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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Nope, I'm not saying that at all.

You can fly in a a restricted or Warning area without a COA, if you can get access to one.

If you have to fly a COA in the NAS, the Pilot in Command has to have passed the current Knowledge test (written test) for the private pilot's license, maintain aeronautical knowledge at that level, maintain a 3rd class FAA medical, and maintain 90 days recency of experience. You DO NOT have to be a fully license pilot, yet. You just have to have the knowledge of one.

The sticking point is, the FAA is not issueing COAs to civil use entities, government of public service only can get a COA.

Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
03-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
levelution
Heliman
Location: North GA

Thanks for the reply Eric!

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You can fly in a a restricted or Warning area without a COA, if you can get access to one.

Been spending a little time today checking the FAA documents about restricted and warning areas. I may be wrong, but it looks as though, at least on my side of the USA, these are reserved for military use only. Military use only would then mean that only contractors who have had deals with the military are able to get access to the areas. This completely squashes the start-up enterprises that are just doing a proof of concept with the later intention of being contractor$. Bottom line in my opinion: If you aren't already in the game, you can now forget it thanks to lobbying by those who are already in the game.

Always an optimist I pose this question: Let's say a close relative has a huge farm... I mean HUGE. And between his farm and the next door neighbor's farm there is a nice dirt landing strip no longer used cause the neighbor sold the cub. Can my relative get the first 400' of AGL airspace above his farm declared a restricted area?

This whole thing stinks of rotten politics. It reminds me of how the Georgia general assembly passed a law preventing mail order wine sales to Georgia to protect their local liquor distributor buddies.
03-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

You're way out in left field.

As an employee in such a DoD contractor, I can tell you that the new policy is affecting ALL UAV operators. It's not about lobbying for corporate contracts and all that nonsense you allude to.

We have work to do on vital contracts for both the Army and the US Special OPerations COmmand, however, our own work is stiffled by the fact we have to drive two hours one way to an Air Force Range (Avon Park) just to do 20 minute test flights on small UAVs.

While you are right that the average Joe trying to get into the business has the hardest job now, but it's not because of the people already in the business lobbying for these ridiculous limitations. It would make all our jobs easier if we could just drive down to some local ranch and do our test flights and experiments.

The ringleaders in all this are the chicken littles in the FAA and, I'm agravated to say, the AOPA, of which I have been a member for the past 10 years. They have both gotten their teeth into a local SUAS manufacturer here, named Cyber Defense Systems, because their sale of systems to police departments for civil use. This episode has blown up into a national "UAS crisis" and "Clear and Present Danger" to the flying public. It's a buncha BS, I know. I also know the CEO of Cyber D, and I know what's going on more than the average AP pilot on this forum.

To answer your question, if you have work to do under a federal contract, whether as a prime or sub, you can get access to a military reservation. There is politicing and such involved, but it's your only way in. Also, there will be no civil use COA's issued, but rather only to government entities or representatives.

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
03-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

How is their (CyberD's) case coming/looking?
03-06-2007 Over year old.
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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Like many manufacturers today, they are applying for an Airworthiness Certificate. Their big issue is they produce four variants of their Cyber Bug, and each one will need an A/W.

The FAA can't stop them from selling their systems to anyone, they can only stop them from test flying where they have been in the past. I guess the end result is a stoppage of sales, since you can't sell something you haven't tested.

I don't want to get into specifics, because I don't want to make anyone's life harder than it is already. I guarandamntee you that the hawks in the FAA and AOPA are watching this and other forums to keep an eye on us "airplane killers". However, life is moving forward for both Cyber and their customers. One good thing is that they are a subcontractor under us, and therefore we can fly their stuff at our test range. In fact, we will be building their birds in the near future, while they can focus on sales and R&D.

Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
03-06-2007 Over year old.
 
 
lvspark
Senior Heliman
Location: Walla Walla

You going to be building the cyber-scouts too?
03-22-2007 Over year old.
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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

The Cyber Scout is still just a proof of concept, and there's only one flying prototype. I have no idea if/when then plan to build any more.


Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
03-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
william.estes
Heliman
Location: mesa az

For the fun of it A/P

Greetings,
I enjoy flying heli/plane models and now have a question. Can i legally add and use a camera or videocam to my models for personal use. This would not be for hire but for the fun of it and as informative gifts/freebee's to any one who ask for them.
03-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
aramsdell
Heliman
Location: Sanford, Maine

As a modeler you may take all the pix you want. It's just when you sell them a couple days later that it becomes dangerous.

Should've bought a sim. Got a bucket of used blades!
03-31-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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