The wavelength of your standard 72 MHz signal is on the order of 4 meters -- approximately 12 feet. At 2.4 GHz, the wavelength of the signal is about an 1/8th of a meter, or about 5 inches.

The antenna only needs to be about an inch long to be effective. Here are some pictures showing what's inside that antenna...







The antenna is made from a piece of RG-316 coaxial cable, about 25 mm of the center conductor is exposed, and the outer shield braid of the same length is folded back to form the entire antenna.

The coaxial cable is terminated at the base by what's known as an SMA connector (a very small coaxial RF connector). The transmitter RF module has an SMA mating connector that the antenna screws onto. At frequencies of 2.4 GHz, RF connections are made using coaxial cable or coaxial RF connectors to maintain a proper impedance match between the output section of the RF module and the antenna. The impedance match is important as it minimizes losses in the transmitter section due to signal reflections caused by improper termination of the antenna. You'll note that the pictures showing the antenna mounted externally to the module use RG-316 coaxial cables with SMA connectors. At these frequencies, a simple piece of wire to connect the output of the transmitter to the antenna simply won't work.

Try connecting your TV antenna to the TV using plain old wire instead of the coaxial cable and coaxial F-connectors used on the set. You'll quickly learn what happens to the RF signal when you use poorly matched anntenna couplings at the higher radio frequencies.

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Dave
02-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

I am pretty sure that sooner or later they will release a TX that will have PPM, PCM and 2.4GHz build in. you will only have to select via the program menu as we do today to select PPM or PCM.

Somenthing like this pic, but just two antenas .The TX will have two antenas on top. One telescopic and the short one for 2.4GHz.





Isaac

Speed of light is greater than speed of sound. Some people seem very bright until U hear them speak
02-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.



02-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
martinic
Veteran
Location: NB, Canada

I'm also fairly certain that 2.4 will displace 72MHz in the marketplace.

Transitional products (e.g. Beta to VHS, VHS to DVD) have a limited market.
02-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
LaserGecko
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Well, without diving into an in-depth antenna theory lesson the likes of which I don't want to fathom, basically the length of any antenna needs to match the wave length of the radio frequencies being emitted or received. The more closely the "electrical" length matches the wavelength, the more efficient the transmission of your data and the safer it is for your transmitter. It doesn't have to match exactly, but there are certain ratios that will work (like 1/4, 1/2, or 5/8 wave) almost as well.

We're pretty lucky in RC to only have to deal with a narrow range of frequencies, so our antennas can be "tuned" to the center of the band more precisely. The external antenna on your FM radio isn't so lucky. It has to cover a frequency range of 88-108MHz. That's a whopping 20MHz of difference, so the antenna has to be very "broad" banded. Therefore, it's not as efficient.

(Here's a cool trick. If you have a distant FM station that you want to hear better, build an antenna specifically for that frequency. Divide 468 by the frequency in MHz to get the length of your perfect halfwave vertical antenna. Then, take a piece of coax antenna wire and strip back the insulation and shielding to exactly that length. For 97.1MHz, that length is 4.82 feet. Connect the conductor and shield to the antenna jacks on the back of your stereo and listen to the station BOOM into your radio.)

Higher frequencies have shorter wavelengths, therefore those antennas are shorter. In the ham radio world, we commonly refer to the bands by their wavelength rather than their frequencies. For example, when we talk about "two meters", we know that it's the 144MHz band.

If the antenna doesn't match correctly, part of the radio frequency energy (RF) will be reflected back into the transmitter or away from the receiver. This can be a very bad thing and is called the Standing Wave Ratio or SWR. (You've probably heard that term.)

With higher frequencies, the quality and type of connectors, transmission lines, and antennas becomes even more important since the incredibly low power of the transmitters means even a slight loss can have drastic results. Remember, the only difference between WiFi and your microwave is the power behind the RF energy!


All of the above is subject to correction by those who know more than I do, especially on four hours sleep and a day of playing radio for offroad racers.

Jason
KC0ERG
02-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Here's a short simple one word answer: Physics



02-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
flipped2left
Key Veteran
Location: indianapolis,in.

been using a 2 meter ht antenna on my gasser for 3 yrs. no probs ever!

la la la la I can't hear you! la la la la la
02-25-2007 Over year old.
 
 
helicopter
Senior Heliman
Location: Omaha, Nebraska

Power output question

Do we have any radio experts on the forum?

Q1> What is the power output in milliwatts allowed by the FCC
for the 'old' style 72 megacycle radios on chnls 11-60?

Q2> Same q for these new Spektrum transmitters Power out in mW?













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02-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Markerbeacon
Key Veteran
Location: midwest

750mw for the 72MHz stuff. Don't know about the 2.4GHz stuff/ Anyone?

I do think that once the majority of us are over on 2.4GHz, that the FCC will give or sell our 72MHz freqyencies to someone else. Then all the old stuff will be outdated AND illegal. The down side of moving forward, I guess.

-Mark
02-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jkelly
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL

I doubt it would happen soon but logically speaking, if we all move to 2.4 then we wouldn't need 72. I'd venture to say that it could eventually go away but only if 2.4 and whatever else they come up with becomes dominant.
02-27-2007 Over year old.
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George Matthews
Key Veteran
Location: N.W. Ohio

I really like the new spectrum technology, but I do have some reservations with having the coax connector and cable exposed on the outside of the TX.
I know this is about the only way they could have done this , but it still makes me a bit concerned about snagging it or more than normal wear and tear from daily usage.

George Matthews
Team MRC/Hirobo
Team Wildcat Fuels
RCPrecisionHeli.com
03-01-2007 Over year old.
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Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

Apparently there is a world wide "plastic shortage". What's wrong with putting the antenna on the module something like this ?

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...?&I=LXLZP3&P=ML

Or maybe you guys like that prototype charm.
03-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
George Matthews
Key Veteran
Location: N.W. Ohio

Gee that would seem even more obtrusive as the antenna would get in the way every time you would set the TX flat down on its back.

George Matthews
Team MRC/Hirobo
Team Wildcat Fuels
RCPrecisionHeli.com
03-01-2007 Over year old.
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turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

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Apparently there is a world wide "plastic shortage". What's wrong with putting the antenna on the module something like this ?

Is that the new Viagra Module from a new company in LA?

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
03-02-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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